Hi everybody,
in the context of our neighborhood's MediaWiki installation (about 100 users) I'm dealing with a problem that probably many MW administrators have faced before: for technical reasons (and my own limitations) I'm not in a position to easily install the Visual Editor and I need to help a very etherogenous group of people understand the philosophy and the advantages of WikiText compared to what they are used to: Microsoft Word or similar.
I feel I might have to install Bluespice, as it seems to have a WYSIWYG editor, but I also feel that would be giving up on the WYSIWYM editor, which is a feature, not a bug.
I found a few texts on the matter, but they all seem to be a bit outdated. They also tend to make no mention about the accessibility concerns that somehow wikitext, among other things, tries to ameliorate.
Can anybody recommend some resources in this context?
Kind regards, Manu
Hi Manu
You mike take a look at the TinyMCE extension https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TinyMCE, which was derived from that in Bluespice as an alternative to Visual Editor. It just provides a WYSIWIG interface to Mediawiki using the popular TinyMCE jvascript editor. It cohabits with the mediawiki editor and you can easily switch between them, disable TinyMCE on given pages or namespaces etc.
Kind regards, Duncan
-----Original Message----- From: MediaWiki-l mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Emanuele D'Arrigo Sent: 22 November 2018 15:13 To: Mediawiki Users List mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [MediaWiki-l] The advantages of Wikitext
Hi everybody,
in the context of our neighborhood's MediaWiki installation (about 100 users) I'm dealing with a problem that probably many MW administrators have faced before: for technical reasons (and my own limitations) I'm not in a position to easily install the Visual Editor and I need to help a very etherogenous group of people understand the philosophy and the advantages of WikiText compared to what they are used to: Microsoft Word or similar.
I feel I might have to install Bluespice, as it seems to have a WYSIWYG editor, but I also feel that would be giving up on the WYSIWYM editor, which is a feature, not a bug.
I found a few texts on the matter, but they all seem to be a bit outdated. They also tend to make no mention about the accessibility concerns that somehow wikitext, among other things, tries to ameliorate.
Can anybody recommend some resources in this context?
Kind regards, Manu _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list To unsubscribe, go to: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Hi Duncan, thank you for your reply.
I seem to remember I installed TinyMCE 1-2 years ago and it corrupted some pages, in the sense that it saved them with plenty of html tags. Is it what it does under the hood? Does it save pages as html? Or is it really a WYSIWYG editor on top of WikiText?
I might be mistaken though: I remember having problems installing it but I don't remember what problems exactly. I could certainly try again as long as it doesn't save the pages as html.
Kind regards,
Manu
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 17:45, duncan.crane@aoxomoxoa.co.uk wrote:
Hi Manu
You mike take a look at the TinyMCE extension https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TinyMCE, which was derived from that in Bluespice as an alternative to Visual Editor. It just provides a WYSIWIG interface to Mediawiki using the popular TinyMCE jvascript editor. It cohabits with the mediawiki editor and you can easily switch between them, disable TinyMCE on given pages or namespaces etc.
Kind regards, Duncan
-----Original Message----- From: MediaWiki-l mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Emanuele D'Arrigo Sent: 22 November 2018 15:13 To: Mediawiki Users List mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [MediaWiki-l] The advantages of Wikitext
Hi everybody,
in the context of our neighborhood's MediaWiki installation (about 100 users) I'm dealing with a problem that probably many MW administrators have faced before: for technical reasons (and my own limitations) I'm not in a position to easily install the Visual Editor and I need to help a very etherogenous group of people understand the philosophy and the advantages of WikiText compared to what they are used to: Microsoft Word or similar.
I feel I might have to install Bluespice, as it seems to have a WYSIWYG editor, but I also feel that would be giving up on the WYSIWYM editor, which is a feature, not a bug.
I found a few texts on the matter, but they all seem to be a bit outdated. They also tend to make no mention about the accessibility concerns that somehow wikitext, among other things, tries to ameliorate.
Can anybody recommend some resources in this context?
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Hi Manu
The TinyMCE extension is a WYSIWIG editor on WikiText.
It sounds like you tried quite an early version so hopefully things have improved a lot since then! Please do try again as it is meant to process WikiText and save in WikiText. There is also now some more detail on the extension page on how to install, configure and use it.
You may still come across the odd problem as WikiText can have a few quirks 😉 If you do come across behaviour that isn't what you expect, then please do let us have the details (eg version numbers and the WikiText that is causing the problem) and we will try to sort it out.
We really appreciate those who do try it as this allows us to keep improving it.
Kind regards
Duncan
-----Original Message----- From: MediaWiki-l mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Emanuele D'Arrigo Sent: 23 November 2018 22:24 To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] The advantages of Wikitext
Hi Duncan, thank you for your reply.
I seem to remember I installed TinyMCE 1-2 years ago and it corrupted some pages, in the sense that it saved them with plenty of html tags. Is it what it does under the hood? Does it save pages as html? Or is it really a WYSIWYG editor on top of WikiText?
I might be mistaken though: I remember having problems installing it but I don't remember what problems exactly. I could certainly try again as long as it doesn't save the pages as html.
Kind regards,
Manu
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 17:45, duncan.crane@aoxomoxoa.co.uk wrote:
Hi Manu
You mike take a look at the TinyMCE extension https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TinyMCE, which was derived from that in Bluespice as an alternative to Visual Editor. It just provides a WYSIWIG interface to Mediawiki using the popular TinyMCE jvascript editor. It cohabits with the mediawiki editor and you can easily switch between them, disable TinyMCE on given pages or namespaces etc.
Kind regards, Duncan
-----Original Message----- From: MediaWiki-l mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Emanuele D'Arrigo Sent: 22 November 2018 15:13 To: Mediawiki Users List mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [MediaWiki-l] The advantages of Wikitext
Hi everybody,
in the context of our neighborhood's MediaWiki installation (about 100 users) I'm dealing with a problem that probably many MW administrators have faced before: for technical reasons (and my own limitations) I'm not in a position to easily install the Visual Editor and I need to help a very etherogenous group of people understand the philosophy and the advantages of WikiText compared to what they are used to: Microsoft Word or similar.
I feel I might have to install Bluespice, as it seems to have a WYSIWYG editor, but I also feel that would be giving up on the WYSIWYM editor, which is a feature, not a bug.
I found a few texts on the matter, but they all seem to be a bit outdated. They also tend to make no mention about the accessibility concerns that somehow wikitext, among other things, tries to ameliorate.
Can anybody recommend some resources in this context?
Kind regards, Manu _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list To unsubscribe, go to: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
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On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 3:15 AM <duncan.crane@aoxomoxoa.co.uk wrote:
Hi Manu
The TinyMCE extension is a WYSIWIG editor on WikiText.
It sounds like you tried quite an early version so hopefully things have improved a lot since then! Please do try again as it is meant to process WikiText and save in WikiText. There is also now some more detail on the extension page on how to install, configure and use it.
You may still come across the odd problem as WikiText can have a few quirks 😉 If you do come across behaviour that isn't what you expect, then please do let us have the details (eg version numbers and the WikiText that is causing the problem) and we will try to sort it out.
We really appreciate those who do try it as this allows us to keep improving it.
Kind regards
Duncan
-----Original Message----- From: MediaWiki-l mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Emanuele D'Arrigo Sent: 23 November 2018 22:24 To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list < mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] The advantages of Wikitext
Hi Duncan, thank you for your reply.
I seem to remember I installed TinyMCE 1-2 years ago and it corrupted some pages, in the sense that it saved them with plenty of html tags. Is it what it does under the hood? Does it save pages as html? Or is it really a WYSIWYG editor on top of WikiText?
I might be mistaken though: I remember having problems installing it but I don't remember what problems exactly. I could certainly try again as long as it doesn't save the pages as html.
Kind regards,
Manu
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 17:45, duncan.crane@aoxomoxoa.co.uk wrote:
Hi Manu
You mike take a look at the TinyMCE extension https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TinyMCE, which was derived from that in Bluespice as an alternative to Visual Editor. It just provides a WYSIWIG interface to Mediawiki using the popular TinyMCE
jvascript editor.
It cohabits with the mediawiki editor and you can easily switch between them, disable TinyMCE on given pages or namespaces etc.
Kind regards, Duncan
-----Original Message----- From: MediaWiki-l mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Emanuele D'Arrigo Sent: 22 November 2018 15:13 To: Mediawiki Users List mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [MediaWiki-l] The advantages of Wikitext
Hi everybody,
in the context of our neighborhood's MediaWiki installation (about 100 users) I'm dealing with a problem that probably many MW administrators have faced before: for technical reasons (and my own limitations) I'm not in a position to easily install the Visual Editor and I need to help a very etherogenous group of people understand the philosophy and the advantages of WikiText compared to what they are used to: Microsoft
Word or similar.
I feel I might have to install Bluespice, as it seems to have a WYSIWYG editor, but I also feel that would be giving up on the WYSIWYM editor, which is a feature, not a bug.
I found a few texts on the matter, but they all seem to be a bit
outdated.
They also tend to make no mention about the accessibility concerns that somehow wikitext, among other things, tries to ameliorate.
Can anybody recommend some resources in this context?
Kind regards, Manu _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list To unsubscribe, go to: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
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