Peter Blaise wrote: Thanks ... I'm not sure what you mean, though. "... include the Wikipedia: namespace in the search..." by doing what?
Someone responded: ... If you're going to set up a MediaWiki site, then the first thing you have to do is get familiar with using MediaWiki ...
Peter Blaise responds: Oh? How so? After using Wikipedia for a while now, I built one on my own and have ~1/2 a million words in ~4,500 [Edit]able paragraphs ... <smarta** on> what was the *first* thing I should do, again? </smarta** off> Seriously, Ian, I think most people read as much as they can find and believe they need to get started, then troubleshoot anything that needs attention from there. Sadly, by teaching ourselves, we can hardly be expected to get smarter than our masters. ;-) So, without a thorough and complete instruction manual based on successful, and unsuccessful, experience, how would anyone even know to think about, say, "categories" or user hierarchies before implementing a Wiki? Just one example.
Someone responded further: ... In Wikipedia, if you click the button marked "Search", it will take you to a page that explains all about searching -- including how to search specific namespaces ...
Oh really?!? Here's the entire screen contents when following your instructions:
===== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=&fulltext=Search Search
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For more information about searching Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Searching =====
Thanks! ... but ... that's not only not what you promised, but it's not what I asked! But, let's just suppose it's merely sloppy documentation on your part. Let me type "search" in the search box and search for that ... (Does anyone want to explain the difference between the [GO] button and the [Search] button underneath the [__________] search window, by the way?)
===== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search Searching
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wikibooks has more about this subject: How to search Look up search, searching in Wiktionary, the free dictionary. For searching in Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Searching. Searching is to thoroughly examine in order to find something concealed. Web searching benefits from specific techniques, which are detailed in the search engine article (see also: list of search engines). An online search engine is any device that allows the user to quickly search and view multiple online articles/websites. Searching can also refer to the following: Computers and computer science Search algorithm Boolean search Tree search Search engine Social Search Web directory Rescue related Air-sea rescue Missing people Search and rescue dog Military and police related Search and seizure Detection dog Strip search Search warrant Entertainment The Search (1948 film) The Search (DS9 episode) Search (TV series) Other Seeker Job search Search for Common Ground Novelty search (in patent law) Visual search, a type of perceptual task =====
Hmm ... nothing there about "namespace". Maybe there's another trick. Let's go back to the first tip and wander around there ... oh, there's a "Wikipedia:Searching" link, let's try that:
===== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Searching Wikipedia:Searching
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...[snip 499 words] ... Namespaces searched by default The search only applies to the namespaces selected in the user's preferences. To search the other namespaces check or uncheck the tickboxes in "Search in namespaces" box found at the bottom of a search results page. Depending on the browser, a box may still be checked from a previous search, but without being effective any longer! To make sure, uncheck and recheck it. Searching the image namespace means searching the image descriptions, i.e. the first parts of the image description pages. ... [snip 605 words] ... Google indexes all namespaces ... [snip 1,478 words] ... =====
Oh, is that what you mean? "The search only applies to the namespaces selected in the user's preferences." ...so, if I'm not a logged in user, what default preferences are used for namespace searches? Oh, that's not in this page ...
Peter Blaise wrote: How do you create an admin or sysops after the Wiki's built?
Someone responded: Have the person create a user ID, then edit the user's privileges in Special:Userrights.
Thanks! Lemme try:
===== http://localhost/mediawiki/index.php/Special:Userrights Permission error The action you have requested is limited to users in the group "Bureaucrats". Return to Main Page. =====
Argh!
- Peter Blaise
Hello Peter Blaise,
When you installed the wiki you should have set up a default user. That user has admin privileges.
If you did not install the wiki, do you have shell access to the server? If you do, then run `php maintenance/createAndPromote.php ##username## ##password##`
(replaceing ##username## with your desired username, and ##password## with your desired password)
I hope that this helps, and let me know if you have any other questions.
Kasimir
On 4/11/07, Monahon, Peter B. Peter.Monahon@uspto.gov wrote:
Peter Blaise wrote: Thanks ... I'm not sure what you mean, though. "... include the Wikipedia: namespace in the search..." by doing what?
Someone responded: ... If you're going to set up a MediaWiki site, then the first thing you have to do is get familiar with using MediaWiki ...
Peter Blaise responds: Oh? How so? After using Wikipedia for a while now, I built one on my own and have ~1/2 a million words in ~4,500 [Edit]able paragraphs ... <smarta** on> what was the *first* thing I should do, again? </smarta** off> Seriously, Ian, I think most people read as much as they can find and believe they need to get started, then troubleshoot anything that needs attention from there. Sadly, by teaching ourselves, we can hardly be expected to get smarter than our masters. ;-) So, without a thorough and complete instruction manual based on successful, and unsuccessful, experience, how would anyone even know to think about, say, "categories" or user hierarchies before implementing a Wiki? Just one example.
Someone responded further: ... In Wikipedia, if you click the button marked "Search", it will take you to a page that explains all about searching -- including how to search specific namespaces ...
Oh really?!? Here's the entire screen contents when following your instructions:
===== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=&fulltext=Search Search From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia For more information about searching Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Searching =====
Thanks! ... but ... that's not only not what you promised, but it's not what I asked! But, let's just suppose it's merely sloppy documentation on your part. Let me type "search" in the search box and search for that ... (Does anyone want to explain the difference between the [GO] button and the [Search] button underneath the [__________] search window, by the way?)
===== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search Searching From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Wikibooks has more about this subject: How to search Look up search, searching in Wiktionary, the free dictionary. For searching in Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Searching. Searching is to thoroughly examine in order to find something concealed. Web searching benefits from specific techniques, which are detailed in the search engine article (see also: list of search engines). An online search engine is any device that allows the user to quickly search and view multiple online articles/websites. Searching can also refer to the following: Computers and computer science Search algorithm Boolean search Tree search Search engine Social Search Web directory Rescue related Air-sea rescue Missing people Search and rescue dog Military and police related Search and seizure Detection dog Strip search Search warrant Entertainment The Search (1948 film) The Search (DS9 episode) Search (TV series) Other Seeker Job search Search for Common Ground Novelty search (in patent law) Visual search, a type of perceptual task =====
Hmm ... nothing there about "namespace". Maybe there's another trick. Let's go back to the first tip and wander around there ... oh, there's a "Wikipedia:Searching" link, let's try that:
===== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Searching Wikipedia:Searching From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ...[snip 499 words] ... Namespaces searched by default The search only applies to the namespaces selected in the user's preferences. To search the other namespaces check or uncheck the tickboxes in "Search in namespaces" box found at the bottom of a search results page. Depending on the browser, a box may still be checked from a previous search, but without being effective any longer! To make sure, uncheck and recheck it. Searching the image namespace means searching the image descriptions, i.e. the first parts of the image description pages. ... [snip 605 words] ... Google indexes all namespaces ... [snip 1,478 words] ... =====
Oh, is that what you mean? "The search only applies to the namespaces selected in the user's preferences." ...so, if I'm not a logged in user, what default preferences are used for namespace searches? Oh, that's not in this page ...
Peter Blaise wrote: How do you create an admin or sysops after the Wiki's built?
Someone responded: Have the person create a user ID, then edit the user's privileges in Special:Userrights.
Thanks! Lemme try:
===== http://localhost/mediawiki/index.php/Special:Userrights Permission error The action you have requested is limited to users in the group "Bureaucrats". Return to Main Page. =====
Argh!
- Peter Blaise
MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Rob Church said earlier you would need to be logged-in as the bureaucrat user you created during installation to do anything at Special:Userrights.
The Search button searches the wiki for the search string you enter whereas the Go button takes you directly to the page that has the name of the string you entered, if it exists.
On 11/04/07, Monahon, Peter B. Peter.Monahon@uspto.gov wrote:
Peter Blaise wrote: Thanks ... I'm not sure what you mean, though. "... include the Wikipedia: namespace in the search..." by doing what?
Someone responded: ... If you're going to set up a MediaWiki site, then the first thing you have to do is get familiar with using MediaWiki ...
Peter Blaise responds: Oh? How so? After using Wikipedia for a while now, I built one on my own and have ~1/2 a million words in ~4,500 [Edit]able paragraphs ... <smarta** on> what was the *first* thing I should do, again? </smarta** off> Seriously, Ian, I think most people read as much as they can find and believe they need to get started, then troubleshoot anything that needs attention from there. Sadly, by teaching ourselves, we can hardly be expected to get smarter than our masters. ;-) So, without a thorough and complete instruction manual based on successful, and unsuccessful, experience, how would anyone even know to think about, say, "categories" or user hierarchies before implementing a Wiki? Just one example.
Someone responded further: ... In Wikipedia, if you click the button marked "Search", it will take you to a page that explains all about searching -- including how to search specific namespaces ...
Oh really?!? Here's the entire screen contents when following your instructions:
===== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=&fulltext=Search Search From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia For more information about searching Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Searching =====
Thanks! ... but ... that's not only not what you promised, but it's not what I asked! But, let's just suppose it's merely sloppy documentation on your part. Let me type "search" in the search box and search for that ... (Does anyone want to explain the difference between the [GO] button and the [Search] button underneath the [__________] search window, by the way?)
===== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search Searching From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Wikibooks has more about this subject: How to search Look up search, searching in Wiktionary, the free dictionary. For searching in Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Searching. Searching is to thoroughly examine in order to find something concealed. Web searching benefits from specific techniques, which are detailed in the search engine article (see also: list of search engines). An online search engine is any device that allows the user to quickly search and view multiple online articles/websites. Searching can also refer to the following: Computers and computer science Search algorithm Boolean search Tree search Search engine Social Search Web directory Rescue related Air-sea rescue Missing people Search and rescue dog Military and police related Search and seizure Detection dog Strip search Search warrant Entertainment The Search (1948 film) The Search (DS9 episode) Search (TV series) Other Seeker Job search Search for Common Ground Novelty search (in patent law) Visual search, a type of perceptual task =====
Hmm ... nothing there about "namespace". Maybe there's another trick. Let's go back to the first tip and wander around there ... oh, there's a "Wikipedia:Searching" link, let's try that:
===== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Searching Wikipedia:Searching From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ...[snip 499 words] ... Namespaces searched by default The search only applies to the namespaces selected in the user's preferences. To search the other namespaces check or uncheck the tickboxes in "Search in namespaces" box found at the bottom of a search results page. Depending on the browser, a box may still be checked from a previous search, but without being effective any longer! To make sure, uncheck and recheck it. Searching the image namespace means searching the image descriptions, i.e. the first parts of the image description pages. ... [snip 605 words] ... Google indexes all namespaces ... [snip 1,478 words] ... =====
Oh, is that what you mean? "The search only applies to the namespaces selected in the user's preferences." ...so, if I'm not a logged in user, what default preferences are used for namespace searches? Oh, that's not in this page ...
Peter Blaise wrote: How do you create an admin or sysops after the Wiki's built?
Someone responded: Have the person create a user ID, then edit the user's privileges in Special:Userrights.
Thanks! Lemme try:
===== http://localhost/mediawiki/index.php/Special:Userrights Permission error The action you have requested is limited to users in the group "Bureaucrats". Return to Main Page. =====
Argh!
- Peter Blaise
MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Monahon, Peter B. wrote:
Peter Blaise responds: Oh? How so? After using Wikipedia for a while now, I built one on my own and have ~1/2 a million words in ~4,500 [Edit]able paragraphs ... <smarta** on> what was the *first* thing I should do, again? </smarta** off> Seriously, Ian, I think most people read as much as they can find and believe they need to get started, then troubleshoot anything that needs attention from there. Sadly, by teaching ourselves, we can hardly be expected to get smarter than our masters. ;-)
With all due respect, you're bordering on obtuse.
There are other forums besides this mailing list. You can find other "teachers" there easily enough. I found some by googling "mediawiki forum". There are lots of folks that have the same basic problems and others who help out.
Many of us have walked the same road you're on and found our way without seeming to be offensive or demanding. While I know that you're not likely to find what you want on the first attempt, learning to use google or another search engine and perusing the wiki docs online plus the various fora will eventually produce results. If it didn't there'd only be one Mediawiki installation in the world.
(Does anyone want to explain the difference between the [GO] button and the [Search] button underneath the [__________] search window, by the way?)
From my wiki: http://en.kayakwiki.org/index.php/KayakWiki:Searching
Mike
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