Jutta von Dincklage wrote:

Have you set up the required template on your wiki? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_book

No, I was missing that. So, I go there and it tells me how to use that particular template. I have an idea from the next link how a template works. However, being new to mediawiki, I'm not sure yet, how to actually set up a template that would make those things happen like they do on wikipedia, when you cite a book for example. I was hoping that some templates, for consistency, already existed, and so I'd be able to ensure that the templates I use match the citation templates used on wikipedia. Thanks, Bruce

Useful links:

Wikipedia help menu - Templates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Template

Wikipedia help menu - citation templates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_templates

-----Original Message----- From: mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of B. M. Whealton Sent: Monday, 13 September 2010 1:31 PM To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Subject: [Mediawiki-l] Cite Books

Hello all, I added the Cite extension. However, on wikipedia there are ways that you can use formatting that tells it to cite a book or cite webpage. For example, I can start with <ref>{{cite book | last1 = Whealton | first1 = Bruce | title = test | editors = smith, mary; jones, jean; smith, sam | publisher = Publisher | date = 2010 | pages = 100 | accessdate = 2010-09-13}}</ref> Doing that on my wiki shows that it doesn't recognize the cite book and the {}. How is this accomplished? Thanks, Bruce

Eww, Use [[special:export]] and [[special:import]] instead of copying pasting... -Peachey

B. M. Whealton wrote:

I created the page Template:Cite_book I went here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cite_book and tried View Source, and copies that into the new page I created, as that was what the documentation said to do, create the Template like creating an article. It wasn't happy with that at all. When I then tried to use {{cite book}} it replaced that with a whole bunch of content. I didn't see how to get to Special:Export for that particular page. Will it give me something different? No, I just tried that. I entered the page that I wanted exported: Template:Cite_book and it did create an export file. I then imported it to my wiki and tried to use {{cite book}} and got a whole mess of characters showing up that was a mess. I'm doing something wrong. I cannot even find the pages that I uploaded. They don't show up on all pages when I go there from Special pages on my wiki. Bruce

Go to Special:Export, and export the template choosing to also export any templates used by this page. Also make sure you have installed ParserFunctions extension http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions

PS: Please create a new thread when opening a new topic (use a new email instead of replying).

Hi Bruce, it sounds interesting! See http://sextapoetica.com.br It is a poetry wiki from Wikimedia Brasil, the brasilian WMF chapter. What's your wiki url? Hugs

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Em 13/09/2010, às 03:41, Bruce Whealton bwhealton@futurewavedesigns.com escreveu:

Hello all, Ok, if I start encouraging people to create articles, they will want to see that their articles can be found and read by others. I added a box from the CreateArticle extension, which makes it easy to create a new article. The problem is that for people who aren't sold on wiki's yet, in my community of users, they won't see the new article showing up as a link or anything. When you go to the front page you don't have any kind of link that shows every page. Should I add a link that shows the most recent pages? I know that ideally new pages are linked to from other pages. With the CreateArticle extension that won't happen, necessarily. One just creates a new article. What's a best practice for sharing all the pages/articles that are part of a wiki site? For a new site, it is reasonable to show every single page for a while, until that list gets too long. I do need to learn more about Categories... but I'm not even sure if the intention is to create some kind of list, like a menu, or list of links that include all the pages in a category... and if that is even the case, if a user creates a page but doesn't put it in a category it won't show up in any listing by category. Sure, you might show all uncategorized articles but that will eventually become less useful as the list grows. Tips, suggestions, guidance, please? This has been confusing me for some time... I have a poetry site and thought it would be cool to have a wiki about words, language, communication, writing and meaning. I need to be able to think in terms of how wikis present users with information about all the articles in a site. Thanks in advance for any help, Bruce

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If you click on 'view source' (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cite_book&action=edit ), you can see the wiki markup of this template. Wikipedia's wiki markup for the template is

{{Citation/core |Citation class=book |AuthorMask = {{{authormask|{{{author-mask|}}}}}} |Surname1 = {{{last|{{{surname|{{{last1|{{{surname1|{{{author1|{{{author|{{{authors|{{{author|}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} |Surname2 = {{{last2|{{{surname2|{{{author2|}}}}}}}}} |Surname3 = {{{last3|{{{surname3|{{{author3|}}}}}}}}} |Surname4 = {{{last4|{{{surname4|{{{author4|}}}}}}}}} |Surname5 = {{{last5|{{{surname5|{{{author5|}}}}}}}}} |Surname6 = {{{last6|{{{surname6|{{{author6|}}}}}}}}} |Surname7 = {{{last7|{{{surname7|{{{author7|}}}}}}}}} |Surname8 = {{{last8|{{{surname8|{{{author8|}}}}}}}}} |Surname9 = {{{last9|{{{surname9|{{{author9|}}}}}}}}} |Given1 = {{{first1|{{{given1|{{{first|{{{given|}}}}}}}}}}}}

|Given2 = {{{first2|{{{given2|}}}}}} |Given3 = {{{first3|{{{given3|}}}}}} |Given4 = {{{first4|{{{given4|}}}}}} |Given5 = {{{first5|{{{given5|}}}}}} |Given6 = {{{first6|{{{given6|}}}}}} |Given7 = {{{first7|{{{given7|}}}}}} |Given8 = {{{first8|{{{given8|}}}}}} |Given9 = {{{first9|{{{given9|}}}}}} |Authorlink1 = {{{author-link|{{{author1-link|{{{authorlink|{{{authorlink1|}}}}}}}}}}}} |Authorlink2 = {{{author2-link|{{{authorlink2|}}}}}} |Authorlink3 = {{{author3-link|{{{authorlink3|}}}}}} |Authorlink4 = {{{author4-link|{{{authorlink4|}}}}}} |Authorlink5 = {{{author5-link|{{{authorlink5|}}}}}} |Authorlink6 = {{{author6-link|{{{authorlink6|}}}}}} |Authorlink7 = {{{author7-link|{{{authorlink7|}}}}}} |Authorlink8 = {{{author8-link|{{{authorlink8|}}}}}} |Authorlink9 = {{{author9-link|{{{authorlink9|}}}}}} |Coauthors = {{{coauthor|{{{coauthors|}}}}}} |Year={{{year|{{ <!-- attempt to derive year from date, if possible --> #if: {{{date|}}} |{{ #iferror:{{#time:Y|{{{date|}}} }} |{{#iferror:{{#time:Y|{{{publication-date|einval}}} }}||{{#time:Y|{{{publication-date|}}} }}}} |{{#time:Y|{{{date|}}} }} }} |{{{publication-date|}}} <!-- last resort --> }} }}} |YearNote = {{{origyear|}}} |Date = {{#if:{{{date|}}}|{{{date}}}|{{{day|}}} {{{month|}}} {{{year|{{{publication-date|}}}}}}}} |Title={{{title|}}} |TransTitle={{{trans_chapter|}}} |TransItalic={{{trans_title|}}} |URL={{#if:{{{archiveurl|}}}|{{{archiveurl|}}}|{{{url|}}}}} |ArchiveURL = {{{archiveurl|}}} |OriginalURL = {{{url|}}} |ArchiveDate= {{{archivedate|}}} |TitleType={{{type|}}} |Series={{{series|}}} |Volume = {{{volume|}}} |Issue = {{{issue|{{{number|}}}}}} |At = {{ #if: {{{journal|{{{periodical|{{{newspaper|{{{magazine|}}}}}}}}}}}} |{{{pages|{{{page|{{{at|}}}}}}}}} |{{ #if: {{{page|}}} |{{#if:{{{nopp|}}}||p.&nbsp;}}{{{page}}} |{{ #if: {{{pages|}}} |{{#if:{{{nopp|}}}||pp.&nbsp;}}{{{pages}}} |{{{at|}}} }} }} }} |IncludedWorkTitle = {{{chapter|{{{contribution|}}}}}} |IncludedWorkURL = {{{chapter-url|{{{chapterurl|{{{contribution-url|}}}}}}}}} |Other = {{{others|}}} |Edition = {{{edition|}}} |Place = {{{place|{{{location|}}}}}} |PublicationPlace = {{{publication-place|{{{place|{{{location|}}}}}}}}} |Publisher = {{{publisher|}}} |PublicationDate = {{{publication-date|}}} |EditorSurname1 = {{{editor-last|{{{editor-surname|{{{editor1-last|{{{editor1-surname|{{{editor|{{{editors|}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} |EditorSurname2 = {{{editor2-last|{{{editor2-surname|}}}}}} |EditorSurname3 = {{{editor3-last|{{{editor3-surname|}}}}}} |EditorSurname4 = {{{editor4-last|{{{editor4-surname|}}}}}} |EditorGiven1 = {{{editor-first|{{{editor-given|{{{editor1-first|{{{editor1-given|}}}}}}}}}}}} |EditorGiven2={{{editor2-first|{{{editor2-given|}}}}}} |EditorGiven3={{{editor3-first|{{{editor3-given|}}}}}} |EditorGiven4={{{editor4-first|{{{editor4-given|}}}}}} |Editorlink1={{{editor-link|{{{editor1-link|}}}}}} |Editorlink2={{{editor2-link|}}} |Editorlink3={{{editor3-link|}}} |Editorlink4={{{editor4-link|}}} |language = {{{language|{{{in|}}}}}} |format = {{{format|}}} |ID={{{id|{{{ID|}}}}}} |ISBN={{{isbn|{{{ISBN|}}}}}} |OCLC={{{oclc|{{{OCLC|}}}}}} |Bibcode={{{bibcode|}}} |DOI={{{doi|{{{DOI|}}}}}} |DoiBroken={{{doi_brokendate|}}} |AccessDate={{{access-date|{{{accessdate|}}}}}} |DateFormat={{{dateformat|none}}} |quote = {{{quote|}}} |laysummary = {{{laysummary|}}} |laydate = {{{laydate|}}} |Ref={{{ref|}}} |Sep = {{{separator|{{{seperator|.}}}}}} |PS = {{#if:{{{quote|}}}||{{{postscript|.}}}}} |AuthorSep = {{#ifeq:{{{author-separator|}}}|;|&#059;|{{{author-separator|&#059;}}}}}&#32; |NameSep = {{{author-name-separator|,}}}&#32; |Trunc = {{{display-authors|8}}} |amp = {{{lastauthoramp|}}} }}{{#if:{{{accessdaymonth|}}}{{{accessmonthday|}}}{{{accessday|}}}{{{accessmonth|}}}{{{accessyear|}}}{{{day|}}}{{{access-date|}}}{{{dateformat|}}}|[[Category:Pages containing cite templates with deprecated parameters|{{NAMESPACE}} {{PAGENAME}}]]}}

Wikipedia's template documentation (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cite_book ) tells you how to use it.

-----Original Message----- From: mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of B. M. Whealton Sent: Monday, 13 September 2010 2:25 PM To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Cite Books

Jutta von Dincklage wrote:

Have you set up the required template on your wiki? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_book

No, I was missing that. So, I go there and it tells me how to use that particular template. I have an idea from the next link how a template works. However, being new to mediawiki, I'm not sure yet, how to actually set up a template that would make those things happen like they do on wikipedia, when you cite a book for example. I was hoping that some templates, for consistency, already existed, and so I'd be able to ensure that the templates I use match the citation templates used on wikipedia. Thanks, Bruce

Useful links:

Wikipedia help menu - Templates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Template

Wikipedia help menu - citation templates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_templates

-----Original Message----- From: mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of B. M. Whealton Sent: Monday, 13 September 2010 1:31 PM To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Subject: [Mediawiki-l] Cite Books

Hello all, I added the Cite extension. However, on wikipedia there are ways that you can use formatting that tells it to cite a book or cite webpage. For example, I can start with <ref>{{cite book | last1 = Whealton | first1 = Bruce | title = test | editors = smith, mary; jones, jean; smith, sam | publisher = Publisher | date = 2010 | pages = 100 | accessdate = 2010-09-13}}</ref> Doing that on my wiki shows that it doesn't recognize the cite book and the {}. How is this accomplished? Thanks, Bruce

Sorry if this is insulting, but just to make sure:

You write <references/> at some point to display the footnotes, don't you? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Haim (Howard) Roman Computer Center, Jerusalem College of Technology Phone: 052-8-592-599 (6022 from within Machon Lev)

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 05:30, B. M. Whealton < bwhealton@futurewavedesigns.com> wrote:

Hello all, I added the Cite extension. However, on wikipedia there are ways that you can use formatting that tells it to cite a book or cite webpage. For example, I can start with <ref>{{cite book | last1 = Whealton | first1 = Bruce | title = test | editors = smith, mary; jones, jean; smith, sam | publisher = Publisher | date = 2010 | pages = 100 | accessdate = 2010-09-13}}</ref> Doing that on my wiki shows that it doesn't recognize the cite book and the {}. How is this accomplished? Thanks, Bruce --

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