Hi,
Red links are very difficult to read and new wikis are full of them. I suggest to make red links appear in black by default.
Quoting NSK, from the post of Sun, 31 Oct:
Hi,
Red links are very difficult to read and new wikis are full of them. I suggest to make red links appear in black by default.
how about dark red? my newbies are having difficulties undestanding the concept of participating in site expansion, and the multicoloured links are still somewhat of a puzzle for a few of them, but I think black links in black text could mean the end of the website and little or no further development unless I do it all myself.
The problem is rather that color blind people cannot see them links if they are red colored unless they are underlined. Maybe wikipedia chooses a more accessible color for them?
--tictric
Quoting NSK, from the post of Sun, 31 Oct:
Hi,
Red links are very difficult to read and new wikis are full of them. I suggest to make red links appear in black by default.
how about dark red? my newbies are having difficulties undestanding the concept of participating in site expansion, and the multicoloured links are still somewhat of a puzzle for a few of them, but I think black links in black text could mean the end of the website and little or no further development unless I do it all myself.
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:59:03PM +0100, tic@tictric.net wrote:
The problem is rather that color blind people cannot see them links if they are red colored unless they are underlined. Maybe wikipedia chooses a more accessible color for them?
I am very sure that those have their browser to use their own color-sheme and overwrite the site's CSS.
ciao, tom
On Sunday 31 October 2004 21:02, Thomas R. Koll wrote:
I am very sure that those have their browser to use their own color-sheme and overwrite the site's CSS.
And what if they don't know how to customise their browser or if they have to use someone else's computer such as a library or university's PC or even a netbar?
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:13:14 +0200, NSK nsk2@wikinerds.org wrote:
On Sunday 31 October 2004 21:02, Thomas R. Koll wrote:
I am very sure that those have their browser to use their own color-sheme and overwrite the site's CSS.
And what if they don't know how to customise their browser or if they have to use someone else's computer such as a library or university's PC or even a netbar?
It's already been discussed and voted upon. If you wish it to change, you'll have to have enough support to overcome the last vote.
Am Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:02:41 +0100 hat Thomas R. Koll tomk32@gmx.de geschrieben:
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:59:03PM +0100, tic@tictric.net wrote:
The problem is rather that color blind people cannot see them links if they are red colored unless they are underlined. Maybe wikipedia chooses a more accessible color for them?
I am very sure that those have their browser to use their own color-sheme and overwrite the site's CSS.
Is there any colorblind around that can confirm that it's not being troublesome having to adapt their browser to every weird (well that wikipedia actually not is :-) ) homepage there is?
--tic
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:23:14 +0100, tic@tictric.net tic@tictric.net wrote:
Am Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:02:41 +0100 hat Thomas R. Koll tomk32@gmx.de geschrieben:
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:59:03PM +0100, tic@tictric.net wrote:
The problem is rather that color blind people cannot see them links if they are red colored unless they are underlined. Maybe wikipedia chooses a more accessible color for them?
I am very sure that those have their browser to use their own color-sheme and overwrite the site's CSS.
Is there any colorblind around that can confirm that it's not being troublesome having to adapt their browser to every weird (well that wikipedia actually not is :-) ) homepage there is?
They don't have to adapt their browser, they just have to set their monobook.css appropriately (a.new { color:#XXXXXX; }).
Thomas R. Koll wrote:
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:59:03PM +0100, tic@tictric.net wrote:
The problem is rather that color blind people cannot see them links if they are red colored unless they are underlined. Maybe wikipedia chooses a more accessible color for them?
I am very sure that those have their browser to use their own color-sheme and overwrite the site's CSS.
ciao, tom
That's how colorblind people do it. Same for people that have visual deficience (big bold white fonts on a dark background).
On Sunday 31 October 2004 20:59, tic@tictric.net wrote:
The problem is rather that color blind people cannot see them links if
I think it's evident that the colour of the links must change. I think Fred Bauder's decision to make the links green in http://www.wikinfo.org is great. Why not implement the same in Wikipedia and MediaWiki 1.3.8, too?
NSK wrote:
On Sunday 31 October 2004 20:59, tic@tictric.net wrote:
The problem is rather that color blind people cannot see them links if
I think it's evident that the colour of the links must change. I think Fred Bauder's decision to make the links green in http://www.wikinfo.org is great. Why not implement the same in Wikipedia and MediaWiki 1.3.8, too?
NSK,
MediaWiki is build mainly for Wikipedia usage, it just happen that other website admins use it for other purposes (such as Fred Bauder or yourself).
Most developpers of MediaWiki are also in charge of the maintenance of the 350+ wikis run for the WikiMedia foundation, so we basicly want the software to be configured by default with the need of the WikiMedia community.
If you would like to change a default settings you will have to have the whole community support your idea, then the community will ask the developpers to change the default settings.
Actually the community seems to be fine with the RED color being used for broken link. Just customize your site stylesheet if you don't agree with that.
cheers,
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 05:58:52 +0100, Ashar Voultoiz hashar@altern.org wrote:
[clip] Actually the community seems to be fine with the RED color being used for broken link. Just customize your site stylesheet if you don't agree with that.
Plus, red broken links just seems to make sense (at least to me).
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You can change the color (by going into the coding). At Wikinfo we use a green link which shows up well. But even the red can be deepened. Red seems right now for Wikipedia as it is a rather jarring color and stands out.
Black would seem to be indistinguishable from ordinary unlinked text.
Fred
From: NSK nsk2@wikinerds.org Organization: Wikinerds Reply-To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list mediawiki-l@Wikimedia.org Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 07:22:27 +0300 To: mediawiki-l@Wikimedia.org Subject: [Mediawiki-l] Red links
Hi,
Red links are very difficult to read and new wikis are full of them. I suggest to make red links appear in black by default.
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