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17 Sep 2004 17 Sep '04

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### ANNOUNCE ### ANNOUNCE ### ANNOUNCE ### ANNOUNCE ### The '''Diderot''' WikiWriter alpha is soon to be released. '''Diderot''' is going to become the first full-featured, offline-online Wikipedia Editor with * Source Coloring * Source Folding * integrated Browser Window * Category Browser * Asynchronous Put and Get of Wikipedia Pages (you dont have to wait until a page is saved) * Parallel Editing of Multiple Articles In the future, we plan to add a variety of new features: * Recent Change Agent with Notification Function, able to process RegEx * Search & Replace with RegEx * Integrated Watchlist with automated update * Automatic resolving of Redirects * and many other ... participate and submit a Feature Request on our Project Summary Page at http://wikiwriter.sourceforge.net! On the Project Homepage at http://wikiwriter.sourceforge.net you can find some Screenshots. The package will currently only run under WinXP, but in the future we will try to support unix platforms as well. This will depend on volunteers to tackle some developement tasks. Any pythonists are welcome to participate. The project is based on python and comes with a PSF licence. Sources can be found on the project page on http://sourceforge.net/projects/wikiwriter. ==IMPORTANT== This announce is in some way a test on how many interest there is in such a tool. So please put your vote on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Dedicated Dedicated Wikipedia editor/Diderot. If there is positive feedback from the community, the project should soon grow into some stable beta release. Please use the sourceforge trackers to submit your feature requests or mailto:wikiwiki(at)vr(dash)web(dot)de. The final alpha release announce will be posted in the next days. Enjoy! Shannon

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Chris Phoenix

17 Sep 17 Sep

5:05 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Special-purpose MediaWiki clones, relation to MediaWiki family

I'm building a site, http://Wise-Nano.org, using MediaWiki software. It will hopefully grow into a big collaborative informational project, but with a specific purpose: to analyze the implications and risks of advanced nanotechnology, and make wise policy. Should I join the MediaWiki project family, or is this too special-purpose? Are there any conventions or expectations for narrow clone projects using MediaWiki's look and feel, linking to their help pages, etc? Is there a better place to ask this question? Thanks, Chris -- Chris Phoenix cphoenix(a)CRNano.org Director of Research Center for Responsible Nanotechnology http://CRNano.org

Brion Vibber

9:04 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Special-purpose MediaWiki clones, relation to MediaWiki family

On Sep 17, 2004, at 8:05 AM, Chris Phoenix wrote:

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I'm not aware of any particular 'MediaWiki project family'. You may be thinking of the Wikimedia Foundation, the umbrella organization running Wikipedia, Wiktionary, etc. MediaWiki is just the wiki software, nothing more.

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Are there any conventions or expectations for narrow clone projects using MediaWiki's look and feel, linking to their help pages, etc?

Chris Phoenix

9:22 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Special-purpose MediaWiki clones, relation to MediaWiki family

Yes, I was thinking of the Wikimedia Foundation's projects. Would Wise-Nano or Nanopedia (the hoped-for end product) be a good addition to that group of projects? If my site uses a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike license, does that fulfill the Gnu license, or do I have to include Gnu boilerplate on any text I copy from a Gnu'd site? Chris Brion Vibber wrote:

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On Sep 17, 2004, at 8:05 AM, Chris Phoenix wrote:

Are there any conventions or expectations for narrow clone projects using MediaWiki's look and feel, linking to their help pages, etc?

You are of course welcome to link. If you copy help pages from meta.wikipedia.org or another Wikipedia project, be sure to respect the license of those pages (GNU Free Documentation License). -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

-- Chris Phoenix cphoenix(a)CRNano.org Director of Research Center for Responsible Nanotechnology http://CRNano.org

erik_moeller＠gmx.de

18 Sep 18 Sep

7:53 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Special-purpose MediaWiki clones, relation to MediaWiki family

Chris-

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Yes, I was thinking of the Wikimedia Foundation's projects. Would Wise-Nano or Nanopedia (the hoped-for end product) be a good addition to that group of projects?

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If my site uses a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike license, does that fulfill the Gnu license, or do I have to include Gnu boilerplate on any text I copy from a Gnu'd site?

1) The appropriate list to discuss whether a particular project can be part of the Wikimedia set of projects is http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l I've therefore CC'd my response there. 2) Generally, Wikimedia projects are very broad. There is only one notable exception to that rule, the recently created Wikispecies (which is why I think it should be incorporated into a larger Wikidata project). It has been proposed in the past to have a "Wikipolicy" project as a sort of open brainstorming space for determining useful political policies on various issues. That might be an idea worth developing further, but I would oppose a narrow project like Wise-Nano. 3) All text-centric projects are under the GNU FDL (Wikispecies licensing is not decided yet), so that would have to be the license to use. Regards, Erik

Evan Prodromou

17 Sep 17 Sep

9:44 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] RFC - Diderot WikiWriter Project - Pre-Release Announce

nospam(a)mussenbrock.de wrote:

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I just wanted to point to this page (yet again): http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor ~ESP

22 Sep 22 Sep

10:15 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] RFC - Diderot WikiWriter Project - Pre-Release Announce

Diderot looks like a great project. I'm very curious to see what new ways to deal with merging changes will arise. It should be possible to at least be as clever as modern CMS systems. As for WYSIWYG editors, when Ward Cunningham was asked what one thing he would change about Wikipedia, he said "I'd throw a WYSIWYG editor in front of it". http://tinyurl.com/5kttp +SJ On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:44:39 -0400, Evan Prodromou <evan(a)wikitravel.org> wrote:

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nospam(a)mussenbrock.de wrote:

I just wanted to point to this page (yet again): http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor ~ESP

Jens Ropers

10:30 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] RFC - Diderot WikiWriter Project - Pre-Release Announce

On 22 Sep 2004, at 22:15, Sj wrote:

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As for WYSIWYG editors, when Ward Cunningham was asked what one thing he would change about Wikipedia, he said "I'd throw a WYSIWYG editor in front of it". http://tinyurl.com/5kttp +SJ

You're misquoting him there, at least in the article it doesn't say so. He did say something along these lines, but -- just as a polite caveat -- I would be weary of "making up quotes". It reminds me of how [[Theodore Sturgeon]] got immortalized with a sentence containing a four letter word he never uttered. (He used a much milder four letter word.) See [[Sturgeon's law]]. Anyway. -- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com

10:56 p.m.

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:30:59 +0200, Jens Ropers <ropers(a)ropersonline.com> wrote:

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On 22 Sep 2004, at 22:15, Sj wrote:

As for WYSIWYG editors, when Ward Cunningham was asked what one thing he would change about Wikipedia, he said "I'd throw a WYSIWYG editor in front of it". http://tinyurl.com/5kttp

Thanks for the attention to detail, Jens. I am quite wary of making up quotes; for the very reason that they tend to live forever. In this case, however, the quote is legit. I did the interview, I have it on tape... (checks source) Okay, now I'm slightly embarrassed, Ward didn't say "editor" : "WQ: If there were one thing you could change about Wikipedia, what would it be?" "WC: <immediately> I'd throw a wysiwyg editing interface in front of it." That quote (and the entire question) got cut... because WYSIWYG editors were important enough to him that he brought the subject up twice. -- +sj+

Jens Ropers

23 Sep 23 Sep

2:50 a.m.

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Ah. Thanks for the clarification. -- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com

9:32 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] RFC - Diderot WikiWriter Project - Pre-Release Announce

Here are more comments from the cutting-room floor. The bit about "how many FTEs are editing on Wikipedia?" would be a cute stat to add to the stats list. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Newsletter/Extras On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:50:39 +0200, Jens Ropers <ropers(a)ropersonline.com> wrote:

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SJ wrote:

"WQ: If there were one thing you could change about Wikipedia, what would it be?" "WC: <immediately> I'd throw a wysiwyg editing interface in front of it." That quote (and the entire question) got cut... because WYSIWYG editors were important enough to him that he brought the subject up twice.

Ah. Thanks for the clarification. -- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Jamie Bliss

17 Sep 17 Sep

11:06 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] RFC - Diderot WikiWriter Project - Pre-Release Announce

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:40:02 +0200, nospam(a)mussenbrock.de <nospam(a)mussenbrock.de> wrote:

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This sounds great! (I've been thinking about porting the parser code to C++ for a similar effect)

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This announce is in some way a test on how many interest there is in such a tool. So please put your vote on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Dedicated Dedicated Wikipedia editor/Diderot.

The URL for that is http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Dedicated_Wikipedia_editor/Diderot -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- http://endeavour.zapto.org/astro73/ Thank you to JosephM for inviting me to GMail!

Southern Phoenix

22 Sep 22 Sep

7:02 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] RFC - Diderot WikiWriter Project - Pre-Release Announce

hi, I learned that the WikiWriter alpha has been released. But how may I use it for other Wiki ? Please advise. Thanks. Hendry

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