I want to develop a browser extension to save the text of all submitted revisions to the local machine.
So for example, suppose you are editing a wiki and you click "save". Your browser would then save a copy of that revision on your hard drive. Then you would have all those submissions saved as backups, which could be helpful if your article were to be deleted or if the wiki were to go down.
There's a problem on the Internet in general, which is that when sites go down, the content is often irretrievably lost because no one archived it. This could be a way to help fight against that, by making it easier for authors to keep copies at least of their own work (which is probably some of the content they care most about and would be most interested in salvaging and reposting elsewhere).
I'm thinking this should probably be a Firefox and/or Brave extension, since those browsers seem the most compatible with MediaWiki. Any suggestions on what's the best way to go about this? Do you know of any other browser extensions/plugins I might be able to cannibalize or use as inspiration for this? Thanks.
Mediawiki archives all revisions even they are deleted by a sysop. There is no way to delete revs permanently by default (without an extra extension) and there is no need for it too.
Sysops can view all deleted revisions. But when problem with wiki's HDD is still a problem.
Then backup, backup, backup is a solution.
Yeah, this is from the administrator's point of view, not the user's one. But I can't see any reason why such extension would be useful still.
As a sysop of cs.wiki I personally have no problem with sending the content or restoring it when there is some reason for it. Yeah, you may say not everybody know that the content could be restored technically. But those who know they may use such extension would know the content can be restored too.
So instead of thinking about the extension itself I would rather talk about the need for it.
Best, Martin
Dne po 1. kvě 2017 23:01 uživatel Jean Valjean jeanvaljean2718@gmail.com napsal:
I want to develop a browser extension to save the text of all submitted revisions to the local machine.
So for example, suppose you are editing a wiki and you click "save". Your browser would then save a copy of that revision on your hard drive. Then you would have all those submissions saved as backups, which could be helpful if your article were to be deleted or if the wiki were to go down.
There's a problem on the Internet in general, which is that when sites go down, the content is often irretrievably lost because no one archived it. This could be a way to help fight against that, by making it easier for authors to keep copies at least of their own work (which is probably some of the content they care most about and would be most interested in salvaging and reposting elsewhere).
I'm thinking this should probably be a Firefox and/or Brave extension, since those browsers seem the most compatible with MediaWiki. Any suggestions on what's the best way to go about this? Do you know of any other browser extensions/plugins I might be able to cannibalize or use as inspiration for this? Thanks. _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list To unsubscribe, go to: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
It depends on the wiki. Suppose, for instance, you're a RationalWiki user editing Conservapedia, and then the Conservapedia sysops decide, "Hey wait, this user is a troll, so let's block him and delete all this work." If he asks for copies of his articles, they might say, "We don't want to help you spread that nonsense any further."
There also have been wikis whose databases got corrupted, and then they found out that their backups weren't usable either.
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:52 AM, Martin Urbanec <martin.urbanec@wikimedia.cz
wrote:
Mediawiki archives all revisions even they are deleted by a sysop. There is no way to delete revs permanently by default (without an extra extension) and there is no need for it too.
Sysops can view all deleted revisions. But when problem with wiki's HDD is still a problem.
Then backup, backup, backup is a solution.
Yeah, this is from the administrator's point of view, not the user's one. But I can't see any reason why such extension would be useful still.
As a sysop of cs.wiki I personally have no problem with sending the content or restoring it when there is some reason for it. Yeah, you may say not everybody know that the content could be restored technically. But those who know they may use such extension would know the content can be restored too.
So instead of thinking about the extension itself I would rather talk about the need for it.
Best, Martin
To preserve, backup, archive or otherwise find out about existing resources which would help with those activities, check out http://www.archiveteam.org and http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=WikiTeam
Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org
Yeah, you're right. I know about that wikis but...I guess it would be easier to recover corrupted backups/database than catch all computers from all users that made at least one edit which is needed to recover the original state.
Maybe something like http://deletionpedia.org/en/Main_Page would be useful to examine (yeah, it can catch only deletion that were proposed at Wikipedia of course).
Martin
út 2. 5. 2017 v 19:14 odesílatel Jean Valjean jeanvaljean2718@gmail.com napsal:
It depends on the wiki. Suppose, for instance, you're a RationalWiki user editing Conservapedia, and then the Conservapedia sysops decide, "Hey wait, this user is a troll, so let's block him and delete all this work." If he asks for copies of his articles, they might say, "We don't want to help you spread that nonsense any further."
There also have been wikis whose databases got corrupted, and then they found out that their backups weren't usable either.
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:52 AM, Martin Urbanec < martin.urbanec@wikimedia.cz
wrote:
Mediawiki archives all revisions even they are deleted by a sysop. There
is
no way to delete revs permanently by default (without an extra extension) and there is no need for it too.
Sysops can view all deleted revisions. But when problem with wiki's HDD
is
still a problem.
Then backup, backup, backup is a solution.
Yeah, this is from the administrator's point of view, not the user's one. But I can't see any reason why such extension would be useful still.
As a sysop of cs.wiki I personally have no problem with sending the
content
or restoring it when there is some reason for it. Yeah, you may say not everybody know that the content could be restored technically. But those who know they may use such extension would know the content can be
restored
too.
So instead of thinking about the extension itself I would rather talk
about
the need for it.
Best, Martin
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Yeah, you're right. I know about that wikis but...I guess it would be easier to recover corrupted backups/database than catch all computers from all users that made at least one edit which is needed to recover the original state.
Maybe something like http://deletionpedia.org/en/Main_Page would be useful to examine (yeah, it can catch only deletion that were proposed at Wikipedia of course).
Martin
út 2. 5. 2017 v 19:14 odesílatel Jean Valjean jeanvaljean2718@gmail.com napsal:
It depends on the wiki. Suppose, for instance, you're a RationalWiki user editing Conservapedia, and then the Conservapedia sysops decide, "Hey wait, this user is a troll, so let's block him and delete all this work." If he asks for copies of his articles, they might say, "We don't want to help you spread that nonsense any further."
There also have been wikis whose databases got corrupted, and then they found out that their backups weren't usable either.
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:52 AM, Martin Urbanec < martin.urbanec@wikimedia.cz
wrote:
Mediawiki archives all revisions even they are deleted by a sysop. There
is
no way to delete revs permanently by default (without an extra extension) and there is no need for it too.
Sysops can view all deleted revisions. But when problem with wiki's HDD
is
still a problem.
Then backup, backup, backup is a solution.
Yeah, this is from the administrator's point of view, not the user's one. But I can't see any reason why such extension would be useful still.
As a sysop of cs.wiki I personally have no problem with sending the
content
or restoring it when there is some reason for it. Yeah, you may say not everybody know that the content could be restored technically. But those who know they may use such extension would know the content can be
restored
too.
So instead of thinking about the extension itself I would rather talk
about
the need for it.
Best, Martin
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I think there are still some deleted pages that fall through the cracks of Deletionpedia, Speedy Deletion Wiki, etc.
I know there have been many times I've wanted this functionality, but on the other hand, I've also had local hard drives crash, so I would've lost all those revisions anyway in the end unless I backed up my backups. I got complacent, though, and figured that a desktop machine's hard drive would be unlikely to crash, because it's not exposed to all the shocks that a laptop hard drive is exposed to.
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Martin Urbanec martin.urbanec@wikimedia.cz wrote:
Yeah, you're right. I know about that wikis but...I guess it would be easier to recover corrupted backups/database than catch all computers from all users that made at least one edit which is needed to recover the original state.
Maybe something like http://deletionpedia.org/en/Main_Page would be useful to examine (yeah, it can catch only deletion that were proposed at Wikipedia of course).
Martin
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