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Hugh Prior

13 May 2006 13 May '06

11:28 a.m.

I want to have a wiki in (say) English and French . Does that mean I have to have 2 copies of the wiki software?!? When I define, on my (shared hosting) host, I get by default a seperate directory for each sub-domain, e.g. en.mysite.com => /home/www/en.mysite.com fr.mysite.com => /home/www/fr.mysite.com I suppose therefore all I have to then do is install a version of the wiki software in each of these subdirectories, define an entry in the interwiki link table which says that a link like [[fr:My French Page]] is really a link to [[http://fr.mysite.com]], and bingo, the new wiki code in each directory will deal with it. BUT, if I have 50 languages, I don't really want 50 copies of the wiki software! Or is this the way I need to do it? I can imagine setting up a single generic language version, such as: generic.mysite.com => /home/www/generic.mysite.com but then all my links go to that version, such that [[en:My English Page]] becomes a link to [[http://generic.mysite.com]] and [[fr:My French Page]] becomes a link to [[http://generic.mysite.com]] and I have lost the language information that "My English Page" is "en" and "My French Page" is "fr". I hope I have explained clearly enough. Thanks for any pointers.

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Elliott F. Cable

13 May 13 May

11:32 a.m.

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symlink the directories. werked 4 mee. phoniks did, I meen. On May 13, 2006, at 3:28 AM, Hugh Prior wrote:

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Hugh Prior

12:23 p.m.

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Thanks for the quick reply. Though I don't really understand it at all. Can you explain what you mean by "symlink the directories"? I suppose somehow you mean that you pointed all of the languages at a single mediawiki directory, but how? And how does this preserve the different languages? Can you give an example of how you set it up? Thanks. "Elliott F. Cable" <ecable(a)avxw.com> wrote in message news:175881DC-6F87-40BC-A435-0962FC4BE554@avxw.com...

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symlink the directories. werked 4 mee. phoniks did, I meen.

Rob Church

12:49 p.m.

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On 13/05/06, Hugh Prior <mediawiki(a)localpin.com> wrote:

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Have a look at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#How_do_I_create_a_small_wiki_f…, which contains pointers on getting started with multiple installations running off the same code. Be aware that there are vast possibilities, however; Wikimedia does it in a more complex manner, and I bet Wikitravel and Wikia do it with slight variations too. Many of our regulars in the #mediawiki IRC channel run multiple wikis, and each seems to have developed an evolved solution fitted to his/her needs. Rob Church

Hugh Prior

2:03 p.m.

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Thanks, that's just what I was looking for.

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Have a look at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#How_do_I_create_a_small_wiki_f…,

Now, a little rant (also put on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:FAQ#Why_is_the_non-meta_page_missin…): Why is the meta version of this page http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ much better (i.e. much more comprehensive) than this page? For example, I was looking for ages for info on how to create a multi-lingual site, of course read this page, then via the forums got the answer from the Rob Church and Rotem Liss posts (13th May 2006) that I should check: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#How_do_I_create_a_small_wiki_f… If the old meta page is really supposed to be replaced by this mediawiki version then shouldn't we just stick a redirect on it? Otherwise we have the classic horror of duplicated data. As it is, the information which I was looking for appears to be only on the (supposedly replaced) meta page and not on the (supposedly better) replacement page. I also made a minor correction to the old version because the correction had nowhere else to go.

Rob Church

2:19 p.m.

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On 13/05/06, Hugh Prior <mediawiki(a)localpin.com> wrote:

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Why is the meta version of this page http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ much better (i.e. much more comprehensive) than this page? For example, I was looking for ages for info on how to create a multi-lingual site, of course read this page, then via the forums got the answer from the Rob Church and Rotem Liss posts (13th May 2006) that I should check: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#How_do_I_create_a_small_wiki_f… If the old meta page is really supposed to be replaced by this mediawiki version then shouldn't we just stick a redirect on it? Otherwise we have the classic horror of duplicated data.

A lot of that page, however, is old, crap, out of date, badly written or contains too many questions that AREN'T frequently asked. The problem is a lack of time to move the stuff across; I was in the process of slowly rewriting the FAQ using headings from the old one as ideas on what should be covered, but ran out of time. Rob Church

Hugh Prior

4:06 p.m.

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OK, let's do this in a wiki way. I have thrown a first draft into the wiki world and will let wiki evolution take care of the rest: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:FAQ2 Who needs time?! ;-) "Rob Church" <robchur(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:e92136380605130719o77c1b720w7057ffc29a491d15@mail.gmail.com...

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admin Yellowikis

14 May 14 May

10:07 p.m.

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A multilingual version of MediaWiki is underdevelopment at the moment. See: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Multilingual_MediaWiki Still a few weeks away though. PaulY On 5/13/06, Hugh Prior <mediawiki(a)localpin.com> wrote:

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Hugh Prior

15 May 15 May

10:39 a.m.

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Thanks for the link. I would like to propose some important changes to the new system before it is too late: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Multilingual_MediaWiki#Language_set_pro… "admin Yellowikis" <yellowikis(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:40b4c2310605141507l2da3c71eo1f6fc672129eade8@mail.gmail.com...

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A multilingual version of MediaWiki is underdevelopment at the moment. See: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Multilingual_MediaWiki Still a few weeks away though. PaulY

Hugh Prior

16 May 16 May

2:27 p.m.

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The proposal below has seemingly zero reaction. Does this mean I AM too late? "Hugh Prior" <mediawiki(a)localpin.com> wrote in message news:e49lp8$ib4$1@sea.gmane.org...

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Thanks for the link. I would like to propose some important changes to the new system before it is too late: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Multilingual_MediaWiki#Language_set_pro…

Erik Moeller

4:25 p.m.

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On 5/16/06, Hugh Prior <mediawiki(a)localpin.com> wrote:

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The proposal below has seemingly zero reaction. Does this mean I AM too late?

No. Development on this part of the specs has not yet begun, so we can still choose a different approach. I've read your comments. You make some valid points, though your alternative also has some issues (maintenance of an additional page per set of language versions, ease of editability, choice of an arbitrary title for the Lang: page, etc.). It also has some advantages which you did not name: single history of all language link transactions, ease of bot updates. I think you're right about the problems of intuitively understanding the linked list approach. I'll have to think a bit more about it, especially the UI issues of editing two pages, but I tend to side with your proposal. I'll talk it over with Dominic (the contracted developer of MLMW) later today, and post something on Meta soon. Erik

Rotem Liss

13 May 13 May

12:54 p.m.

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See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#How_do_I_create_a_small_wiki_f… Hugh Prior wrote:

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symlink the directories. werked 4 mee. phoniks did, I meen.

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