I fully agree with David Shaw. I just posted the following:
Why, oh why is this environment getting so complex for users who have no
terminal access to their server? Or am I the only one?
Many extensions can only be installed via Composer. VisualEditor requires Parsoid. And so on. It's made impossible for us to stay up to date. Maybe users like myself are just a minority, but it is still a pity. Especially so because up to a year ago it all seemed so promising.
Kind regards,
Francis
On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 5:14 PM, David Shaw david.shaw.x23@gmail.com wrote:
I concur with those who mention the difficulty of upgrading. I'm running MW 1.26.0 in a single-click installation on AWS.
Other products I use -- including open source -- have a graceful and online update process.
MW is built by developers for developers. I'm not a developer and every time I upgrade I'm scared. It's a fraught exercise.
I have a few things that don't work, and I have no idea why. For example, file uploads stopped working somewhere along the way but I don't know when exactly. I didn't change file permissions; although I've fiddled with them endlessly since. I suspect it's something in the base AWS stack, but what? [Permissions seem to be an area of discussion with different falvours of Linux.]
I would like to install Parsoid (why isn't it in the base install?) but nobody can offer insight into how to install it at docroot when you only have docroot access. I hired a Linux pro to help with that one and he threw his hands up. [Installation is easy, but how do you start it up automatically?]
Why is the mobile frontend an add-on and not the default? It's 2015...
Quite a few extensions have gone to a DevOps approach of continuous development and release, but how do I know when to update them? There is no online notifiction.
All of these and more point to the legacy and Dev nature of MW.
David
On 05/12/2015 7:00 AM, mediawiki-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
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