MediaWiki-l May 2011

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Re: [Mediawiki-l] future planning for math/equations in mediawiki
by Lee Worden 13 May '11

13 May '11

> From: John Dorian<jm.dorian(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [Mediawiki-l] future planning for math/equations in mediawiki > > I'm hoping to get some advice or perspectives so I don't overlook something. > I'm looking to future-plan for math/equations in a mediawiki environment. > [...] > In general: > - MathML is supported natively by Firefox, and probably WebKit (Safari) > eventually > - TeX is not likely to be native supported, and will require some sort of > conversion for (X)HTML environments > > which looks like a win for MathML > > However,_right_ now, TeX has better support in MediaWiki > (for what I find odd reasons) > The methods that work now are: > > 1. texvc - works, but generating bitmapped PNGs is suboptimal and not what I > have in mind for the future in terms of scalable typesetting > > 2. MathJax (two sub-methods): [...] > Am I the only one who finds this odd - that I can't write MathML input, but yet > mediawiki and MathJax are moving with browsers to having MathML as the rendered > output? > > This seems like a waste - I have to worry writing nice TeX, then worry about how > it is converted by MathJax to MathML, and any possible bugs in that conversion > process - when I could just write MathML and have only to worry about how > Firefox renders it. > > What advice do people have about a "good way" (simple, future compatible, least > likely to break with converters) to deal with math/equations in mediawiki? > > Thank you in advance for your thoughts and insight. MathML is generally considered too cumbersome for writing by hand, and in fact it wasn't designed to be written by hand [1]. TeX seems to be the most popular format for authoring math to be translated to MathML, though there are other ways [2]. Along with the two MediaWiki extensions you mention, WorkingWiki [3] also provides TeX-to-MathML translation [4] similar to what texvc provides. It uses LaTeXML [5] to do the translation, a third-party tool that was developed to create the online version of the standard Handbook of Mathematical Functions [6]. WorkingWiki does substantially more than translate math expressions, but it should be possible to create an inline-math-only option if there was demand. Lee Worden McMaster University / UC Berkeley http://leeworden.net [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathml#cite_note-1 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathml#Software_support [3] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WorkingWiki [4] http://lalashan.mcmaster.ca/theobio/projects/index.php/WorkingWiki/Tutorial… [5] http://dlmf.nist.gov/LaTeXML/ [6] http://dlmf.nist.gov/

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Restriction access to User namespace
by Андрій Гончар 13 May '11

13 May '11

I want to restrict access for guest (users, who haven't account) to User namespace. Access for view. How can I do this? Thanks.

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PostgreSQL 9 with Mediawiki
by James King 12 May '11

12 May '11

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future planning for math/equations in mediawiki
by John Dorian 12 May '11

12 May '11

I'm hoping to get some advice or perspectives so I don't overlook something. I'm looking to future-plan for math/equations in a mediawiki environment. My understanding of an overview of the situation is something like this: (I expect to keep my own library of standalone formulas and equations, adding them to wiki pages and editing and expanding my library over the years, and hopefully still being readable by whatever browser or viewer exists in 15+ years.) The 2 main possibilities for me actually writing the markup for equations are (La)TeX or MathML. In general: - MathML is supported natively by Firefox, and probably WebKit (Safari) eventually - TeX is not likely to be native supported, and will require some sort of conversion for (X)HTML environments which looks like a win for MathML However, _right_ now, TeX has better support in MediaWiki (for what I find odd reasons) The methods that work now are: 1. texvc - works, but generating bitmapped PNGs is suboptimal and not what I have in mind for the future in terms of scalable typesetting 2. MathJax (two sub-methods): A. poorly documented, but the best method I have found is to edit LocalSettings.php and add a hook for BeforePageDisplay, to do an addScript() and add MathJax/MathJax.js {I say poorly documented because the MathJax instructions on http://www.mathjax.org/docs/1.1/platforms/ to add [script src="http://cdn.mathjax.org/mathjax/latest/MathJax.js?config..."] "just before the /head tag in your theme file ... like skins/[current_skin].php" is terrible advice. Most novices are not going to know which is the current_theme file (probably MonoBook), and MonoBook.php does _not_ have a /head tag anywhere in the file!} Using MathJax like this, one is forced to use TeX as the source (cannot use MathML), but MathJax can emit/convert to either HTML-CSS, or can emit MathML for native rendering in Firefox, which works very nicely B. Extension:MathJax (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MathJax) is nicely documented and works, but only accepts source as TeX, and only emits HTML-CSS as output, MathML output is not an option The common thread is that all these methods work with TeX as input source for the formulas, and only TeX. MathML as the input seems to be disapproved, and difficult: MathJax can't work on MathML input since all the XML element/tag structure the < and > all get sanitized in wiki PHP output to < and > I somewhat grasp that this is at least partially due to concerns about XML markup within wiki content - similar to the concerns expressed in the warnings for Extension:Inline_SVG (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Inline_SVG). Yet, mediawiki and MathJax is easily configured to have as final rendered output MathML. Am I the only one who finds this odd - that I can't write MathML input, but yet mediawiki and MathJax are moving with browsers to having MathML as the rendered output? This seems like a waste - I have to worry writing nice TeX, then worry about how it is converted by MathJax to MathML, and any possible bugs in that conversion process - when I could just write MathML and have only to worry about how Firefox renders it. What advice do people have about a "good way" (simple, future compatible, least likely to break with converters) to deal with math/equations in mediawiki? Thank you in advance for your thoughts and insight.

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New UK cookie rules and MediaWiki
by David Gerard 12 May '11

12 May '11

http://www.ico.gov.uk/~/media/documents/library/Privacy_and_electronic/Prac… New rules: only cookies that are "strictly necessary" may be set without permission. All others require explicit permission from the user. These will be quite a lot of work (to say the least) for commercial sites with ads to comply with. But UK-based MediaWiki sites should be OK, shouldn't they? Does MediaWiki use cookies for anything other than login functionality? Not sure if the "You must have cookies enabled to log in to SITENAME" bit will need rewording for tediously strict compliance. - d.

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slow MediaWiki
by Stip 11 May '11

11 May '11

Hi, our MediaWiki-Installation at http://www.wiki-aventurica.de/ has terrible response times, ~5-10 seconds for each page. The confusing thing is: Other projects on the same server (two forums) run fine. We've tried optimizing, using tips found on some MediaWiki-articles, but nothing worked. Here are some stats the server admin gave me: 31.01.2011 - 02.03.2011 52812 visits 209821 pimps traffic (february) 55.57GB traffic (january) 51.23GB http://www.wiki-aventurica.de/info_.php Any advice on how to speed our wiki up would be greatly appreciated. Greetings Stip

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wiki2latex doesn't handle <ref> and <toggledisplay>
by Raymond M 11 May '11

11 May '11

I'd like to modify the wiki2latex extension so that it skipps the <toggledisplay>...</toggledisplay> sections and come up with a solution for the use of <ref> insertions (I think I'm doing these using the Cite extension). Who can correspond with me on this? Other than those two problems, it seems to be producing pretty portable .tex

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How to add formatted code in content?
by Domenika Bolls 10 May '11

10 May '11

Hi there We want to add code-snippets to our wiki content. The best way would be to include in the content like it is done here: http://www.bjoernrochel.de/2010/05/12/kata-stringcalculator-in-f/ So that the code is formatted, has line numbers, line-break-icons, a "view source" button and stuff like that. But how can we do it? Can we do it at all? Do we need an extension? Thanks for any helpful information! Domenika i.A. Domenika Bolls Freelance Webdesign Mon to Fri 9 - 13h AutoScout24 GmbH Dingolfinger Str. 1-15 81673 München Tel: +49 (0) 89 - 444 561 303 Fax: +49 (0) 89 - 444 5619 1303 E-Mail: udbolls(a)autoscout24.com Internet: www.autoscout24.de ____________________________________________________ Wir sind umgezogen. Seit 14.03.2011 gelten unsere neuen Kontaktdaten. We have moved on 03/14/2011. Please observe that our contact data has changed. ____________________________________________________ Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolas Deskovic, Alberto Sanz de Lama, André Stark Vorsitzender des Beirats: Dr. Martin Enderle Amtsgericht München HRB 128 701 ____________________________________________________ AutoScout24 - europaweit der größte Automarkt Fan werden

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be vandalized
by Liu Jaloo 10 May '11

10 May '11

www.armux.org always be vandalized

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Font-Family Dynamic Download
by Brian Bell 10 May '11

10 May '11

Greetings! I am wanting to be able to display a font family in my wiki, that is not common. On my website, in the main cascading style sheet (.css) I use the following: @font-face { font-family: 'SteelWolf'; src: local('SteelWolf-Medium'), url('../fonts/SteelWolf-Medium.woff') format('woff'), url('../fonts/SteelWolf-Medium.ttf') format('truetype'); } Along with span.sw { font-family: SteelWolf; } This allows the viewer to automatically install the font and be able to view it on the page. I want to do the same thing in the wiki. I am unsure which style sheet into which to insert this code. I thought common.css, but was unable to find it. If someone can help, I would appreciate it. -Bri

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