Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166):
Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84 subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which are themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%87%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%9F%E0%A5...) There are 578 pieces of content, many of which are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... or https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories and erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5.... Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates and pages like https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. The actual amount of content seems like something that one person could make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project? This seems like a misstep.
Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in five and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code or one line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for disaster.
--JAK
To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text and the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence". His second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears only a link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to @Jayprakash12345 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s userpage--maybe it is his own email address?
The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to even localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing the lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving around those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being the only consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus agree with his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My personal opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and hiwikiquote) could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I would digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests more generally here.
(Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:HI that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted and 2) the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp <justinkoavf@gmail.com
wrote:
Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166):
Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84 subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which are themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of which are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories and erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5.... Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates and pages like https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. The actual amount of content seems like something that one person could make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project? This seems like a misstep.
Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in five and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code or one line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for disaster.
--JAK
"[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into that hot eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?"
Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text and the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence". His second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears only a link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to @Jayprakash12345 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s userpage--maybe it is his own email address?
The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to even localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing the lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving around those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being the only consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus agree with his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My personal opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and hiwikiquote) could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I would digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests more generally here.
(Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:HI that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted and 2) the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp <justinkoavf@gmail.com
wrote:
Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166):
Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84 subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which are themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of which are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories and erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5.... Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates and pages like https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. The actual amount of content seems like something that one person could make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project? This seems like a misstep.
Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in five and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code or one line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for disaster.
--JAK
"[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into that hot eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?"
Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even localize the comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being addressed slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an example.
I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure that there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other Wikimedia projects.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text and the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence". His second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears only a link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to @Jayprakash12345 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s
userpage--maybe it
is his own email address?
The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to even localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing the lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving around those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being the
only
consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus agree
with
his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My
personal
opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and
hiwikiquote)
could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I
would
digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests more generally here.
(Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:
HI
that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted and 2) the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp <justinkoavf@gmail.com
wrote:
Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166):
Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84 subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which are themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of which are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories and erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5.... Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates and pages like https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. The actual amount of content seems like something that one person could make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project?
This
seems like a misstep.
Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in
five
and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code or one line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for disaster.
--JAK
"[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into that hot eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?"
Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014/Page_footer] See Here.
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even localize the comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being addressed slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an example.
I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure that there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other Wikimedia projects.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text and the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence". His second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears only a link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to @Jayprakash12345 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s
userpage--maybe it
is his own email address?
The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to even localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing the lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving around those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being the
only
consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus agree
with
his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My
personal
opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and
hiwikiquote)
could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I
would
digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests more generally here.
(Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:
HI
that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted and 2) the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp <justinkoavf@gmail.com
wrote:
Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166):
Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84 subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which are themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of which are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories and erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5.... Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates and pages like https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. The actual amount of content seems like something that one person could make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project?
This
seems like a misstep.
Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in
five
and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code or one line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for disaster.
--JAK
"[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into that hot eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?"
Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
-- Yours sincerely, Mahir Morshed University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign B.S. Computer Engineering, May 2019
I do think that the community will improve content as the time progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well.
But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine translations. Such as
<goog_1512637911> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5...
Regards Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29 Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee Member, Language Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014/Page_footer] See Here.
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even localize the comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being
addressed
slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an example.
I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure
that
there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other Wikimedia projects.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text and the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence".
His
second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears
only
a link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to @Jayprakash12345 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s
userpage--maybe it
is his own email address?
The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to even localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing
the
lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving around those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being the
only
consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus agree
with
his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My
personal
opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and
hiwikiquote)
could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I
would
digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests more generally here.
(Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:
RecentChangesLinked/Category:
HI
that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted and 2) the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp <justinkoavf@gmail.com
wrote:
Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166):
Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84 subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which
are
themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of which are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4...
2014/पेज_फ़ुट
which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories and erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5.... Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates and pages like https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. The actual amount of content seems like something that one person could make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project?
This
seems like a misstep.
Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in
five
and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code or one line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for disaster.
--JAK
"[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into that
hot
eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?"
Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
--
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
-- Yours sincerely, Mahir Morshed University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign B.S. Computer Engineering, May 2019
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Hoi, Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? Thanks, GerardM
On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
I do think that the community will improve content as the time progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well.
But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine translations. Such as
http://goog_1512637911 https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5% 8B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87% E0%A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4% B0%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97
Regards Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29 Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee Member, Language Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014/Page_footer] See Here.
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even localize
the
comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being
addressed
slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an example.
I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure
that
there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other Wikimedia projects.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text and the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence".
His
second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears
only
a link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to @Jayprakash12345 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s
userpage--maybe it
is his own email address?
The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to
even
localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing
the
lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving around those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being
the
only
consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus agree
with
his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My
personal
opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and
hiwikiquote)
could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I
would
digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests more generally here.
(Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinke
d/Category:
HI
that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted
and
the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp <justinkoavf@gmail.com
wrote:
Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166
):
Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has
84
subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which
are
themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of which are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4...
14/पेज_फ़ुट
which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories and erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This
includes
almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5...
.
Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates and pages like https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. The actual amount of content seems like something that one person could make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project?
This
seems like a misstep.
Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in
five
and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code or one line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for disaster.
--JAK
"[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into that
hot
eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?"
Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua
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(Late reply, sorry.)
While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole.
2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? Thanks, GerardM
On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
I do think that the community will improve content as the time progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well.
But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine translations. Such as
http://goog_1512637911 https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8 B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0% A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0% E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97
Regards Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29 Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee Member, Language Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014/Page_footer ] See Here.
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even localize
the
comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being
addressed
slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an
example.
I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure
that
there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other Wikimedia projects.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text and the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence".
His
second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears
only
a link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to @Jayprakash12345 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s
userpage--maybe it
is his own email address?
The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages
are
linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to
even
localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing
the
lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving around those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being
the
only
consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus
agree
with
his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My
personal
opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and
hiwikiquote)
could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I
would
digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests more generally here.
(Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinke
d/Category:
HI
that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted
and
the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp <justinkoavf@gmail.com > wrote:
> Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166
):
> > Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has
84
> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which
are
> themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ > wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of > which > are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ > wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4...
14/पेज_फ़ुट
> which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories > and > erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This
includes
> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5...
/boot.s.
> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic
templates
> and > pages like > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. > The actual amount of content seems like something that one person > could > make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live
project?
This
> seems like a misstep. > > Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages
in
five
> and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux
code
> or > one > line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for > disaster. > > --JAK > -- > "[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into that
hot
> eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?" > > Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >
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Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
(Late reply, sorry.)
While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole.
2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? Thanks, GerardM
On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
I do think that the community will improve content as the time progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well.
But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine translations. Such as
http://goog_1512637911 https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8 B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0% A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0% E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97
Regards Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29 Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee Member, Language Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014 /Page_footer] See Here.
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even localize
the
comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being
addressed
slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an
example.
I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure
that
there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other Wikimedia projects.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote: > To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191): > > I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari
text
> and > the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to > "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial
intelligence". His
> second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears
only
> a > link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer > Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded > elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to > @Jayprakash12345 > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s userpage--maybe it > is his own email address? > > The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed > inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages
are
> linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to
even
> localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from
seeing the
> lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving > around > those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being
the
only > consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus
agree
with > his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My personal > opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and hiwikiquote) > could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but
I
would > digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests > more > generally here. > > (Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinke
d/Category:
HI > that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted
and
> 2) > the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.) > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp > <justinkoavf@gmail.com >> wrote: > >> Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia
.org/T168765#3376166):
>> >> Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category
has 84
>> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories
which are
>> themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >> wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of >> which >> are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >> wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4...
14/पेज_फ़ुट
>> which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove
categories
>> and >> erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This
includes
>> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5...
/boot.s.
>> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic
templates
>> and >> pages like >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. >> The actual amount of content seems like something that one person >> could >> make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live
project?
This >> seems like a misstep. >> >> Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages
in
five >> and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux
code
>> or >> one >> line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for >> disaster. >> >> --JAK >> -- >> "[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into
that hot
>> eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?" >> >> Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> > > > -- >
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I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher previously. However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what Wikiversity is for.
Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back.
2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
(Late reply, sorry.)
While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole.
2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? Thanks, GerardM
On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
I do think that the community will improve content as the time progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well.
But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine translations. Such as
http://goog_1512637911 https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8 B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0% A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0% E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97
Regards Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29 Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee Member, Language Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014 /Page_footer] See Here.
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even
localize the
comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being
addressed
slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an
example.
I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not
sure that
there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other Wikimedia projects.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash <0freerunning@gmail.com
wrote:
> You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I
have
> cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... > ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट]. > > On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote: > > To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191): > > > > I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari
text
> > and > > the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to > > "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial
intelligence". His
> > second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...)
bears only
> > a > > link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer > > Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded > > elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to > > @Jayprakash12345 > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s > userpage--maybe it > > is his own email address? > > > > The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is
indeed
> > inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages
are
> > linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to
even
> > localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from
seeing the
> > lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving > > around > > those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345
being the
> only > > consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus
agree
> with > > his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My > personal > > opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and > hiwikiquote) > > could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point,
but I
> would > > digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site
requests
> > more > > generally here. > > > > (Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging
from
> > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinke
d/Category:
> HI > > that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been
deleted and
> > 2) > > the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.) > > > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp > > <justinkoavf@gmail.com > >> wrote: > > > >> Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia
.org/T168765#3376166):
> >> > >> Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category
has 84
> >> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories
which are
> >> themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ > >> wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many
of
> >> which > >> are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ > >> wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or > >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4...
14/पेज_फ़ुट
> >> which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove
categories
> >> and > >> erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This
includes
> >> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as > >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5...
/boot.s.
> >> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic
templates
> >> and > >> pages like > >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. > >> The actual amount of content seems like something that one person > >> could > >> make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live
project?
> This > >> seems like a misstep. > >> > >> Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500
pages in
> five > >> and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux
code
> >> or > >> one > >> line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for > >> disaster. > >> > >> --JAK > >> -- > >> "[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into
that hot
> >> eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?" > >> > >> Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Langcom mailing list > >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >
-- Yours sincerely, Mahir Morshed University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign B.S. Computer Engineering, May 2019
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StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in < https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5%88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4..., for whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well.
With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but well... the project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, improved). Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval.
2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher previously. However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what Wikiversity is for.
Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back.
2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
(Late reply, sorry.)
While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole.
2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? Thanks, GerardM
On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
I do think that the community will improve content as the time progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well.
But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine translations. Such as
http://goog_1512637911 https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8 B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0% A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0% E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97
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On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014 /Page_footer] See Here.
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote: > Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even localize the > comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being addressed > slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an example. > > I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure that > there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other > Wikimedia projects. > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash < 0freerunning@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have >> cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... >> ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट]. >> >> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote: >> > To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: >> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191): >> > >> > I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text >> > and >> > the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to >> > "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence". His >> > second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears only >> > a >> > link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer >> > Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded >> > elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to >> > @Jayprakash12345 >> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s >> userpage--maybe it >> > is his own email address? >> > >> > The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed >> > inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are >> > linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to even >> > localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing the >> > lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving >> > around >> > those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being the >> only >> > consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus agree >> with >> > his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My >> personal >> > opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and >> hiwikiquote) >> > could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I >> would >> > digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests >> > more >> > generally here. >> > >> > (Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from >> > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinke d/Category: >> HI >> > that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted and >> > 2) >> > the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.) >> > >> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp >> > <justinkoavf@gmail.com >> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia .org/T168765#3376166): >> >> >> >> Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84 >> >> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which are >> >> themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >> >> wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of >> >> which >> >> are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >> >> wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... 14/पेज_फ़ुट >> >> which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories >> >> and >> >> erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes >> >> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5... /boot.s. >> >> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates >> >> and >> >> pages like >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer . >> >> The actual amount of content seems like something that one person >> >> could >> >> make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project? >> This >> >> seems like a misstep. >> >> >> >> Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in >> five >> >> and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code >> >> or >> >> one >> >> line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for >> >> disaster. >> >> >> >> --JAK >> >> -- >> >> "[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into that hot >> >> eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?" >> >> >> >> Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Langcom mailing list >> >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> > > > > -- > Yours sincerely, > Mahir Morshed > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign > B.S. Computer Engineering, May 2019 >
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Hoi, People want us to consider the deletion of projects... not happy about it. The consequence for me is that we also look at Wikiversity as a project. Is it viable, is it used. What experiences exist with English Wikipedia ? Thanks, GerardM
On 19 July 2017 at 03:35, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in < https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5% 88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_HI>, for whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well.
With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but well... the project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, improved). Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval.
2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher previously. However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what Wikiversity is for.
Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back.
2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
(Late reply, sorry.)
While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole.
2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? Thanks, GerardM
On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
I do think that the community will improve content as the time progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well.
But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine translations. Such as
http://goog_1512637911 https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8 B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0% A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0% E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97
Regards Satdeep Gill
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On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
> [https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014 > /Page_footer] > See Here. > > On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote: > > Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even > localize the > > comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being > addressed > > slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an > example. > > > > I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not > sure that > > there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other > > Wikimedia projects. > > > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash < > 0freerunning@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I > have > >> cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... > >> ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट]. > >> > >> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote: > >> > To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: > >> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191): > >> > > >> > I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari > text > >> > and > >> > the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to > >> > "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial > intelligence". His > >> > second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) > bears only > >> > a > >> > link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer > >> > Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is > transcluded > >> > elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to > >> > @Jayprakash12345 > >> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s > >> userpage--maybe it > >> > is his own email address? > >> > > >> > The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is > indeed > >> > inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the > pages are > >> > linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort > to even > >> > localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from > seeing the > >> > lack of something more substantial in the way of content > revolving > >> > around > >> > those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 > being the > >> only > >> > consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus > agree > >> with > >> > his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. > My > >> personal > >> > opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and > >> hiwikiquote) > >> > could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, > but I > >> would > >> > digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site > requests > >> > more > >> > generally here. > >> > > >> > (Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging > from > >> > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinke > d/Category: > >> HI > >> > that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been > deleted and > >> > 2) > >> > the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.) > >> > > >> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp > >> > <justinkoavf@gmail.com > >> >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia > .org/T168765#3376166): > >> >> > >> >> Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category > has 84 > >> >> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories > which are > >> >> themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ > >> >> wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, > many of > >> >> which > >> >> are just one or two lines, such as > https://beta.wikiversity.org/ > >> >> wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free > or > >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... > 14/पेज_फ़ुट > >> >> which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove > categories > >> >> and > >> >> erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This > includes > >> >> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as > >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5... > /boot.s. > >> >> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic > templates > >> >> and > >> >> pages like > >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-foo > ter. > >> >> The actual amount of content seems like something that one > person > >> >> could > >> >> make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live > project? > >> This > >> >> seems like a misstep. > >> >> > >> >> Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 > pages in > >> five > >> >> and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted > Linux code > >> >> or > >> >> one > >> >> line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe > for > >> >> disaster. > >> >> > >> >> --JAK > >> >> -- > >> >> "[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into > that hot > >> >> eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?" > >> >> > >> >> Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Langcom mailing list > >> >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Langcom mailing list > >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Yours sincerely, > > Mahir Morshed > > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign > > B.S. Computer Engineering, May 2019 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >
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Dear Langcom Members,
As of Hindi points of view the content which already have are very usefull. There are no site on internet which provide this type of information. We already made well written content like Principals of Management and Aerospace Engineering etc. Where the content is much better than English Wikiversity. Because where we describe whats do student after 10+2. You can verify it with third party source. The partialy failure of Eng Wikiversity is that because the many sites host learning content in english. But Hindi Wikiversity will be the only place where native get free knowledge in thier language. I am not say you believe me. You can confirm it with third party.
With the respect of time. Hindi Wikiversity will be milestone. Thanks
On 19-Jul-2017 10:20 am, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, People want us to consider the deletion of projects... not happy about it. The consequence for me is that we also look at Wikiversity as a project. Is it viable, is it used. What experiences exist with English Wikipedia ? Thanks, GerardM
On 19 July 2017 at 03:35, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in < https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5% 88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_HI>, for whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well.
With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but well... the project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, improved). Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval.
2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher previously. However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what Wikiversity is for.
Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back.
2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
(Late reply, sorry.)
While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole.
2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com :
Hoi, Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? Thanks, GerardM
On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
> I do think that the community will improve content as the time > progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well. > > But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain > machine translations. Such as > > http://goog_1512637911 > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8 > B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0% > A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0% > E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97 > > Regards > Satdeep Gill > > Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29 > Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians > Treasurer, Affiliations Committee > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee > Member, Language Committee > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee > > On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com > wrote: > >> [https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014 >> /Page_footer] >> See Here. >> >> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote: >> > Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even >> localize the >> > comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being >> addressed >> > slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an >> example. >> > >> > I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not >> sure that >> > there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on >> other >> > Wikimedia projects. >> > >> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash < >> 0freerunning@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I >> have >> >> cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... >> >> ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट]. >> >> >> >> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote: >> >> > To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via >> Phabricator: >> >> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191): >> >> > >> >> > I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern >> Devanagari text >> >> > and >> >> > the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to >> >> > "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial >> intelligence". His >> >> > second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) >> bears only >> >> > a >> >> > link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer >> >> > Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is >> transcluded >> >> > elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to >> >> > @Jayprakash12345 >> >> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s >> >> userpage--maybe it >> >> > is his own email address? >> >> > >> >> > The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is >> indeed >> >> > inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the >> pages are >> >> > linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort >> to even >> >> > localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from >> seeing the >> >> > lack of something more substantial in the way of content >> revolving >> >> > around >> >> > those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 >> being the >> >> only >> >> > consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must >> thus agree >> >> with >> >> > his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. >> My >> >> personal >> >> > opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and >> >> hiwikiquote) >> >> > could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, >> but I >> >> would >> >> > digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site >> requests >> >> > more >> >> > generally here. >> >> > >> >> > (Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging >> from >> >> > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinke >> d/Category: >> >> HI >> >> > that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been >> deleted and >> >> > 2) >> >> > the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.) >> >> > >> >> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp >> >> > <justinkoavf@gmail.com >> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia >> .org/T168765#3376166): >> >> >> >> >> >> Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main >> category has 84 >> >> >> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories >> which are >> >> >> themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >> >> >> wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, >> many of >> >> >> which >> >> >> are just one or two lines, such as >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >> >> >> wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free >> or >> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... >> 14/पेज_फ़ुट >> >> >> which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove >> categories >> >> >> and >> >> >> erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This >> includes >> >> >> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as >> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5... >> /boot.s. >> >> >> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic >> templates >> >> >> and >> >> >> pages like >> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-foo >> ter. >> >> >> The actual amount of content seems like something that one >> person >> >> >> could >> >> >> make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live >> project? >> >> This >> >> >> seems like a misstep. >> >> >> >> >> >> Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 >> pages in >> >> five >> >> >> and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted >> Linux code >> >> >> or >> >> >> one >> >> >> line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe >> for >> >> >> disaster. >> >> >> >> >> >> --JAK >> >> >> -- >> >> >> "[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into >> that hot >> >> >> eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?" >> >> >> >> >> >> Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Langcom mailing list >> >> >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Langcom mailing list >> >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Yours sincerely, >> > Mahir Morshed >> > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign >> > B.S. 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This is my humble Request to langcom. We can hurry in Discussion. Because this taked already long time after creation of task.
On 19-Jul-2017 4:20 pm, "Jay prakash" 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Langcom Members,
As of Hindi points of view the content which alreadyhave are very usefull. There are no site on internet which provide this type of information. We already made well written content like Principals of Management and Aerospace Engineering etc. Where the content is much better than English Wikiversity. Because where we describe whats do student after 10+2. You can verify it with third party source. The partialy failure of Eng Wikiversity is that because the many sites host learning content in english. But Hindi Wikiversity will be the only place where native get free knowledge in thier language. I am not say you believe me. You can confirm it with third party.
With the respect of time. Hindi Wikiversity will be milestone. Thanks
On 19-Jul-2017 10:20 am, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, People want us to consider the deletion of projects... not happy about it. The consequence for me is that we also look at Wikiversity as a project. Is it viable, is it used. What experiences exist with English Wikipedia ? Thanks, GerardM
On 19 July 2017 at 03:35, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in < https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5% 88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_HI>, for whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well.
With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but well... the project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, improved). Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval.
2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher previously. However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what Wikiversity is for.
Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back.
2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
(Late reply, sorry.)
While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole.
2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com >:
> Hoi, > Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by > several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote: > >> I do think that the community will improve content as the time >> progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well. >> >> But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain >> machine translations. Such as >> >> http://goog_1512637911 >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8 >> B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0% >> A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0% >> E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97 >> >> Regards >> Satdeep Gill >> >> Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29 >> Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians >> Treasurer, Affiliations Committee >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee >> Member, Language Committee >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee >> >> On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> [https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014 >>> /Page_footer] >>> See Here. >>> >>> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote: >>> > Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even >>> localize the >>> > comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was >>> being addressed >>> > slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an >>> example. >>> > >>> > I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not >>> sure that >>> > there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on >>> other >>> > Wikimedia projects. >>> > >>> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash < >>> 0freerunning@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> You are showing it that you will not see all those links which >>> I have >>> >> cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... >>> >> ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट]. >>> >> >>> >> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote: >>> >> > To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via >>> Phabricator: >>> >> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191): >>> >> > >>> >> > I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern >>> Devanagari text >>> >> > and >>> >> > the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to >>> >> > "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial >>> intelligence". His >>> >> > second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) >>> bears only >>> >> > a >>> >> > link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer >>> >> > Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is >>> transcluded >>> >> > elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to >>> >> > @Jayprakash12345 >>> >> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s >>> >> userpage--maybe it >>> >> > is his own email address? >>> >> > >>> >> > The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is >>> indeed >>> >> > inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the >>> pages are >>> >> > linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of >>> effort to even >>> >> > localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from >>> seeing the >>> >> > lack of something more substantial in the way of content >>> revolving >>> >> > around >>> >> > those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 >>> being the >>> >> only >>> >> > consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must >>> thus agree >>> >> with >>> >> > his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a >>> disaster. My >>> >> personal >>> >> > opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and >>> >> hiwikiquote) >>> >> > could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this >>> point, but I >>> >> would >>> >> > digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site >>> requests >>> >> > more >>> >> > generally here. >>> >> > >>> >> > (Edits since the original comment was made: It appears >>> judging from >>> >> > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinke >>> d/Category: >>> >> HI >>> >> > that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been >>> deleted and >>> >> > 2) >>> >> > the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.) >>> >> > >>> >> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp >>> >> > <justinkoavf@gmail.com >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia >>> .org/T168765#3376166): >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main >>> category has 84 >>> >> >> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories >>> which are >>> >> >> themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >>> >> >> wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, >>> many of >>> >> >> which >>> >> >> are just one or two lines, such as >>> https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >>> >> >> wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free >>> or >>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... >>> 14/पेज_फ़ुट >>> >> >> which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove >>> categories >>> >> >> and >>> >> >> erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This >>> includes >>> >> >> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as >>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5... >>> /boot.s. >>> >> >> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic >>> templates >>> >> >> and >>> >> >> pages like >>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-foo >>> ter. >>> >> >> The actual amount of content seems like something that one >>> person >>> >> >> could >>> >> >> make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live >>> project? >>> >> This >>> >> >> seems like a misstep. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 >>> pages in >>> >> five >>> >> >> and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted >>> Linux code >>> >> >> or >>> >> >> one >>> >> >> line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a >>> recipe for >>> >> >> disaster. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> --JAK >>> >> >> -- >>> >> >> "[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling >>> into that hot >>> >> >> eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?" >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua >>> >> >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> Langcom mailing list >>> >> >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Langcom mailing list >>> >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Yours sincerely, >>> > Mahir Morshed >>> > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign >>> > B.S. 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Indeed we should, this is already taking embarrasingly long. Do any other members plan to review the test-wiki content?
2017-07-20 3:58 GMT+02:00 Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com:
This is my humble Request to langcom. We can hurry in Discussion. Because this taked already long time after creation of task.
On 19-Jul-2017 4:20 pm, "Jay prakash" 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Langcom Members,
As of Hindi points of view the content which alreadyhave are very usefull. There are no site on internet which provide this type of information. We already made well written content like Principals of Management and Aerospace Engineering etc. Where the content is much better than English Wikiversity. Because where we describe whats do student after 10+2. You can verify it with third party source. The partialy failure of Eng Wikiversity is that because the many sites host learning content in english. But Hindi Wikiversity will be the only place where native get free knowledge in thier language. I am not say you believe me. You can confirm it with third party.
With the respect of time. Hindi Wikiversity will be milestone. Thanks
On 19-Jul-2017 10:20 am, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, People want us to consider the deletion of projects... not happy about it. The consequence for me is that we also look at Wikiversity as a project. Is it viable, is it used. What experiences exist with English Wikipedia ? Thanks, GerardM
On 19 July 2017 at 03:35, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in < https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5% 88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_HI>, for whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well.
With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but well... the project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, improved). Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval.
2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher previously. However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what Wikiversity is for.
Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back.
2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
> (Late reply, sorry.) > > While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I > don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the > creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether > the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy > enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the > individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole. > > 2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>: > >> Hoi, >> Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by >> several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> I do think that the community will improve content as the time >>> progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well. >>> >>> But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain >>> machine translations. Such as >>> >>> http://goog_1512637911 >>> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8 >>> B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0% >>> A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0% >>> E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97 >>> >>> Regards >>> Satdeep Gill >>> >>> Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29 >>> Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians >>> Treasurer, Affiliations Committee >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee >>> Member, Language Committee >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee >>> >>> On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> [https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014 >>>> /Page_footer] >>>> See Here. >>>> >>>> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote: >>>> > Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even >>>> localize the >>>> > comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was >>>> being addressed >>>> > slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an >>>> example. >>>> > >>>> > I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am >>>> not sure that >>>> > there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on >>>> other >>>> > Wikimedia projects. >>>> > >>>> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash < >>>> 0freerunning@gmail.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> You are showing it that you will not see all those links which >>>> I have >>>> >> cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... >>>> >> ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट]. >>>> >> >>>> >> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote: >>>> >> > To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via >>>> Phabricator: >>>> >> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191): >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern >>>> Devanagari text >>>> >> > and >>>> >> > the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to >>>> >> > "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial >>>> intelligence". His >>>> >> > second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) >>>> bears only >>>> >> > a >>>> >> > link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer >>>> >> > Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is >>>> transcluded >>>> >> > elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to >>>> >> > @Jayprakash12345 >>>> >> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s >>>> >> userpage--maybe it >>>> >> > is his own email address? >>>> >> > >>>> >> > The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is >>>> indeed >>>> >> > inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the >>>> pages are >>>> >> > linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of >>>> effort to even >>>> >> > localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from >>>> seeing the >>>> >> > lack of something more substantial in the way of content >>>> revolving >>>> >> > around >>>> >> > those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 >>>> being the >>>> >> only >>>> >> > consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must >>>> thus agree >>>> >> with >>>> >> > his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a >>>> disaster. My >>>> >> personal >>>> >> > opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource >>>> and >>>> >> hiwikiquote) >>>> >> > could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this >>>> point, but I >>>> >> would >>>> >> > digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site >>>> requests >>>> >> > more >>>> >> > generally here. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > (Edits since the original comment was made: It appears >>>> judging from >>>> >> > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinke >>>> d/Category: >>>> >> HI >>>> >> > that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been >>>> deleted and >>>> >> > 2) >>>> >> > the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.) >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp >>>> >> > <justinkoavf@gmail.com >>>> >> >> wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia >>>> .org/T168765#3376166): >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main >>>> category has 84 >>>> >> >> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have >>>> subcategories which are >>>> >> >> themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >>>> >> >> wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, >>>> many of >>>> >> >> which >>>> >> >> are just one or two lines, such as >>>> https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >>>> >> >> wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free >>>> or >>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/w >>>> iki/कंप्यूटर_ग्राफिक्स/2013-2014/पेज_फ़ुट >>>> >> >> which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove >>>> categories >>>> >> >> and >>>> >> >> erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. >>>> This includes >>>> >> >> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as >>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/w >>>> iki/लिनक्स/linux-0.01.tar/boot/boot.s. >>>> >> >> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic >>>> templates >>>> >> >> and >>>> >> >> pages like >>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/w >>>> iki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. >>>> >> >> The actual amount of content seems like something that one >>>> person >>>> >> >> could >>>> >> >> make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live >>>> project? >>>> >> This >>>> >> >> seems like a misstep. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 >>>> pages in >>>> >> five >>>> >> >> and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted >>>> Linux code >>>> >> >> or >>>> >> >> one >>>> >> >> line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a >>>> recipe for >>>> >> >> disaster. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> --JAK >>>> >> >> -- >>>> >> >> "[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling >>>> into that hot >>>> >> >> eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?" >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> >> Langcom mailing list >>>> >> >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -- >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Langcom mailing list >>>> >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Yours sincerely, >>>> > Mahir Morshed >>>> > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign >>>> > B.S. 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This should move forward.
On 20 Jul 2017, at 22:04, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
Indeed we should, this is already taking embarrasingly long. Do any other members plan to review the test-wiki content?
2017-07-20 3:58 GMT+02:00 Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com: This is my humble Request to langcom. We can hurry in Discussion. Because this taked already long time after creation of task.
On 19-Jul-2017 4:20 pm, "Jay prakash" 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote: Dear Langcom Members,
As of Hindi points of view the content which already have are very usefull. There are no site on internet which provide this type of information. We already made well written content like Principals of Management and Aerospace Engineering etc. Where the content is much better than English Wikiversity. Because where we describe whats do student after 10+2. You can verify it with third party source. The partialy failure of Eng Wikiversity is that because the many sites host learning content in english. But Hindi Wikiversity will be the only place where native get free knowledge in thier language. I am not say you believe me. You can confirm it with third party.With the respect of time. Hindi Wikiversity will be milestone. Thanks
On 19-Jul-2017 10:20 am, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, People want us to consider the deletion of projects... not happy about it. The consequence for me is that we also look at Wikiversity as a project. Is it viable, is it used. What experiences exist with English Wikipedia ? Thanks, GerardM
On 19 July 2017 at 03:35, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote: StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5%88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_HI, for whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well.
With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but well... the project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, improved). Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval.
2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com: I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher previously. However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what Wikiversity is for.
Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back.
2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com: Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com: (Late reply, sorry.)
While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole.
2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com: Hoi, Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? Thanks, GerardM
On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote: I do think that the community will improve content as the time progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well.
But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine translations. Such as
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5...
Regards Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee Member, Language Committee
On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote: [https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014/Page_footer] See Here.
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even localize the comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being addressed slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an example.
I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure that there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other Wikimedia projects.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text and the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence". His second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears only a link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to @Jayprakash12345 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s
userpage--maybe it
is his own email address?
The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to even localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing the lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving around those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being the
only
consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus agree
with
his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My
personal
opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and
hiwikiquote)
could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I
would
digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests more generally here.
(Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:
HI
that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted and 2) the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp <justinkoavf@gmail.com
wrote:
Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166):
Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84 subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which are themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of which are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories and erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5.... Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates and pages like https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. The actual amount of content seems like something that one person could make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project?
This
seems like a misstep.
Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in
five
and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code or one line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for disaster.
--JAK
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I plan to review the content over the weekend and let us move forward with the task next week.
Regards Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee Member, Language Committee
On 21-Jul-2017, at 7:03 AM, Michael Everson everson@evertype.com wrote:
This should move forward.
On 20 Jul 2017, at 22:04, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
Indeed we should, this is already taking embarrasingly long. Do any other members plan to review the test-wiki content?
2017-07-20 3:58 GMT+02:00 Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com: This is my humble Request to langcom. We can hurry in Discussion. Because this taked already long time after creation of task.
On 19-Jul-2017 4:20 pm, "Jay prakash" 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote: Dear Langcom Members,
As of Hindi points of view the content which already have are very usefull. There are no site on internet which provide this type of information. We already made well written content like Principals of Management and Aerospace Engineering etc. Where the content is much better than English Wikiversity. Because where we describe whats do student after 10+2. You can verify it with third party source. The partialy failure of Eng Wikiversity is that because the many sites host learning content in english. But Hindi Wikiversity will be the only place where native get free knowledge in thier language. I am not say you believe me. You can confirm it with third party.With the respect of time. Hindi Wikiversity will be milestone. Thanks
On 19-Jul-2017 10:20 am, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, People want us to consider the deletion of projects... not happy about it. The consequence for me is that we also look at Wikiversity as a project. Is it viable, is it used. What experiences exist with English Wikipedia ? Thanks, GerardM
On 19 July 2017 at 03:35, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote: StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5%88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_HI, for whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well.
With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but well... the project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, improved). Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval.
2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com: I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher previously. However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what Wikiversity is for.
Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back.
2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com: Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com: (Late reply, sorry.)
While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole.
2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com: Hoi, Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? Thanks, GerardM
On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote: I do think that the community will improve content as the time progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well.
But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine translations. Such as
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5...
Regards Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee Member, Language Committee
On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote: [https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014/Page_footer] See Here.
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote: Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even localize the comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being addressed slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an example.
I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure that there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other Wikimedia projects.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote: To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text and the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence". His second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears only a link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to @Jayprakash12345 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s
userpage--maybe it
is his own email address?
The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to even localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing the lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving around those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being the
only
consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus agree
with
his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My
personal
opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and
hiwikiquote)
could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I
would
digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests more generally here.
(Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:
HI
that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted and 2) the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp <justinkoavf@gmail.com
wrote:
Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166):
Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84 subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which are themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of which are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4... which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories and erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5.... Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates and pages like https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. The actual amount of content seems like something that one person could make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project?
This
seems like a misstep.
Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in
five
and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code or one line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for disaster.
--JAK
"[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into that hot eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?"
Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua
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I have reviewed some content on the project. It is fair enough and I think we can proceed with the creation of the project.
Regards Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29 Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee Member, Language Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
On 21 July 2017 at 07:46, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
I plan to review the content over the weekend and let us move forward with the task next week.
Regards Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29 Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee Member, Language Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
On 21-Jul-2017, at 7:03 AM, Michael Everson everson@evertype.com wrote:
This should move forward.
On 20 Jul 2017, at 22:04, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
Indeed we should, this is already taking embarrasingly long. Do any other members plan to review the test-wiki content?
2017-07-20 3:58 GMT+02:00 Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com:
This is my humble Request to langcom. We can hurry in Discussion. Because this taked already long time after creation of task.
On 19-Jul-2017 4:20 pm, "Jay prakash" 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Langcom Members,
As of Hindi points of view the content which alreadyhave are very usefull. There are no site on internet which provide this type of information. We already made well written content like Principals of Management and Aerospace Engineering etc. Where the content is much better than English Wikiversity. Because where we describe whats do student after 10+2. You can verify it with third party source. The partialy failure of Eng Wikiversity is that because the many sites host learning content in english. But Hindi Wikiversity will be the only place where native get free knowledge in thier language. I am not say you believe me. You can confirm it with third party.
With the respect of time. Hindi Wikiversity will be milestone. Thanks
On 19-Jul-2017 10:20 am, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
People want us to consider the deletion of projects... not happy about it. The consequence for me is that we also look at Wikiversity as a project. Is it viable, is it used. What experiences exist with English Wikipedia ?
Thanks,
GerardMOn 19 July 2017 at 03:35, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in < https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5% 88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_HI>, for whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well.
With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but well... the project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, improved).
Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval.
2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher previously.
However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what Wikiversity is for.
Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back.
2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
(Late reply, sorry.)
While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole.
2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi,
Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used?
Thanks,
GerardMOn 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
I do think that the community will improve content as the time progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well.
But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine translations. Such as
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5% 8B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87% E0%A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4% B0%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97
Regards
Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation
Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians
Treasurer, Affiliations Committee
Member, Language Committee
On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014/Page_footer]
See Here.
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even localize the
comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being addressed
slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an example.
I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure that
there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other
Wikimedia projects.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com
wrote:
You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have
cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4...
ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text
and
the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to
"Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence". His
second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears only
a
link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer
Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded
elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to
@Jayprakash12345
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s
userpage--maybe it
is his own email address?
The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed
inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are
linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to even
localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing the
lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving
around
those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being the
only
consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus agree
with
his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My
personal
opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and
hiwikiquote)
could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I
would
digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests
more
generally here.
(Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:
HI
that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted and
the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp
<justinkoavf@gmail.com
wrote:
Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166):
Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84
subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which are
themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/
wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of
which
are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/
wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4...
which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories
and
erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes
almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5....
Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates
and
pages like
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer.
The actual amount of content seems like something that one person
could
make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project?
This
seems like a misstep.
Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in
five
and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code
or
one
line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for
disaster.
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I have asked for the creation process to be continued on Phabricator.
2017-07-22 17:45 GMT+02:00 Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com:
I have reviewed some content on the project. It is fair enough and I think we can proceed with the creation of the project.
Regards Satdeep Gill
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On 21 July 2017 at 07:46, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
I plan to review the content over the weekend and let us move forward with the task next week.
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On 21-Jul-2017, at 7:03 AM, Michael Everson everson@evertype.com wrote:
This should move forward.
On 20 Jul 2017, at 22:04, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
Indeed we should, this is already taking embarrasingly long. Do any other members plan to review the test-wiki content?
2017-07-20 3:58 GMT+02:00 Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com:
This is my humble Request to langcom. We can hurry in Discussion. Because this taked already long time after creation of task.
On 19-Jul-2017 4:20 pm, "Jay prakash" 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Langcom Members,
As of Hindi points of view the content which alreadyhave are very usefull. There are no site on internet which provide this type of information. We already made well written content like Principals of Management and Aerospace Engineering etc. Where the content is much better than English Wikiversity. Because where we describe whats do student after 10+2. You can verify it with third party source. The partialy failure of Eng Wikiversity is that because the many sites host learning content in english. But Hindi Wikiversity will be the only place where native get free knowledge in thier language. I am not say you believe me. You can confirm it with third party.
With the respect of time. Hindi Wikiversity will be milestone. Thanks
On 19-Jul-2017 10:20 am, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
People want us to consider the deletion of projects... not happy about it. The consequence for me is that we also look at Wikiversity as a project. Is it viable, is it used. What experiences exist with English Wikipedia ?
Thanks,
GerardMOn 19 July 2017 at 03:35, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in < https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5% 88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_HI>, for whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well.
With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but well... the project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, improved).
Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval.
2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher previously.
However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what Wikiversity is for.
Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back.
2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
(Late reply, sorry.)
While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole.
2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi,
Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used?
Thanks,
GerardMOn 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
I do think that the community will improve content as the time progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well.
But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine translations. Such as
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8 B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0% A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0% E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97
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Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation
Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians
Treasurer, Affiliations Committee
Member, Language Committee
On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014/Page_footer]
See Here.
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even localize the
comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being addressed
slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an example.
I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure that
there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other
Wikimedia projects.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com
wrote:
You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have
cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4...
ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text
and
the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to
"Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence". His
second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears only
a
link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer
Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded
elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to
@Jayprakash12345
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s
userpage--maybe it
is his own email address?
The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed
inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are
linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to even
localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing the
lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving
around
those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being the
only
consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus agree
with
his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My
personal
opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and
hiwikiquote)
could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I
would
digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests
more
generally here.
(Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:
HI
that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted and
the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp
<justinkoavf@gmail.com
wrote:
Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166):
Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84
subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which are
themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/
wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of
which
are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/
wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4...
which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories
and
erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes
almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5....
Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates
and
pages like
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer.
The actual amount of content seems like something that one person
could
make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project?
This
seems like a misstep.
Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in
five
and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code
or
one
line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for
disaster.
--JAK
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eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?"
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2017-07-19 6:50 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, People want us to consider the deletion of projects... not happy about it.
That's what people do, alas. However it's the topic of another thread.
The consequence for me is that we also look at Wikiversity as a project. Is it viable, is it used.
Looking at whether a whole project (not just a single language version) is viable is out of our scope.
What experiences exist with English Wikipedia ?
Afaik, English Wikipedia is a very active project.