I echo Amir.
On 8 Mar 2013 06:42, "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il>
wrote:
Hi Nikhil, and everyone else,
I thought about writing a detailed reply about how that article is
exaggerated ("*Nobody* wants to edit anymore"? Really, nobody?), and
how the problems that you describe are just one side of the story
(because the bureaucracy may be annoying, but it's a necessary evil,
bla, bla, bla), but I decided to write something else:
You don't like the over-bureaucratic English Wikipedia?
Fine.
Do you know a language other than English? If you're in India, then
you probably do.
Go to the Wikipedia in that language and edit it.
It may have some issues, too - bureaucracy, political arguments,
"wheel wars" - but these issues are guaranteed to be smaller that they
are in the English Wikipedia.
And besides, Wikipedia in ANY language other than English needs more
articles, more writers, and more love. The people who speak that
language will appreciate you immensely. Maybe they won't tell you
directly that they appreciate it immensely, but I promise you that
they will.
--
Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
http://aharoni.wordpress.com
“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2013/3/6 Nikhil Sheth <nikhil.js(a)gmail.com>om>:
Sharing an article I came across on Daily Dot
(followed it from the
vandalism article shared in an earlier mail), dated January 04, 2013
Nobody wants to edit Wikipedia anymore :
http://www.dailydot.com/business/wikipedia-editors-decline-wikimedia-fellow…
excerpt (and I've underlined what I found significant):
That's the question Wikipedia leaders and social science researchers are
tackling. They've documented a drastic decline in the retention of new
Wikipedia editors over the last five years.
A new study published in the American Behavioral Science Journal by
former
Wikimedia Fellows says Wikipedia has lost some 30
percent of its
English-language editors since 2006, as a result of off-putting automated
rejections, restrictive new rules, and controlling older editors.
"What was most surprising was the scale of the problem," lead researcher
Aaron Halfaker told the Daily Dot.
Founded in 2001, Wikipedia was a first-of-its-kind experiment in online
collaboration. Anyone who desired could sign up and become an editor,
contributing to any of the site's entries, which now include more than 23
million topics. This openness allowed Wikipedia to cover a much wider
range
of subjects than a traditional encyclopedia, but
it also made the
project a
source of criticism for its frequency of
misinformation, either through
accidental mistakes or deliberate vandalism.
That's why Wikipedia instituted new rules in 2007 to improve the quality
of
information, but according to Halfaker, these
same rules have driven away
more than just the unwanted vandals.
In 2006, only about 6 percent of "quality" new editors had their
contributions rejected—a.k.a. "reverted" in Wikipedia lingo. In 2010, the
number of contributions by new editors were being reverted at a rate of
1-in-4 by senior editors and the site's own automated response systems.
Halfaker said that as a result, only about 11 percent of new editors have
been staying on past their first two months, driving down the total
number
of contributors to the site. He said part of that
has to do with the
"nasty"
initial experience many new editors have.
If you're a new Wikipedia editor, the first message you get is usually
from
a bot or a semi-automated editing tool. It'll
warn you of such issues as
"lack of sources" or "blanking" and is designed to deter vandals or
"bad-faith editors."
(sorry some links from the article were lost in this paste.. do see the
original..)
I recently blogged a rant about this myself:
Go a little easy on people who are starting to contribute; love,
encourage and forgive them instead of being so critical and punishing.
Create page-tags/templates that can illustrate the fact that it's a
work-in-progress, assign this status by default on new articles so a
newbie isn't expected to already have advanced skills (which is a
stupid, stupid thing wikipedia is doing right now. Adding references and
templates is difficult, period. Don't expect a person with less than 50
edit counts to know or even want to learn about it). When a visitor
comes at a page, maybe an age or number of edits can be displayed at the
top to convey an idea of how mature or immature the article is.
Having permanent-tenure editors is as bad an idea as having permanent
bureaucrats or government leaders: There should be limited terms and
off-periods between them and retirement times; that will be good for the
editing community and will encourage editors to pass the baton on rather
than be in a permanent status contest of entrenchment, edit-counts,
deletions etc that I see at present. I got totally turned off at the
last wikipedia meetup I attended in my city when people started showing
off their edit-counts and were treating them like army medals. Many of
the veteran editors today would never have participated in Wikipedia if
they'd faced the kind of treatment given to newbies today. Obviously,
this is an unsustainable model and headed for collapse when the present
generation of editors dies out. Remove any element of competition; there
is no such thing as healthy competition. There is no need for
wikipedia's editors to have an obsessive compulsive quality control
behaviour : we are NOT competing with peer-reviewed journals or
mainstream publications; we are NOT supposed to be 100% accurate
"no-matter-what". That much is obvious in the disclaimers; we need to
remind the editors lobby about it. Quality is achieved through time,
love, room for experimentation and prolonged attention; not through
rushed editing and deletions. Beware of throwing out the baby with the
bathwater.
-------
I can expect what the standard set of responses to this would be.
I should not rant.
Wikipedia has standards.
Don't blame the system for your weakness.
Only the worthy shall find the grail.
So and so textbook definition of so and so rule or word.
The iceberg hasn't hit any of the Indian ships yet so we're ok, full
steam
ahead.
Yatta yatta. But I suspect I still won't find anything that addresses the
core issue : Why am I and so many others turned off by wikipedia's
defence
mechanism and its assumption that everyone out
there wants to steal its
preciousss? Why is no outreach programme or training workshop going to
work
on me?
I can see some parallels here: with the setting in of rigid structures,
things take a downturn and the ones at the top/center get full of it.
And to
control things they end up designing mechanisms
that only end up
prosecuting
the innocent. Everywhere : schools, governments,
societies, NGOs,
companies,
families, even wikipedia. The only place I
don't see rigidity setting in
with time is Nature : obviously she realized some merits of disorder
that we
haven't grasped yet.
But I will still keep asking:
Had all these bots and senior editors and all this mind-boggling
complicatedness been present when Wikipedia began, would it ever have
taken
off?
Where in all the asap-reversions and immediate judgements is there any
desire for long-term sustainability?
Why would any organisation on this planet even have limited terms and
retirement ages for their executive members if they weren't necessary?
Why is flowing out not seen as a natural precondition to flowing in?
When has the relentless pursuit of perfection, at the cost of human
connections and vulnerability, made anyone happy?
Why does wikipedia today look more like it is ruled by fear than by love?
--
Cheers,
Nikhil Sheth
+91-966-583-1250
Udaipur/Pune, India
Self-designed learner at Swaraj University
http://www.nikhilsheth.tk
http://www.facebook.com/nikjs
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