Even I have tried to reach them on all these fronts and didn't work !
If the India chapter wants to help us on this, there is nothing more to make a few like us very happy ! :)
Regards Tinu Cherian
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Naveen Francis naveenpf@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
I have send a mail to them; as always no reply from them.
Posted the same request on the wall of Census2011
http://www.facebook.com/Census2011
If you have fb account try to convey the same message on facebook wall; then they will notice and respond back if we are lucky. It has worked for few sites .
till then let us use this pdf as the base.
Thanks, Naveen Francis
On 8 June 2011 14:54, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
Hi Ravi:
Personally, I am all for Fair Dealing/Use activism but the problem has been with the folk on Commons, no? That they keep deleting stuff?
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://social.prathambooks.org/
On 8 June 2011 14:51, Ravishankar ravidreams@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Sometime before, we used the word meanings from a technical glossary provided by Tamil Virtual University for the Tamil Wiktionary project. Our rational is that only the presentation can be copyrighted and not the word or meaning. If the word or meaning itself is copyrighted, then there is no point in providing that word itself. Two years later after this initiative, we got the glossary donated to us formally. So, the copyright issue doesn't arise any more.
Most Governments and public institutions do mean to provide data for public use though they are not aware of Wikipedia compatible license. We can try contacting them and hope to get a favourable response. But, the legal and bureaucratic hurdles need not stop us from delaying our initiatives for too long. While I do understand the legal and philosophical significance of proper license to publish things, sometimes we also need to be bold and use things for larger good. Governments have many other jobs than suing us everyday !
Ravi
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.orgwrote:
Vickram, in my opinion and that of a friend, asking for a voluntary license (18,19,30A) along with the fact that it is a transformative use is probably the best bet. If not, fair dealing but that does leave us open to a legal challenge. Aside from this, there is the issue that even if we did get a license, we then do not have the ability to re-license it out under a CC-BY-SA license as required by Wikipedia and that would also run afoul of the fair dealing clause.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://social.prathambooks.org/
On 8 June 2011 05:17, Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org
wrote:
On 8 June 2011 01:03, Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com
wrote:
My reading is that the Census Authority is very much a part of government. A question that I have been thinking about is whether census data (in the raw form and not the presentation) is capable of being copyrighted.
Aside from the supposition that the raw data is not in fact
copyrightable in
the first place, which is probably true, even if never tested, the law clearly provides for grant of permission for data to be represented in another form, such as sound or visual forms. It seems clear that the provisions of copyright (the sections are too tediously long and
legally
worded to reproduce here) are precisely applicable only to the form in
which
the information is presented by the author(s). Moreover, if the
presentation
of census data as published by the CA is in fact taken to be a design
form
as defined by the Design Act 1911 (but to be frank I haven't looked at
what
that creature is), then the copyright ceases as soon as 50 copies are circulated, which has obviously already happened if the data is
online.
I believe that mapped data represents precisely such alternate forms, especially if it is dynamically presented (but even if it is not).
Making it
dynamic is of course a highly useful form, one that I do not believe
the
census authority has yet conceived. The census authority cannot refuse permission for such presentation. If they do not publish the
information as
is planned by our colleagues, then their copyright effectively lapses
in any
case, for which proof an advertisement saying that (ie that no mapped
data
as has been proposed has been published) must be published in a
popular
newspaper (in English newspaper, for English language mapping,
vernacular
for vernacular mapping). Unfortunately, it says nothing (that I can
find)
about a public announcement on the Net, so maybe this advertisement
stuff in
newspapers is the only path. It seems that one must apply in the prescribed form for licensing permission, but also note that it is not possible to refuse permission
for
such applications, if the end use is scientific research or
educational, and
also for non-commercial purposes, provided the end use is in the form
of a
translation. However, this permission is only automatic after 3 and 7
years
(subject to relevant conditions) from the date of first publication.
Even
here, I put it that the date of first publication is the date when the
first
Census was published, and not the current census. I think that would
take it
back to the early 20th century, and perhaps that might also mean that
the
government does not (heh, heh) in fact have the right to exclusive
copyright
of census data (even for the 'upgraded' 60 year copyright). The relevant clauses are:
- Specificity: Sec 14
- Design: Sec 15(2)
- Government ownership: Sec 17(d) and (dd)
- Compulsory licensing: Sec 31 (note that the RoC may assign some
copyright
fee payable to the government, but prima facie it is unlikely they
will do
so in this case) 5. Automatic permission for translations etc: Sec 32 (sec 5(b)
specifically
provides for 'broadcasting') 6. Automatic permission for technical stuff: Sec 32A 7. Right to broadcast: Sec 37 (worth checking!) 8. Automatic visual recording for teaching: Sec 39 9. Possible challenge to government copyright of census data: Sec 44 (register of copyrights: quite possible that the census information
has not
been registered under the Act, and if so makes it impossible for the government to take action against any form of infringement - sec 50A provides for publication of registrations in the Gazette) 10. Fair use: Sec 52 a(i) etc -- Vickram Fool On The Hill
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