Hi all,
I'm sending this statement on behalf of the WMUK Board:
--
As some members of Wikimedia UK will know, our Chair, Ashley Van Haeften, user name Fae, has been the subject of sanctions by the Arbitration Committee of the English Wikipedia (Arbcom), the volunteer committee that exists to provide binding remedies to Wikipedia disputes. In particular, he has been banned from editing the English language Wikipedia for at least the next six months, after which he can appeal the ban.
The Board of Wikimedia UK notes the decision of Arbcom.
The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his role as a Trustee of the charity. His work at Wikimedia UK has always been enthusiastic and diligent. In particular, his knowledge of charity governance, and his ability to bring about consensus at WMUK's board meetings, have been particularly valuable.
The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues to have the full support of the Board.
--
Thanks, Mike Peel Secretary, Wikimedia UK
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent charitable organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No. 1144513. The Registered Office is at 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT, United Kingdom.
Is this going to be published somewhere other than on this list, which recently became a non-public list? On Jul 27, 2012 5:03 AM, "Michael Peel" michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all,
I'm sending this statement on behalf of the WMUK Board:
--
As some members of Wikimedia UK will know, our Chair, Ashley Van Haeften, user name Fae, has been the subject of sanctions by the Arbitration Committee of the English Wikipedia (Arbcom), the volunteer committee that exists to provide binding remedies to Wikipedia disputes. In particular, he has been banned from editing the English language Wikipedia for at least the next six months, after which he can appeal the ban.
The Board of Wikimedia UK notes the decision of Arbcom.
The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his role as a Trustee of the charity. His work at Wikimedia UK has always been enthusiastic and diligent. In particular, his knowledge of charity governance, and his ability to bring about consensus at WMUK's board meetings, have been particularly valuable.
The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues to have the full support of the Board.
--
Thanks, Mike Peel Secretary, Wikimedia UK
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent charitable organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No. 1144513. The Registered Office is at 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT, United Kingdom.
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On 27 July 2012 00:10, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
Is this going to be published somewhere other than on this list, which recently became a non-public list?
It is a public list. Anyone can subscribe.
The archives are restricted to list members, despite a clear consensus being established that they shouldn't be, though. Can a list admin please fix that?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l says its a private list On Jul 27, 2012 6:16 AM, "Thomas Dalton" thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 July 2012 00:10, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
Is this going to be published somewhere other than on this list, which recently became a non-public list?
It is a public list. Anyone can subscribe.
The archives are restricted to list members, despite a clear consensus being established that they shouldn't be, though. Can a list admin please fix that?
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
On 27 July 2012 00:26, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l says its a private list
It says: "This is a private list, which means that the list of members is not available to non-members."
That is a very specific meaning of "private". It only refers to the list of members and, since anyone can subscribe and then see the list, it really isn't very private at all. (I don't know why the list is private - it should be made public since there is no purpose served by having it be private.)
At the risk of overloading this thread with Australians, I subscribed a couple of weeks ago to this list (nothing special about the UK though, I subscribed to most of the English-language regional lists to keep abreast of what's going on globally GLAM-wise), with no problems. So anyone who might be interested could potentially come here, although I'm sure this statement will be of interest beyond just the subscribers to this mailing list.
Cheers, Craig Franklin
On 27/07/2012, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 July 2012 00:26, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l says its a private list
It says: "This is a private list, which means that the list of members is not available to non-members."
That is a very specific meaning of "private". It only refers to the list of members and, since anyone can subscribe and then see the list, it really isn't very private at all. (I don't know why the list is private - it should be made public since there is no purpose served by having it be private.)
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 July 2012 00:26, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l says its a private list
It says: "This is a private list, which means that the list of members is not available to non-members."
That is a very specific meaning of "private". It only refers to the list of members and, since anyone can subscribe and then see the list, it really isn't very private at all. (I don't know why the list is private - it should be made public since there is no purpose served by having it be private.)
It isn't public. The software considers it private. Emails to the list can be claimed to have been sent under the assumption that it isn't going to be published on the web.
This was previously discussed in thread "List archives" from March 29 to April 11, where list admin & UK trustee Mike Peel promised to restore the list to being a public list in three days (i.e. April 14) after he had removed any problematic emails.(7B53A90E-3A36-4737-BE50-FC23295F05A1@wikimedia.org.uk)
This was followed by Fae saying he would unsubscribe if it was restored to being a public list.(CAHRYMYXVd0RkFduwVYRjoth=BB8aP3DLnf87jv+_50fURCGRrw@mail.gmail.com)
-- John Vandenberg
On 27 July 2012 01:21, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
It isn't public. The software considers it private. Emails to the list can be claimed to have been sent under the assumption that it isn't going to be published on the web.
Who cares what the software thinks? Anyone can subscribe and get instant access. It's public
This was previously discussed in thread "List archives" from March 29 to April 11
I suggest you take a look at who started that thread...
I have forwarded the statement to wikimedia-l. Seddon
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 01:23:41 +0100 From: thomas.dalton@gmail.com To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK
On 27 July 2012 01:21, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
It isn't public. The software considers it private. Emails to the list can be claimed to have been sent under the assumption that it isn't going to be published on the web.
Who cares what the software thinks? Anyone can subscribe and get instant access. It's public
This was previously discussed in thread "List archives" from March 29 to April 11
I suggest you take a look at who started that thread...
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 July 2012 01:21, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
It isn't public. The software considers it private. Emails to the list can be claimed to have been sent under the assumption that it isn't going to be published on the web.
Who cares what the software thinks? Anyone can subscribe and get instant access. It's public
This was previously discussed in thread "List archives" from March 29 to April 11
I suggest you take a look at who started that thread...
I'm more interested in why, three and a half months later, the list is still private?
And when this will be rectified?
Andrew Turvey quit as list admin on 31 May, according to thread 'Listadmin wanted for wikimediauk-l', making the list admins David Gerard, James Forrester, Mike Peel and Richard Symonds.
thehelpfulone replaced Andrew Turvey as list admin.
Between 31 May and today, Mike Peel has also stopped being a list admin.
The list admins are currently James Forrester, David Gerard, Richard Symonds and thehelpfulonewiki. At least one of them hold a full time position to tackle tasks that benefit the UK chapter, and I think that fixing the private status of this list should be considered one of them.
-- John Vandenberg
We're waiting on a reply from the WMF, as it's their list, not the chapters. We asked them to delete a couple of posts before everything goes fully open. No response from them yet, but once the WMF deletes those posts, we can move forward :-)
Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On Jul 27, 2012 5:08 AM, "John Vandenberg" jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 July 2012 01:21, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
It isn't public. The software considers it private. Emails to the list can be claimed to have been sent under the assumption that it isn't going to be published on the web.
Who cares what the software thinks? Anyone can subscribe and get instant access. It's public
This was previously discussed in thread "List archives" from March 29 to April 11
I suggest you take a look at who started that thread...
I'm more interested in why, three and a half months later, the list is still private?
And when this will be rectified?
Andrew Turvey quit as list admin on 31 May, according to thread 'Listadmin wanted for wikimediauk-l', making the list admins David Gerard, James Forrester, Mike Peel and Richard Symonds.
thehelpfulone replaced Andrew Turvey as list admin.
Between 31 May and today, Mike Peel has also stopped being a list admin.
The list admins are currently James Forrester, David Gerard, Richard Symonds and thehelpfulonewiki. At least one of them hold a full time position to tackle tasks that benefit the UK chapter, and I think that fixing the private status of this list should be considered one of them.
-- John Vandenberg
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
We're waiting on a reply from the WMF, as it's their list, not the chapters. We asked them to delete a couple of posts before everything goes fully open. No response from them yet, but once the WMF deletes those posts, we can move forward :-)
Who did you contact? Daniel Zahn is the one who should be able to help you with that, so if you'd like to speed things up, drop him an e-mail: dzahn [at] wikimedia [dot] org.
Thanks - we're talking to Philippe but there's no movement as yet. I'll get in touch with Daniel :-)
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On 27 July 2012 14:36, Casey Brown lists@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
We're waiting on a reply from the WMF, as it's their list, not the chapters. We asked them to delete a couple of posts before everything
goes
fully open. No response from them yet, but once the WMF deletes those
posts,
we can move forward :-)
Who did you contact? Daniel Zahn is the one who should be able to help you with that, so if you'd like to speed things up, drop him an e-mail: dzahn [at] wikimedia [dot] org.
-- Casey Brown (Cbrown1023) caseybrown.org
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:
Is this going to be published somewhere other than on this list, which recently became a non-public list?
Yes, it forms part of the minutes of our board meeting this evening, which are normally published on our wiki shortly after the meeting.
Regards,
Chris
Yes, it forms part of the minutes of our board meeting this evening, which are normally published on our wiki shortly after the meeting.
Indeed, it's already there: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Minutes_26Jul12
Just FYI, the mobile version of our site doesn't work :-(
Tom Morton
I spotted that the other day... it redirects to uk.m.wikimedia.org...
I'll drop an email to the other chapters and see if anyone else is having similar problems, then we can approach the WMF together.
On 27 July 2012 08:05, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Just FYI, the mobile version of our site doesn't work :-(
Tom Morton
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Have just taken it to the general chapters list :-)
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On 27 July 2012 12:14, Richard Symonds chasemewiki@gmail.com wrote:
I spotted that the other day... it redirects to uk.m.wikimedia.org...
I'll drop an email to the other chapters and see if anyone else is having similar problems, then we can approach the WMF together.
On 27 July 2012 08:05, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Just FYI, the mobile version of our site doesn't work :-(
Tom Morton
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The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues to have the full support of the Board.
Just to be clear; is the board here *admitting *knowledge of Fae's problematic behaviour prior to the election?
Why was this not investigated or mentioned at that point?
What about the problematic editing history post-election which is what ultimately led to the Arbcom case?
Did the board, as I suggested, consider looking into the copyright allegations - which are clearly of great pertinence to e.g. GLAM & WMUK.
Did the board discuss, and adopt a stance, in relation to how Fae would be able to function when in situations where people were editing Wikipedia (i.e. obviously he cannot participate or assist anyone in doing so).
Unfortunately, although I admire the support you have shown him, I can't help feeling that there is more of a knee jerk gathering of the caravans here, rather than the full, frank independent investigation I suggested.
Tom
On 27 July 2012 08:23, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues to have the full support of the Board.
Just to be clear; is the board here admitting knowledge of Fae's problematic behaviour prior to the election?
Why was this not investigated or mentioned at that point?
What about the problematic editing history post-election which is what ultimately led to the Arbcom case?
Did the board, as I suggested, consider looking into the copyright allegations - which are clearly of great pertinence to e.g. GLAM & WMUK.
Did the board discuss, and adopt a stance, in relation to how Fae would be able to function when in situations where people were editing Wikipedia (i.e. obviously he cannot participate or assist anyone in doing so).
Unfortunately, although I admire the support you have shown him, I can't help feeling that there is more of a knee jerk gathering of the caravans here, rather than the full, frank independent investigation I suggested.
OK, you can properly pursue this matter here, or offline with Board members, or in conjunction with the next Board elections and AGM, and so on. But I suggest you assume good faith in so doing.
Charles
Tom, you know I respect your opinion, but I think you're trying to read more into the board's statement than is there and you're misinterpreting it in a way that supports your view.
The issues surrounding Fae on enwiki were well known at the time of the AGM, and the membership re-elected Fae by a healthy margin. It is disingenuous to pretend that the issues were significantly less mature at the AGM than they were days later when the arbitration case in question (the second on the issue - of which the first was declined) was filed.
It is not within the remit of the board to investigate half-baked allegations of on-wiki misconduct, especially when nobody making the allegations appears (and do correct me if I've missed something) to have substantiated them with conclusive evidence. Nor is it within its remit to determine what sort of editing instruction Fae can undertake. He can ask for help if he's running an event that requires editing, and if the line between training and proxying for a banned user, he can seek clarification from ArbCom or the community.
Harry Mitchell
Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell
________________________________ From: Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012, 8:23 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK
The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues to have the full support of the Board.
Just to be clear; is the board here admitting knowledge of Fae's problematic behaviour prior to the election?
Why was this not investigated or mentioned at that point?
What about the problematic editing history post-election which is what ultimately led to the Arbcom case?
Did the board, as I suggested, consider looking into the copyright allegations - which are clearly of great pertinence to e.g. GLAM & WMUK.
Did the board discuss, and adopt a stance, in relation to how Fae would be able to function when in situations where people were editing Wikipedia (i.e. obviously he cannot participate or assist anyone in doing so).
Unfortunately, although I admire the support you have shown him, I can't help feeling that there is more of a knee jerk gathering of the caravans here, rather than the full, frank independent investigation I suggested.
Tom _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Thanks Mike.
Could I suggest that an email is also sent to all members on the Wikimedia UK membership database?
Gordo
On 26/07/12 23:02, Michael Peel wrote:
Hi all,
I'm sending this statement on behalf of the WMUK Board:
--
As some members of Wikimedia UK will know, our Chair, Ashley Van Haeften, user name Fae, has been the subject of sanctions by the Arbitration Committee of the English Wikipedia (Arbcom), the volunteer committee that exists to provide binding remedies to Wikipedia disputes. In particular, he has been banned from editing the English language Wikipedia for at least the next six months, after which he can appeal the ban.
The Board of Wikimedia UK notes the decision of Arbcom.
The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his role as a Trustee of the charity. His work at Wikimedia UK has always been enthusiastic and diligent. In particular, his knowledge of charity governance, and his ability to bring about consensus at WMUK's board meetings, have been particularly valuable.
The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues to have the full support of the Board.
--
Thanks, Mike Peel Secretary, Wikimedia UK
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent charitable organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No. 1144513. The Registered Office is at 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT, United Kingdom.
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I think Jon Davies has done so already.
On 27/07/2012, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Thanks Mike.
Could I suggest that an email is also sent to all members on the Wikimedia UK membership database?
Gordo
On 26/07/12 23:02, Michael Peel wrote:
Hi all,
I'm sending this statement on behalf of the WMUK Board:
--
As some members of Wikimedia UK will know, our Chair, Ashley Van Haeften, user name Fae, has been the subject of sanctions by the Arbitration Committee of the English Wikipedia (Arbcom), the volunteer committee that exists to provide binding remedies to Wikipedia disputes. In particular, he has been banned from editing the English language Wikipedia for at least the next six months, after which he can appeal the ban.
The Board of Wikimedia UK notes the decision of Arbcom.
The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his role as a Trustee of the charity. His work at Wikimedia UK has always been enthusiastic and diligent. In particular, his knowledge of charity governance, and his ability to bring about consensus at WMUK's board meetings, have been particularly valuable.
The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues to have the full support of the Board.
--
Thanks, Mike Peel Secretary, Wikimedia UK
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent charitable organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No. 1144513. The Registered Office is at 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT, United Kingdom.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On 27/07/2012 12:04, Deryck Chan wrote:
I think Jon Davies has done so already.
I'm not sure whether that was an email to all members of Wikimedia UK, or just those who have commented publicly and or privately on the matter.
KTC
It was just to those who have commented on the matter, publicly or privately. It went to both members and non-members, because some people who are commenting aren't actually WMUK members - so an email to the membership list would exclude them :-)
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On 27 July 2012 12:13, Katie Chan ktc@ktchan.info wrote:
On 27/07/2012 12:04, Deryck Chan wrote:
I think Jon Davies has done so already.
I'm not sure whether that was an email to all members of Wikimedia UK, or just those who have commented publicly and or privately on the matter.
KTC
-- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine
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Feel free to circulate. The key issues for me are openness and transparency plus timeliness.
Do I need to put 'margerine' in the title to get people interested?
On 27 July 2012 12:21, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
It was just to those who have commented on the matter, publicly or privately. It went to both members and non-members, because some people who are commenting aren't actually WMUK members - so an email to the membership list would exclude them :-)
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On 27 July 2012 12:13, Katie Chan ktc@ktchan.info wrote:
On 27/07/2012 12:04, Deryck Chan wrote:
I think Jon Davies has done so already.
I'm not sure whether that was an email to all members of Wikimedia UK, or just those who have commented publicly and or privately on the matter.
KTC
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Yes, I have seen that email (as a current member).
Gordo
On 27/07/12 12:04, Deryck Chan wrote:
I think Jon Davies has done so already.
On 27/07/2012, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Thanks Mike.
Could I suggest that an email is also sent to all members on the Wikimedia UK membership database?
Gordo
On 26/07/12 23:02, Michael Peel wrote:
Hi all,
I'm sending this statement on behalf of the WMUK Board:
--
As some members of Wikimedia UK will know, our Chair, Ashley Van Haeften, user name Fae, has been the subject of sanctions by the Arbitration Committee of the English Wikipedia (Arbcom), the volunteer committee that exists to provide binding remedies to Wikipedia disputes. In particular, he has been banned from editing the English language Wikipedia for at least the next six months, after which he can appeal the ban.
The Board of Wikimedia UK notes the decision of Arbcom.
The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his role as a Trustee of the charity. His work at Wikimedia UK has always been enthusiastic and diligent. In particular, his knowledge of charity governance, and his ability to bring about consensus at WMUK's board meetings, have been particularly valuable.
The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues to have the full support of the Board.
--
Thanks, Mike Peel Secretary, Wikimedia UK
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent charitable organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No. 1144513. The Registered Office is at 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT, United Kingdom.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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It didn't come to me (not worried; just noting)
Tom
On 27 July 2012 13:52, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Yes, I have seen that email (as a current member).
Gordo
On 27/07/12 12:04, Deryck Chan wrote:
I think Jon Davies has done so already.
On 27/07/2012, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Thanks Mike.
Could I suggest that an email is also sent to all members on the Wikimedia UK membership database?
Gordo
On 26/07/12 23:02, Michael Peel wrote:
Hi all,
I'm sending this statement on behalf of the WMUK Board:
--
As some members of Wikimedia UK will know, our Chair, Ashley Van Haeften, user name Fae, has been the subject of sanctions by the Arbitration Committee of the English Wikipedia (Arbcom), the volunteer committee that exists to provide binding remedies to Wikipedia disputes. In particular, he has been banned from editing the English language Wikipedia for at least the next six months, after which he can appeal the ban.
The Board of Wikimedia UK notes the decision of Arbcom.
The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his role as a Trustee of the charity. His work at Wikimedia UK has always been enthusiastic and diligent. In particular, his knowledge of charity governance, and his ability to bring about consensus at WMUK's board meetings, have been particularly valuable.
The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues to have the full support of the Board.
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The Telegraph seem to have picked this up...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/9439046/Chairman-of-Wikipedi...
Tom
Hello everyone,
We've just published a response to the story on our blog. You can find this here - http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/07/a-response-to-the-daily-telegraph-artic...
If anyone has any comments or questions please do feel free to email myself or Jon.
Kind regards,
Stevie
On 31 July 2012 09:22, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
The Telegraph seem to have picked this up...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/9439046/Chairman-of-Wikipedi...
Tom
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the statement below was sent to our members
Was it? My understanding was it was sent to the mailing list, and selected others.
I did not receive the message independently of that. Not every member is on the mailing list.
Just a minor point.
Tom
On 31 July 2012 09:29, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hello everyone,
We've just published a response to the story on our blog. You can find this here - http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/07/a-response-to-the-daily-telegraph-artic...
If anyone has any comments or questions please do feel free to email myself or Jon.
Kind regards,
Stevie
On 31 July 2012 09:22, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
The Telegraph seem to have picked this up...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/9439046/Chairman-of-Wikipedi...
Tom
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Thanks Tom, that's a useful distinction that I wasn't aware of. I'll amend it now.
Stevie
On 31 July 2012 09:32, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
the statement below was sent to our members
Was it? My understanding was it was sent to the mailing list, and selected others.
I did not receive the message independently of that. Not every member is on the mailing list.
Just a minor point.
Tom
On 31 July 2012 09:29, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Hello everyone,
We've just published a response to the story on our blog. You can find this here - http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/07/a-response-to-the-daily-telegraph-artic...
If anyone has any comments or questions please do feel free to email myself or Jon.
Kind regards,
Stevie
On 31 July 2012 09:22, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.comwrote:
The Telegraph seem to have picked this up...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/9439046/Chairman-of-Wikipedi...
Tom
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On 31 July 2012 09:29, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hello everyone,
We've just published a response to the story on our blog. You can find this here - http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/07/a-response-to-the-daily-telegraph-artic...
Why? Daily Telegraph has a daily readership of over 600K. WMUK blog doesn't. But then given how think your attempted defense is I doubt it would make much difference.
On 31 July 2012 09:22, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
The Telegraph seem to have picked this up...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/9439046/Chairman-of-Wikipedi...
Predictably, the story is starting to spread:
http://news.google.co.uk/news/story?gl=uk&pz=1&cf=all&ned=uk&...
(I think that link will work - it's supposed to be the related stories page for the Telegraph article.)
So far, the Telegraph is only big name to be running the story, but it's early yet.
On 31 July 2012 13:17, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
Predictably, the story is starting to spread:
http://news.google.co.uk/news/story?gl=uk&pz=1&cf=all&ned=uk&...
And equally predictably:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_van_Haeften
Andrew
On 1 August 2012 01:52, Andrew West andrewcwest@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 July 2012 13:17, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
Predictably, the story is starting to spread:
http://news.google.co.uk/news/story?gl=uk&pz=1&cf=all&ned=uk&...
And equally predictably:
There are some notability concerns there... I haven't tagged the article, but I've left a note on the talk page.
I've also noticed the issue is now getting international coverage:
http://www.actualitte.com/acteurs-numeriques/le-president-de-wikimedia-uk-ba...
I have no idea what that site is, and don't speak French, but it shows up on Google News.
Tom
It is beginning on Twitter as well
http://www.zuula.com/#eng=twitter-blog http://www.zuula.com/#eng=twitter-blog&st=Ashley_van_Haeften&loc=&idx=0&mod e=results&imgschlnk=&pglnk=&thmblnk=&thmwd=&thmht=&imgwd=&imght &st=Ashley_van_Haeften&loc=&idx=0&mode=results&imgschlnk=&pglnk=&thmblnk=&th mwd=&thmht=&imgwd=&imght=
...it is not a story that is going to go away alas. It needs dealing with in a constructive way.
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On 1 August 2012 01:52, Andrew West < mailto:andrewcwest@gmail.com andrewcwest@gmail.com> wrote:
On 31 July 2012 13:17, Thomas Dalton < mailto:thomas.dalton@gmail.com
thomas.dalton@gmail.com> wrote:
Predictably, the story is starting to spread:
http://news.google.co.uk/news/story?gl=uk&pz=1&cf=all&ned=uk&hl=en&q
http://news.google.co.uk/news/story?gl=uk&pz=1&cf=all&ned=uk&...
wikimedia+uk&ncl=drcm1dj39Jz4CfMo-tJUD6HkAFEPM&cf=all&scoring=d
And equally predictably:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_van_Haeften
There are some notability concerns there... I haven't tagged the article, but I've left a note on the talk page.
I've also noticed the issue is now getting international coverage:
http://www.actualitte.com/acteurs-numeriques/le-president-de-wikimedia-uk-b anni-pour-violation-des-regles-de-wikipedia-35722.htm http://www.actualitte.com/acteurs-numeriques/le-president-de-wikimedia-uk-ba nni-pour-violation-des-regles-de-wikipedia-35722.htm
I have no idea what that site is, and don't speak French, but it shows up on Google News.
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On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 01:52, Andrew West andrewcwest@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 July 2012 13:17, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
Predictably, the story is starting to spread:
http://news.google.co.uk/news/story?gl=uk&pz=1&cf=all&ned=uk&...
And equally predictably:
There are some notability concerns there... I haven't tagged the article, but I've left a note on the talk page.
I've also noticed the issue is now getting international coverage:
http://www.actualitte.com/acteurs-numeriques/le-president-de-wikimedia-uk-ba...
Ugh, I think it has several aspects wrong, like asserting that Jimbo also banned/agreed with the ban of Ashley from en.wp, rather than banning Ashley from his talk page before the ArbCom decision.
I have no idea what that site is, and don't speak French, but it shows up on Google News.
It doesnt look very notable, with 156 hits across all Wikipedias
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=%22Actualitte.com%22+site%3Awikipedia....
"Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK"
Therefore head of the UK Chapter? Or not?
Gordo
On Aug 1, 2012 10:09 AM, "Gordon Joly" gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
"Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK"
Therefore head of the UK Chapter? Or not?
I'm not sure I understand the question. We don't have an official position of head, but I guess that would most accurately describe the chair, yes.
On 01/08/12 10:12, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On Aug 1, 2012 10:09 AM, "Gordon Joly" <gordon.joly@pobox.com mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com> wrote:
"Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK"
Therefore head of the UK Chapter? Or not?
I'm not sure I understand the question. We don't have an official position of head, but I guess that would most accurately describe the chair, yes.
I am asserting that registered charity and the "UK Chapter" as a body are one and the same, and that the Chapter forms part of the Foundation, and that the Foundation might have a view.
Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a part of the Foundation.
Gordo
A few jumps in logic too far.
We are independent.
The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK chapter are our business.
On 1 August 2012 10:20, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 01/08/12 10:12, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On Aug 1, 2012 10:09 AM, "Gordon Joly" gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
"Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK"
Therefore head of the UK Chapter? Or not?
I'm not sure I understand the question. We don't have an official position of head, but I guess that would most accurately describe the chair, yes.
I am asserting that registered charity and the "UK Chapter" as a body are one and the same, and that the Chapter forms part of the Foundation, and that the Foundation might have a view.
Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a part of the Foundation.
Gordo
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On 01/08/12 10:33, Jon Davies wrote:
A few jumps in logic too far.
We are independent.
The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK chapter are our business.
Thanks Jon!
Logic was never my strong point...
Gordo
Lets do all continue arguing over the semantics of newspaper articles whilst the reputation of the charity is slowly eroded. Seddon
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:44:20 +0100 From: gordon.joly@pobox.com To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK
On 01/08/12 10:33, Jon Davies wrote:
A few jumps in logic too far.
We are independent.
The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK chapter are our business.
Thanks Jon!
Logic was never my strong point...
Gordo
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On 1 August 2012 11:07, joseph seddon life_is_bitter_sweet@hotmail.co.ukwrote:
Lets do all continue arguing over the semantics of newspaper articles whilst the reputation of the charity is slowly eroded.
Seddon
*Like*
On 1 August 2012 10:33, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
A few jumps in logic too far.
We are independent.
The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK chapter are our business.
How recently did they communicate that?
The Chapters agreement is pertinent; in it WMUK agree to avoid "*engaging in any activity that might negatively impact the work or image of the Foundation*."
This is a matter across several venues of the movement - one of which includes us and our reputation.
Tom
Yesterday and on a regular basis.
On 1 August 2012 11:10, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 10:33, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
A few jumps in logic too far.
We are independent.
The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK chapter are our business.
How recently did they communicate that?
The Chapters agreement is pertinent; in it WMUK agree to avoid "*engaging in any activity that might negatively impact the work or image of the Foundation*."
This is a matter across several venues of the movement - one of which includes us and our reputation.
Tom
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just out of interest, what is the effect on current weekly donations to wikimedia uk?
rupert.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Yesterday and on a regular basis.
On 1 August 2012 11:10, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 10:33, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
A few jumps in logic too far.
We are independent.
The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK chapter are our business.
How recently did they communicate that?
The Chapters agreement is pertinent; in it WMUK agree to avoid "engaging in any activity that might negatively impact the work or image of the Foundation."
This is a matter across several venues of the movement - one of which includes us and our reputation.
Tom
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It'll take a month to get full figures, but so far the effect is negligible - in fact, I believe donations may have gone up slightly over the past few days...
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On 1 August 2012 11:26, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
just out of interest, what is the effect on current weekly donations to wikimedia uk?
rupert.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Yesterday and on a regular basis.
On 1 August 2012 11:10, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com
wrote:
On 1 August 2012 10:33, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
A few jumps in logic too far.
We are independent.
The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK chapter are our business.
How recently did they communicate that?
The Chapters agreement is pertinent; in it WMUK agree to avoid "engaging in any activity that might negatively impact the work or image of the Foundation."
This is a matter across several venues of the movement - one of which includes us and our reputation.
Tom
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A test of the old saw about bad publicity... On Aug 1, 2012 11:56 AM, "Richard Symonds" richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
It'll take a month to get full figures, but so far the effect is negligible - in fact, I believe donations may have gone up slightly over the past few days...
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On 1 August 2012 11:26, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
just out of interest, what is the effect on current weekly donations to wikimedia uk?
rupert.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Yesterday and on a regular basis.
On 1 August 2012 11:10, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com
wrote:
On 1 August 2012 10:33, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:
A few jumps in logic too far.
We are independent.
The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK chapter are our business.
How recently did they communicate that?
The Chapters agreement is pertinent; in it WMUK agree to avoid
"engaging
in any activity that might negatively impact the work or image of the Foundation."
This is a matter across several venues of the movement - one of which includes us and our reputation.
Tom
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for its
contents.
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No effect I can see but Richard who monitors these things is in interviews all day.I get notification of one-off and In fact a few quite generous donations over the last 24 hours which surprised me. (£66.40 in total) These normally happen at the weekend when I suppose people are at home, using wikipedia and then feel generous. This was a bit different. Can't really think there is a link one way or not.
On 1 August 2012 11:26, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
just out of interest, what is the effect on current weekly donations to wikimedia uk?
rupert.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Yesterday and on a regular basis.
On 1 August 2012 11:10, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com
wrote:
On 1 August 2012 10:33, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
A few jumps in logic too far.
We are independent.
The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK chapter are our business.
How recently did they communicate that?
The Chapters agreement is pertinent; in it WMUK agree to avoid "engaging in any activity that might negatively impact the work or image of the Foundation."
This is a matter across several venues of the movement - one of which includes us and our reputation.
Tom
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On 1 August 2012 12:01, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
No effect I can see but Richard who monitors these things is in interviews all day.I get notification of one-off and In fact a few quite generous donations over the last 24 hours which surprised me. (£66.40 in total) These normally happen at the weekend when I suppose people are at home, using wikipedia and then feel generous. This was a bit different. Can't really think there is a link one way or not.
Is there a normal "last few days of the month" pickup? Everyone's just got paid...
Its pretty much impossible to pick out any particular trend on a daily basis outside of the fundraiser (except if we suddenly start recieving hundreds of donation). That's well within the variance of donations.
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On 1 August 2012 12:01, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
No effect I can see but Richard who monitors these things is in interviews all day.I get notification of one-off and In fact a few quite generous donations over the last 24 hours which surprised me. (£66.40 in total) These normally happen at the weekend when I suppose people are at home, using wikipedia and then feel generous. This was a bit different. Can't really think there is a link one way or not.
Is there a normal "last few days of the month" pickup? Everyone's just got paid...
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On 01/08/12 12:11, Andrew Gray wrote:
Is there a normal "last few days of the month" pickup? Everyone's just got paid...
Many do, but some are freelance (hence send in invoices), some get weekly payments, etc.
And some get paid on other days. The BBC used to pay me on 15th of the month.
Gordo
On 1 August 2012 12:01, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
No effect I can see but Richard who monitors these things is in interviews all day.I get notification of one-off and In fact a few quite generous donations over the last 24 hours which surprised me. (£66.40 in total) These normally happen at the weekend when I suppose people are at home, using wikipedia and then feel generous. This was a bit different. Can't really think there is a link one way or not.
Statistical noise.
The question itself is in the class of looking for any possible stick to beat Fae with.
- d.
On 1 August 2012 11:10, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
The Chapters agreement is pertinent; in it WMUK agree to avoid "engaging in any activity that might negatively impact the work or image of the Foundation."
This is a matter across several venues of the movement - one of which includes us and our reputation.
What activity has the chapter engaged in?
I'm sure the Foundation is concerned about the situation, but it's really not their place to intervene.
I am assuming the Foundation is aware of the situation - do we have confirmation that they are? If not, it would be a good idea to notify them as a courtesy (they have a tendancy to get annoyed if we don't tell them stuff...).
On 1 August 2012 12:24, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I am assuming the Foundation is aware of the situation - do we have confirmation that they are? If not, it would be a good idea to notify them as a courtesy (they have a tendancy to get annoyed if we don't tell them stuff...).
It's reached the comcom list. They're redirecting queries to WMUK/Stevie.
- d.
The foundation at a senior level have been kept informed every step of the way. That is one of the benefits of having Stevie Benton in post (the other is he makes good coffee in an uncomplaining sort of way).
On 1 August 2012 12:27, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 12:24, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I am assuming the Foundation is aware of the situation - do we have confirmation that they are? If not, it would be a good idea to notify them as a courtesy (they have a tendancy to get annoyed if we don't tell them stuff...).
It's reached the comcom list. They're redirecting queries to WMUK/Stevie.
- d.
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Only two benefits?!
On 1 August 2012 12:31, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
The foundation at a senior level have been kept informed every step of the way. That is one of the benefits of having Stevie Benton in post (the other is he makes good coffee in an uncomplaining sort of way).
On 1 August 2012 12:27, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 12:24, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I am assuming the Foundation is aware of the situation - do we have confirmation that they are? If not, it would be a good idea to notify them as a courtesy (they have a tendancy to get annoyed if we don't tell them stuff...).
It's reached the comcom list. They're redirecting queries to WMUK/Stevie.
- d.
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Mike Peel is in SF at their offices
On 1 August 2012 12:57, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
Only two benefits?!
On 1 August 2012 12:31, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
The foundation at a senior level have been kept informed every step of
the
way. That is one of the benefits of having Stevie Benton in post (the
other
is he makes good coffee in an uncomplaining sort of way).
On 1 August 2012 12:27, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 12:24, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I am assuming the Foundation is aware of the situation - do we have confirmation that they are? If not, it would be a good idea to notify them as a courtesy (they have a tendancy to get annoyed if we don't tell them stuff...).
It's reached the comcom list. They're redirecting queries to
WMUK/Stevie.
- d.
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its
contents.
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Surely you aren't expecting more from me...
On 1 August 2012 12:57, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
Only two benefits?!
On 1 August 2012 12:31, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
The foundation at a senior level have been kept informed every step of
the
way. That is one of the benefits of having Stevie Benton in post (the
other
is he makes good coffee in an uncomplaining sort of way).
On 1 August 2012 12:27, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 12:24, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I am assuming the Foundation is aware of the situation - do we have confirmation that they are? If not, it would be a good idea to notify them as a courtesy (they have a tendancy to get annoyed if we don't tell them stuff...).
It's reached the comcom list. They're redirecting queries to
WMUK/Stevie.
- d.
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its
contents.
Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
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On 1 August 2012 12:57, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
Only two benefits?!
Making really good coffee takes up a lot of your time (and requires a top qualify cafetiere ;)).
Or two - alas your lovely donation bit the dust a little while back. The M and S replacement not nearly as stylish. Still we have good fair trade coffee for anyone who cares to visit.
On 1 August 2012 13:10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 12:57, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
Only two benefits?!
Making really good coffee takes up a lot of your time (and requires a top qualify cafetiere ;)).
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On 1 August 2012 10:20, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
I am asserting that registered charity and the "UK Chapter" as a body are one and the same, and that the Chapter forms part of the Foundation, and that the Foundation might have a view.
Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a part of the Foundation.
We're a chapter of the Foundation, we're not part of it.
On 01/08/12 12:25, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 1 August 2012 10:20, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
I am asserting that registered charity and the "UK Chapter" as a body are one and the same, and that the Chapter forms part of the Foundation, and that the Foundation might have a view.
Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a part of the Foundation.
We're a chapter of the Foundation, we're not part of it.
Thanks. So what do they do for us?
Gordo
cf Life of Brian....
On 1 August 2012 13:53, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 01/08/12 12:25, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 1 August 2012 10:20, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
I am asserting that registered charity and the "UK Chapter" as a body are one and the same, and that the Chapter forms part of the Foundation, and that the Foundation might have a view.
Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a part of the Foundation.
We're a chapter of the Foundation, we're not part of it.
Thanks. So what do they do for us?
Gordo
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But apart from that?
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters
Gordo
On 01/08/12 13:55, Jon Davies wrote:
cf Life of Brian....
On 1 August 2012 13:53, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly@pobox.com mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com> wrote:
On 01/08/12 12:25, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 1 August 2012 10:20, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly@pobox.com <mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com>> wrote: I am asserting that registered charity and the "UK Chapter" as a body are one and the same, and that the Chapter forms part of the Foundation, and that the Foundation might have a view. Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a part of the Foundation. We're a chapter of the Foundation, we're not part of it. _______________ Thanks. So what do they do for us? Gordo _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org-- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies
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Lets not get too distracted from the issue at hand here (either onto frivolity or discussion of the Chapter/Foundation relationship). Or at least could you split that to another thread.
I have two follow up queries/thoughts:
* Can anyone explain why this board statement was sent only to this mailing list and not the entire membership?
* It seems the next step is an ordinary resolution of members - either via and EGM or simply majority vote submitted to the board/staff. What is the current membership size of Wikimedia UK?
Thanks, Tom
On Aug 1, 2012 2:02 PM, "Thomas Morton" morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Lets not get too distracted from the issue at hand here (either onto
frivolity or discussion of the Chapter/Foundation relationship). Or at least could you split that to another thread.
I have two follow up queries/thoughts:
- Can anyone explain why this board statement was sent only to this
mailing list and not the entire membership?
There's no particular reason for sending it to members. This list is the primary way the chapter communicates with the UK community.
- It seems the next step is an ordinary resolution of members - either
via and EGM or simply majority vote submitted to the board/staff. What is the current membership size of Wikimedia UK?
I've been trying to find out the membership size. I think Richard was going to look it up. A majority vote isn't really an option because that needs half of all members to vote and vote the same way, which is at least 150 people.
On 1 August 2012 14:27, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 1, 2012 2:02 PM, "Thomas Morton" morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Lets not get too distracted from the issue at hand here (either onto
frivolity or discussion of the Chapter/Foundation relationship). Or at least could you split that to another thread.
I have two follow up queries/thoughts:
- Can anyone explain why this board statement was sent only to this
mailing list and not the entire membership?
There's no particular reason for sending it to members. This list is the primary way the chapter communicates with the UK community.
I disagree here; clearly active members of the charity participate here, but that is not everyone by a long stretch. I suppose it leads to another question; how many members are *not* on this mailing list?
And if this really *is* the primary way of communicating with the membership then I encourage the board to speedily review that policy.
This is a matter that affects the public perception of the charity - do we really want one of our members, not on this mailing list, to find out about it first via the Telegraph website?
It's bad, and secretive, form at best.
Tom
- It seems the next step is an ordinary resolution of members - either
via and EGM or simply majority vote submitted to the board/staff. What is the current membership size of Wikimedia UK?
I've been trying to find out the membership size. I think Richard was going to look it up. A majority vote isn't really an option because that needs half of all members to vote and vote the same way, which is at least 150 people.
Is this really a difficult number to ascertain? Surely this is a key figure that should be in a database somewhere, and easily queried.
Our opinions on whether a written resolution is feasible due to requiring a majority of 150 is neither here nor there - it is in our articles as an option and exercising our rights as members of the charity is important.
Tom
On 01/08/12 14:27, Thomas Dalton wrote:
There's no particular reason for sending it to members. This list is the primary way the chapter communicates with the UK community.
I disagree. The membership of Wikimedia UK has a right to dedicated channel of communication (the normal choice being email, but SMS, telephone and letter should be on offer). It exists, and has been used in the past to announce things such the result of the AGM voting.
Wikimedia UK (a registered charity and a company limited by guarantee) can and should communicate with the UK community (no legal status) and with the membership (a group who have a legal status, and a set of duties e.g. elect the Board of Trustees). Since this thread is about a Trustee, then I think you will find members wanting to be kept up to date, without the need to read this list.
Gordo
The current membership size is circa 300, +-20. I don't have the exact figure to hand, but I will have it by the end of today. I am going to do some database work later and check that the database is still accurate (important if we are going to be voting on anything), and then sort out the approval of new members - there are a few pending aapproval. You can expect, based on previous votes, to have 60 to 70 people voting in total, out of the 300 or so members. Organising an EGM for 300+ people, even by email, is no small task.
The board statement was sent to the mailing list and put on the blog, but I simply haven't had time (or the thought) to send out an email about it to the entire membership list. We very rarely send out emails to the entire membership list - usually only once a year, just before the AGM. It's not good practice to simply hit "email all", because it tends to swamp uninterested people, who then end up unsubscribing from the list. The majority of our communications are done through this mailing list, or on the UK wiki, as all of our active members read this list. Certainly, all our members are encouraged to join the UK Wikimedia mailing list when they join the chapter. We're actively reviewing the way through which we communicate with everyone, however - the 2012 Comms Review has been seen by a few volunteers, and should be ready for general feedback soon.
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On 1 August 2012 14:02, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Lets not get too distracted from the issue at hand here (either onto frivolity or discussion of the Chapter/Foundation relationship). Or at least could you split that to another thread.
I have two follow up queries/thoughts:
- Can anyone explain why this board statement was sent only to this
mailing list and not the entire membership?
- It seems the next step is an ordinary resolution of members - either via
and EGM or simply majority vote submitted to the board/staff. What is the current membership size of Wikimedia UK?
Thanks, Tom
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On 01/08/2012 14:47, Richard Symonds wrote:
The board statement was sent to the mailing list and put on the blog, but I simply haven't had time (or the thought) to send out an email about it to the entire membership list. We very rarely send out emails to the entire membership list - usually only once a year, just before the AGM. It's not good practice to simply hit "email all", because it tends to swamp uninterested people, who then end up unsubscribing from the list. The majority of our communications are done through this mailing list, or on the UK wiki, as all of our active members read this list. Certainly, all our members are encouraged to join the UK Wikimedia mailing list when they join the chapter. We're actively reviewing the way through which we communicate with everyone, however - the 2012 Comms Review has been seen by a few volunteers, and should be ready for general feedback soon.
I would say a public statement from the board re. its chair on the current subject qualify as important enough to merit an email to the entire membership.
KTC
I agree - we have a terrible habit of expecting everyone to come to us. 'Its on the wiki why didn't you see it?' Regular newsletters to our member and donor base is one of the key proposals in the comms review that should be agreed shortly by the board.
Richard will sort out the email.
On 1 August 2012 15:29, Katie Chan ktc@ktchan.info wrote:
On 01/08/2012 14:47, Richard Symonds wrote:
The board statement was sent to the mailing list and put on the blog,
but I simply haven't had time (or the thought) to send out an email about it to the entire membership list. We very rarely send out emails to the entire membership list - usually only once a year, just before the AGM. It's not good practice to simply hit "email all", because it tends to swamp uninterested people, who then end up unsubscribing from the list. The majority of our communications are done through this mailing list, or on the UK wiki, as all of our active members read this list. Certainly, all our members are encouraged to join the UK Wikimedia mailing list when they join the chapter. We're actively reviewing the way through which we communicate with everyone, however - the 2012 Comms Review has been seen by a few volunteers, and should be ready for general feedback soon.
I would say a public statement from the board re. its chair on the current subject qualify as important enough to merit an email to the entire membership.
KTC
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On 1 August 2012 15:33, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I agree - we have a terrible habit of expecting everyone to come to us. 'Its on the wiki why didn't you see it?' Regular newsletters to our member and donor base is one of the key proposals in the comms review that should be agreed shortly by the board.
Richard will sort out the email.
Good to hear :) thanks.
(also: now on FOX - http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-af... )
Tom
On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
(also: now on FOX - http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-af...)
Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it, not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
You regreting taking the job yet, Stevie?
Regretting it? Goodness me, no. I get to use my coffee-making skills to their fullest here. They weren't appreciated properly elsewhere.
On 1 August 2012 17:16, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
(also: now on FOX -
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-af... )
Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it, not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
You regreting taking the job yet, Stevie?
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On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
(also: now on FOX - http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-af...)
Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it, not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
Yes, always good to show maturity and dedication to the cause of protecting children from harmful material by linking to a website that routinely uses racist, sexist and homophobic descriptions...
It's the old Daily Mail trick: this is awful and terrible and wrong, and here are 14 high-resolution closeups of it!
Racist sexist, and homophobic is the least of it on Encyclopedia Dramatica. There's some very, very dodgy stuff on there. Very odd of Fox to be linking directly to a site that glorifies both rape *and* child abuse.
I wonder if the Fox News editor clicked 'random article' on that site?
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On 1 August 2012 17:42, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com
wrote:
(also: now on FOX -
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-af... )
Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it, not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
Yes, always good to show maturity and dedication to the cause of protecting children from harmful material by linking to a website that routinely uses racist, sexist and homophobic descriptions...
It's the old Daily Mail trick: this is awful and terrible and wrong, and here are 14 high-resolution closeups of it!
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Fox are part of News International aren't they?
So a sister company to Page3.com is getting on a high horse re porn and directing people to a homophobic website.
Not as bad as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_International_phone_hacking_scandal#Milly_...
Or the coundown clock the Sun once had marking the days to a 16 year old girl's birthday http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/interactive/2011/nov/28/charlotte-church-wit...
But not impressive.
WSC
On 1 August 2012 18:11, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Racist sexist, and homophobic is the least of it on Encyclopedia Dramatica. There's some very, very dodgy stuff on there. Very odd of Fox to be linking directly to a site that glorifies both rape *and* child abuse.
I wonder if the Fox News editor clicked 'random article' on that site?
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On 1 August 2012 17:42, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com
wrote:
(also: now on FOX -
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-af... )
Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it, not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
Yes, always good to show maturity and dedication to the cause of protecting children from harmful material by linking to a website that routinely uses racist, sexist and homophobic descriptions...
It's the old Daily Mail trick: this is awful and terrible and wrong, and here are 14 high-resolution closeups of it!
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I am more than a little disappointed with the way the board's handled all of this. It was abundantly clear from the outset that the correct response was to lean on Ashley to resign, in the expectation that he would stand again at the next AGM and probably be re-elected, once all of this had blown over.
All I see from the board is a terribly worded blog post, and a load of nit picking about the press articles. It is almost completely irrelevant how accurate they are, or whether you like the news organisation or not, if the trustees of a charity become the news story, they have done something very wrong.
Now Ashley is sure to face a confidence motion at an EGM, which will do even more damage to the charity's reputation. Honestly, at this point my confidence in the whole board is wavering, aside from any thoughts I may have about the appropriateness or otherwise of having Ashley as the chair.
This has gone on too long already. Please end it now, before more damage is done to our reputation.
Tom
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Fox are part of News International aren't they?
So a sister company to Page3.com is getting on a high horse re porn and directing people to a homophobic website.
Not as bad as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_International_phone_hacking_scandal#Milly_...
Or the coundown clock the Sun once had marking the days to a 16 year old girl's birthday http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/interactive/2011/nov/28/charlotte-church-wit...
But not impressive.
WSC On 1 August 2012 18:11, Richard Symonds <richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.ukmailto:richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Racist sexist, and homophobic is the least of it on Encyclopedia Dramatica. There's some very, very dodgy stuff on there. Very odd of Fox to be linking directly to a site that glorifies both rape and child abuse.
I wonder if the Fox News editor clicked 'random article' on that site?
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On 1 August 2012 17:42, Tom Morris <tom@tommorris.orgmailto:tom@tommorris.org> wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@gmail.commailto:thomas.dalton@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas@googlemail.commailto:morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
(also: now on FOX - http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-af...)
Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it, not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
Yes, always good to show maturity and dedication to the cause of protecting children from harmful material by linking to a website that routinely uses racist, sexist and homophobic descriptions...
It's the old Daily Mail trick: this is awful and terrible and wrong, and here are 14 high-resolution closeups of it!
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On Aug 1, 2012 6:55 PM, "WereSpielChequers" werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
Fox are part of News International aren't they?
No. They're part of News Corp.
So a sister company to Page3.com is getting on a high horse re porn and
directing people to a homophobic website.
Page 3 is not homophobic and describing it as porn is dubious.
Not as bad as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_International_phone_hacking_scandal#Milly_...
Ah, yes, the "false hope" story. Which turned out to be a lie made up by the Guardian, though they didn't admit it until after dozens of people had lost their jobs.
Or the coundown clock the Sun once had marking the days to a 16 year old
girl's birthday http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/interactive/2011/nov/28/charlotte-church-wit...
Also untrue. There was such a website, but it was not operated by the Sun.
The very title of that Wikipedia article shows just how completely the Guardian and the odious Watson have won. You wouldn't realise that "hacking" (a misnomer anyway) was widespread across Fleet Street, let alone that NI was not the biggest offender (viz. Motorman). But it's the evil Murdoch so it's fine to scapegoat them.
But not impressive.
WSC
On 1 August 2012 18:11, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:
Racist sexist, and homophobic is the least of it on Encyclopedia
Dramatica. There's some very, very dodgy stuff on there. Very odd of Fox to be linking directly to a site that glorifies both rape and child abuse.
I wonder if the Fox News editor clicked 'random article' on that site?
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On 1 August 2012 17:42, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com
wrote:
On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com
wrote:
(also: now on FOX -
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-af... )
Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it, not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
Yes, always good to show maturity and dedication to the cause of protecting children from harmful material by linking to a website that routinely uses racist, sexist and homophobic descriptions...
It's the old Daily Mail trick: this is awful and terrible and wrong, and here are 14 high-resolution closeups of it!
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On 1 August 2012 19:41, James Farrar james.farrar@gmail.com wrote:
Ah, yes, the "false hope" story. Which turned out to be a lie made up by the Guardian, though they didn't admit it until after dozens of people had lost their jobs.
No it turned out to be a mistake.
On 01/08/12 19:48, geni wrote:
On 1 August 2012 19:41, James Farrarjames.farrar@gmail.com wrote:
Ah, yes, the "false hope" story. Which turned out to be a lie made up by the Guardian, though they didn't admit it until after dozens of people had lost their jobs.
No it turned out to be a mistake. -- geni
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story?
Gordo
Just tried that for the first time while using my computer at work. Big mistake.
On 1 August 2012 18:11, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Racist sexist, and homophobic is the least of it on Encyclopedia Dramatica. There's some very, very dodgy stuff on there. Very odd of Fox to be linking directly to a site that glorifies both rape *and* child abuse.
I wonder if the Fox News editor clicked 'random article' on that site?
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On 1 August 2012 17:42, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com
wrote:
(also: now on FOX -
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-af... )
Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it, not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
Yes, always good to show maturity and dedication to the cause of protecting children from harmful material by linking to a website that routinely uses racist, sexist and homophobic descriptions...
It's the old Daily Mail trick: this is awful and terrible and wrong, and here are 14 high-resolution closeups of it!
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Thinking about some of the implications, I am reminded of Operation Spanner...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spanner
...and the issues raised by this case,,,,,
*** Operation Spanner was the name of an operation carried out by police in the United Kingdom city of Manchester in 1987, as a result of which a group of homosexuals were convicted of assault occasioning actual bodily harm for their involvement in consensual sadomasochism over a ten year period. ***
YMMV,
Gordo
On Aug 1, 2012 2:48 PM, "Richard Symonds" richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
The current membership size is circa 300, +-20. I don't have the exact
figure to hand, but I will have it by the end of today.
Any luck?
240, including pending members who are yet to be approved.
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On 1 August 2012 19:18, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 1, 2012 2:48 PM, "Richard Symonds" < richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
The current membership size is circa 300, +-20. I don't have the exact
figure to hand, but I will have it by the end of today.
Any luck?
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On Aug 1, 2012 8:09 PM, "Richard Symonds" richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
240, including pending members who are yet to be approved.
How many are there now? And when will the others likely be approved?
My apologies: I'm working it out. There are 240 current members who are showing on CiviCRM, as of now. This could vary by 5 or so either way, and I'm working overtime to work out the exact figure.
This is because there are also 15 applicants who are not eligible to vote because they have not yet been approved as members by the board. Some of these are new members, but some are old members who have re-applied with a new email or postal address. Them re-applying with a different address generates a new record for them on CiviCRM, so I need to check those 15 records and do some record merging to get the exact number.
I will send the details to the board tonight or tomorrow and get them to approve/decline the applications. I think you probably want an "at most" figure, therefore, at most, there are 265 members. Give me an hour or so to work the new applicants out, and bear in mind that I'm doing it from home...
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On 1 August 2012 20:30, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 1, 2012 8:09 PM, "Richard Symonds" < richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
240, including pending members who are yet to be approved.
How many are there now? And when will the others likely be approved?
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Thanks Richard. That is much appreciated.
Of course; it is fairly urgent, but working over time is above and beyond. Cheers.
Tom Morton
On 1 Aug 2012, at 20:56, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
My apologies: I'm working it out. There are 240 current members who are showing on CiviCRM, as of now. This could vary by 5 or so either way, and I'm working overtime to work out the exact figure.
This is because there are also 15 applicants who are not eligible to vote because they have not yet been approved as members by the board. Some of these are new members, but some are old members who have re-applied with a new email or postal address. Them re-applying with a different address generates a new record for them on CiviCRM, so I need to check those 15 records and do some record merging to get the exact number.
I will send the details to the board tonight or tomorrow and get them to approve/decline the applications. I think you probably want an "at most" figure, therefore, at most, there are 265 members. Give me an hour or so to work the new applicants out, and bear in mind that I'm doing it from home...
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On 1 August 2012 20:30, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 1, 2012 8:09 PM, "Richard Symonds" < richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
240, including pending members who are yet to be approved.
How many are there now? And when will the others likely be approved?
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On 1 August 2012 20:56, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
My apologies: I'm working it out. There are 240 current members who are showing on CiviCRM, as of now. This could vary by 5 or so either way, and I'm working overtime to work out the exact figure.
While I'm sure everyone truly appreciates you working late to sort this out, "How many members do we have?" really is the kind of question you should be able to answer straight away. There is a legal requirement to maintain a register of members...
Point taken, although technically (and legally) there are currently 240 members.
I'm half way through, now, anyway :-)
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On 1 August 2012 21:05, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 20:56, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
My apologies: I'm working it out. There are 240 current members who are showing on CiviCRM, as of now. This could vary by 5 or so either way, and I'm working overtime to work out the exact figure.
While I'm sure everyone truly appreciates you working late to sort this out, "How many members do we have?" really is the kind of question you should be able to answer straight away. There is a legal requirement to maintain a register of members...
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On 1 August 2012 21:05, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2012 20:56, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
My apologies: I'm working it out. There are 240 current members who are showing on CiviCRM, as of now. This could vary by 5 or so either way, and I'm working overtime to work out the exact figure.
While I'm sure everyone truly appreciates you working late to sort this out, "How many members do we have?" really is the kind of question you should be able to answer straight away. There is a legal requirement to maintain a register of members...
I doubt that many membership organisations can give you an exact, and up-to-the minute figure. I expect most operate on an "as of the end of last month" (or whatever period) basis.
On 1 August 2012 21:27, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
I doubt that many membership organisations can give you an exact, and up-to-the minute figure. I expect most operate on an "as of the end of last month" (or whatever period) basis.
That depends on what you mean by "membership organisation". If you mean the legal members of a company limited by guarantee, then there is a legal requirement to have a up-to-date register of members at all times under Section 113 of the Companies Act 2006. Violation of that section is a criminal offence, committed by both the company and any responsible officers, punishable by a fine of up to £1,000. So, it's probably worth the overtime...
Organisations that just have something they call "membership" that they define themselves, then they can do what they like.
On 01/08/12 20:56, Richard Symonds wrote:
Them re-applying with a different address generates a new record for them on CiviCRM, so I need to check those 15 records and do some record merging to get the exact number.
And CiviCRM does indeed help with reconciling records....
Gordo
On 01/08/2012 20:09, Richard Symonds wrote:
240, including pending members who are yet to be approved.
That's quite a bit lower than the approx. 300 we've been working with since around the AGM. Has there been quite a few lapse in memberships in recent months?
KTC
On 01/08/12 22:03, Katie Chan wrote:
On 01/08/2012 20:09, Richard Symonds wrote:
240, including pending members who are yet to be approved.
That's quite a bit lower than the approx. 300 we've been working with since around the AGM. Has there been quite a few lapse in memberships in recent months?
KTC
I am still a member.....
Gordo
We now have 255 members, after board approvals.
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On 1 August 2012 22:28, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 01/08/12 22:03, Katie Chan wrote:
On 01/08/2012 20:09, Richard Symonds wrote:
240, including pending members who are yet to be approved.
That's quite a bit lower than the approx. 300 we've been working with since around the AGM. Has there been quite a few lapse in memberships in recent months?
KTC
I am still a member.....
Gordo
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Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a part of the Foundation.
We're a chapter of the Foundation, we're not part of it.
"The mission of the organisation must be in line with the mission of the Wikimedia Foundation."
Source: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requirements_for_future_chapters
That's where I get stuck. The UK Chapter's mission must toe the party line....
Gordo
The wmf mission is really broad
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mission_statement On Aug 1, 2012 11:03 PM, "Gordon Joly" gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a part of the Foundation.
We're a chapter of the Foundation, we're not part of it.
"The mission of the organisation must be in line with the mission of the Wikimedia Foundation."
Source: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requirements_for_future_chapters
That's where I get stuck. The UK Chapter's mission must toe the party line....
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On Aug 1, 2012 2:03 PM, "Gordon Joly" gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a
part of
the Foundation.
We're a chapter of the Foundation, we're not part of it.
"The mission of the organisation must be in line with the mission of the
Wikimedia Foundation."
Source: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requirements_for_future_chapters
That's where I get stuck. The UK Chapter's mission must toe the party
line....
Yes, and if the foundation changes its mission to include not having Fae as chair of a chapter, then that would be relevant to this discussion.
On 31 July 2012 09:22, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
The Telegraph seem to have picked this up...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/9439046/Chairman-of-Wikipedi...
At the end of the article, it states "*Wikimedia UK said it did not have an official view on pornography on Wikipedia as it does control the content or have responsibilty for it"*. (I added the emphasis). Stevie can you ask The Telegraph to fix this error?
Thank you for pointing that out. I've written for (another) correction.
Thanks,
Stevie
On 31 July 2012 14:21, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonewiki@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 July 2012 09:22, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
The Telegraph seem to have picked this up...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/9439046/Chairman-of-Wikipedi...
At the end of the article, it states "*Wikimedia UK said it did not have an official view on pornography on Wikipedia as it does control the content or have responsibilty for it"*. (I added the emphasis). Stevie can you ask The Telegraph to fix this error?
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Fixed now... it reads "Wikimedia UK said it did not have an official view on pornography on Wikipedia as it does not control the content or have responsibilty for it." Not quite what we said, but accurate enough for the Telegraph.
At least they've got a quote from Larry Sanger in there.
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On 31 July 2012 14:24, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Thank you for pointing that out. I've written for (another) correction.
Thanks,
Stevie
On 31 July 2012 14:21, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonewiki@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 July 2012 09:22, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.comwrote:
The Telegraph seem to have picked this up...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/9439046/Chairman-of-Wikipedi...
At the end of the article, it states "*Wikimedia UK said it did not have an official view on pornography on Wikipedia as it does control the content or have responsibilty for it"*. (I added the emphasis). Stevie can you ask The Telegraph to fix this error?
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On 31 July 2012 15:23, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
At least they've got a quote from Larry Sanger in there.
The Telegraph didn't just pick up this story from nowhere; it was obviously fed to them by someone. And given how the direction the article takes is in line with Larry Sanger's campaign against pornography on wikipedia, and that he has publicly denounced Fæ as a "clown", I wonder if Sanger was not the source of the article.
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