My Mum is active in her local branch of the University of the third age, they struck me as a perfect partner for such an evening course. Especially if the UK chapter were to offer the U3A a grant for hiring in approved Wikipedians to deliver said course.
But please call it something other than "creating your own wiki page". Aside from winding up the deletionists, that risks letting people think they own a page, or that they can create a page about them. Your hobby/profession/neighbourhood and Wikipedia would be OK, someone else will I hope come up with something snazzier.
But this definitely has legs.
We could also make use of a photographers version to explain commons to local photography clubs.
WereSpielChequers
On 1 June 2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put together a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an enevening course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether Martin made any progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into Wikipedia ... if we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time.
Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm planning to teach intro to Wiki editting next week. I have still to find some resources. Any help appreciated.
regards Roger B
On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
There is an education list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education%C2%A0which appears to be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone regularly checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who want to work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number of Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as well as a number of other people in various chapters involved in education stuffs, Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Hey Alex, Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my current focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my experience of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more material on the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point before leaping into account creation :)).
Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly different perspective - which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested in writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia article. On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource (and the potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with respect (i.e. quit the vandalism). Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching materials is happening? Tom On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
"High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities for too long. Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You may want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf project for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them yourself (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been developing a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though still a work in progress (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education).%C2%A0Alot has already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to be applied in the class room, Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Chris, Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active project that I'd missed :P I'm based in Lincolnshire.
Alex, I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again :)). Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think would net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in hearing about your work with the high school professors. In general: I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader here & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to schools on the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of that sort of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is that I've been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and the internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to cover is Wikipedia and WP editing. I could put together some teaching material & release it for others to use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could expand into if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies to get WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the curriculum (at the very least work with them to provide useful material for teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the training events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really interesting to explore. Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of kids turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to get an introduction to Wikipedia). And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support Wikipedia volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching kids can be damned hard! There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most important outreach areas in the UK. Tom
On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it mentioned at all since the new Board took office. Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, that would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom? Regards, Chris
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote: > > Hey all, > What is the status of our work with > schools/education? http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project%C2%A0seems > to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions > on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational > budget). > Is any of this still active? > I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school > work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major area > we could be focusing on. > I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, schools > and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider scale. > If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be > interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and > youth groups)? > Tom / ErrantX > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >
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Local history societies are good sources of enthusiastic amateurs who have lots of resources for any area (& they often meet in the back rooms of pubs :-). I have found they generally want to share the fruits of their labours.
I did a short paper for their journal a few years ago, (see http://www.balh.co.uk/lhn/article.php?file=lhn-vol1iss81-4.xml for un formatted version) and they are often looking for speakers willing to attend their meetings.
Rod
-----Original Message----- From: wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of WereSpielChequers Sent: 03 June 2011 14:48 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schools projects - evening courses
My Mum is active in her local branch of the University of the third age, they struck me as a perfect partner for such an evening course. Especially if the UK chapter were to offer the U3A a grant for hiring in approved Wikipedians to deliver said course.
But please call it something other than "creating your own wiki page". Aside from winding up the deletionists, that risks letting people think they own a page, or that they can create a page about them. Your hobby/profession/neighbourhood and Wikipedia would be OK, someone else will I hope come up with something snazzier.
But this definitely has legs.
We could also make use of a photographers version to explain commons to local photography clubs.
WereSpielChequers
On 1 June 2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put
together
a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an enevening course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether Martin made
any
progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into Wikipedia ...
if
we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time.
Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm planning to teach intro to Wiki editting next week. I have still to find some resources. Any help appreciated.
regards Roger B
On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
There is an education list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education%C2%A0which appears
to
be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone
regularly
checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who want
to
work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number of Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as well
as
a number of other people in various chapters involved in education
stuffs,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Hey Alex, Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my current focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my
experience
of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more material
on
the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point before leaping into account creation :)).
Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly different perspective - which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested in writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia
article.
On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource (and
the
potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with
respect
(i.e. quit the vandalism). Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching materials is happening? Tom On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
"High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities
for
too long. Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You
may
want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf
project
for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them yourself (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been
developing
a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though
still a
work in progress (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education).%C2%A0Alot
has
already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to be applied in the class room, Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Chris, Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active
project that
I'd missed :P I'm based in Lincolnshire.
Alex, I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again
:)).
Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think
would
net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in
hearing
about your work with the high school professors. In general: I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader here & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to
schools on
the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of that
sort
of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is
that I've
been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and the internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to
cover is
Wikipedia and WP editing. I could put together some teaching material & release it for others to use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could
expand into
if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies
to get
WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the
curriculum (at
the very least work with them to provide useful material for teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the
training
events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really
interesting
to explore. Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of
kids
turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to
get
an introduction to Wikipedia). And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support
Wikipedia
volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching kids
can be
damned hard! There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most important outreach areas in the UK. Tom
On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com
wrote:
I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it mentioned at all since the new Board took office. Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, that would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom? Regards, Chris
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote: > > Hey all, > What is the status of our work with >
schools/education? http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project%C2%A0 seems
> to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School
interactions
> on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the
educational
> budget). > Is any of this still active? > I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school > work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a
major area
> we could be focusing on. > I've got a decent amount of experience working with children,
schools
> and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider
scale.
> If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be > interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into
schools and
> youth groups)? > Tom / ErrantX > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >
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So we need a lead person or project.
Anything that (in time) would have a broader effect than a single evening course would I believe get a good hearing for seed funding/ support
Anyone? Roger B
On 3 June 2011 14:48, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
My Mum is active in her local branch of the University of the third age, they struck me as a perfect partner for such an evening course. Especially if the UK chapter were to offer the U3A a grant for hiring in approved Wikipedians to deliver said course.
But please call it something other than "creating your own wiki page". Aside from winding up the deletionists, that risks letting people think they own a page, or that they can create a page about them. Your hobby/profession/neighbourhood and Wikipedia would be OK, someone else will I hope come up with something snazzier.
But this definitely has legs.
We could also make use of a photographers version to explain commons to local photography clubs.
WereSpielChequers
On 1 June 2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put
together
a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an enevening course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether Martin made
any
progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into Wikipedia ...
if
we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time.
Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm planning to teach intro to Wiki editting next week. I have still to find some resources. Any help appreciated.
regards Roger B
On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
There is an education list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education which appears
to
be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone
regularly
checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who
want to
work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number of Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as
well as
a number of other people in various chapters involved in education
stuffs,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Hey Alex, Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my
current
focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my
experience
of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more material
on
the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point
before
leaping into account creation :)).
Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly different perspective - which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested
in
writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia
article.
On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource (and
the
potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with
respect
(i.e. quit the vandalism). Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching materials is happening? Tom On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
"High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities
for
too long. Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You
may
want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf
project
for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them
yourself
(http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been
developing
a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though
still a
work in progress (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot
has
already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to
be
applied in the class room, Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Chris, Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active
project that
I'd missed :P I'm based in Lincolnshire.
Alex, I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student
again :)).
Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think
would
net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in
hearing
about your work with the high school professors. In general: I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader
here
& my parents have their own business doing educational visits to
schools on
the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of that
sort
of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is
that I've
been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and
the
internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to
cover is
Wikipedia and WP editing. I could put together some teaching material & release it for others
to
use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could
expand into
if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies
to get
WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the
curriculum (at
the very least work with them to provide useful material for teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the
training
events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really
interesting
to explore. Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of
kids
turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and
to get
an introduction to Wikipedia). And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support
Wikipedia
volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching kids
can be
damned hard! There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most
important
outreach areas in the UK. Tom
On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com
wrote:
> > I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it > mentioned at all since the new Board took office. > Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it,
that
> would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom? > Regards, > Chris > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton > morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote: >> >> Hey all, >> What is the status of our work with >> schools/education?
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems
>> to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School
interactions
>> on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the
educational
>> budget). >> Is any of this still active? >> I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some
in-school
>> work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a
major area
>> we could be focusing on. >> I've got a decent amount of experience working with children,
schools
>> and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider
scale.
>> If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be >> interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into
schools and
>> youth groups)? >> Tom / ErrantX >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >
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This is an interesting line of thought.
I think a lot could be done with local experts.
I've been talking to my OU lecturer about this and they strike me as another good avenue for doing adult/expert education of Wikipedia.
Tom
On 3 June 2011 16:52, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
So we need a lead person or project.
Anything that (in time) would have a broader effect than a single evening course would I believe get a good hearing for seed funding/ support
Anyone? Roger B
On 3 June 2011 14:48, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.comwrote:
My Mum is active in her local branch of the University of the third age, they struck me as a perfect partner for such an evening course. Especially if the UK chapter were to offer the U3A a grant for hiring in approved Wikipedians to deliver said course.
But please call it something other than "creating your own wiki page". Aside from winding up the deletionists, that risks letting people think they own a page, or that they can create a page about them. Your hobby/profession/neighbourhood and Wikipedia would be OK, someone else will I hope come up with something snazzier.
But this definitely has legs.
We could also make use of a photographers version to explain commons to local photography clubs.
WereSpielChequers
On 1 June 2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put
together
a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an
enevening
course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether Martin made
any
progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into Wikipedia ...
if
we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time.
Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm planning to teach intro to Wiki editting next week. I have still to find some resources. Any help appreciated.
regards Roger B
On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
There is an education list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education which
appears to
be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone
regularly
checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who
want to
work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number of Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as
well as
a number of other people in various chapters involved in education
stuffs,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Hey Alex, Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my
current
focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my
experience
of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more
material on
the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point
before
leaping into account creation :)).
Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly
different perspective -
which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested
in
writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia
article.
On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource
(and the
potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with
respect
(i.e. quit the vandalism). Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching materials is happening? Tom On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
"High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities
for
too long. Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some
development
in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information.
You may
want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf
project
for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them
yourself
(http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been
developing
a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though
still a
work in progress (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot
has
already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to
be
applied in the class room, Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote: > > Chris, > Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try > and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active
project that
> I'd missed :P > I'm based in Lincolnshire. > > Alex, > I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks > like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student
again :)).
> Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think
would
> net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in
hearing
> about your work with the high school professors. > In general: > I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader
here
> & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to
schools on
> the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of
that sort
> of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is
that I've
> been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and
the
> internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to
cover is
> Wikipedia and WP editing. > I could put together some teaching material & release it for others
to
> use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could
expand into
> if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies
to get
> WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the
curriculum (at
> the very least work with them to provide useful material for > teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the
training
> events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really
interesting
> to explore. > Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with
some
> of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups
of kids
> turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and
to get
> an introduction to Wikipedia). > And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support
Wikipedia
> volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching
kids can be
> damned hard! > There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most
important
> outreach areas in the UK. > Tom > > On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com
wrote:
>> >> I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it >> mentioned at all since the new Board took office. >> Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it,
that
>> would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom? >> Regards, >> Chris >> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton >> morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote: >>> >>> Hey all, >>> What is the status of our work with >>> schools/education?
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems
>>> to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School
interactions
>>> on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the
educational
>>> budget). >>> Is any of this still active? >>> I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some
in-school
>>> work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a
major area
>>> we could be focusing on. >>> I've got a decent amount of experience working with children,
schools
>>> and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider
scale.
>>> If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be >>> interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into
schools and
>>> youth groups)? >>> Tom / ErrantX >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >
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Tom, WSC
Be Bold if you have time.
@Tom .... would the OU Do this for us? I could see it as a supplemental module to a number of courses.
regards Roger
On 3 June 2011 22:11, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
This is an interesting line of thought.
I think a lot could be done with local experts.
I've been talking to my OU lecturer about this and they strike me as another good avenue for doing adult/expert education of Wikipedia.
Tom
On 3 June 2011 16:52, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
So we need a lead person or project.
Anything that (in time) would have a broader effect than a single evening course would I believe get a good hearing for seed funding/ support
Anyone? Roger B
On 3 June 2011 14:48, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.comwrote:
My Mum is active in her local branch of the University of the third age, they struck me as a perfect partner for such an evening course. Especially if the UK chapter were to offer the U3A a grant for hiring in approved Wikipedians to deliver said course.
But please call it something other than "creating your own wiki page". Aside from winding up the deletionists, that risks letting people think they own a page, or that they can create a page about them. Your hobby/profession/neighbourhood and Wikipedia would be OK, someone else will I hope come up with something snazzier.
But this definitely has legs.
We could also make use of a photographers version to explain commons to local photography clubs.
WereSpielChequers
On 1 June 2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put
together
a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an
enevening
course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether Martin
made any
progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into Wikipedia
... if
we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time.
Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm planning to teach intro to
Wiki
editting next week. I have still to find some resources. Any help appreciated.
regards Roger B
On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
There is an education list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education which
appears to
be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone
regularly
checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who
want to
work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number
of
Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as
well as
a number of other people in various chapters involved in education
stuffs,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Hey Alex, Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my
current
focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my
experience
of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more
material on
the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point
before
leaping into account creation :)).
Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly
different perspective -
which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested
in
writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia
article.
On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource
(and the
potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with
respect
(i.e. quit the vandalism). Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching materials is happening? Tom On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote: > > "High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I > thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with
universities for
> too long. > Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some
development
> in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information.
You may
> want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf
project
> for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them
yourself
> (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been
developing
> a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though
still a
> work in progress (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot
has
> already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to
be
> applied in the class room, > Alex > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton > morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote: >> >> Chris, >> Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to
try
>> and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active
project that
>> I'd missed :P >> I'm based in Lincolnshire. >> >> Alex, >> I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks >> like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student
again :)).
>> Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I
think would
>> net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in
hearing
>> about your work with the high school professors. >> In general: >> I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader
here
>> & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to
schools on
>> the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of
that sort
>> of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is
that I've
>> been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and
the
>> internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to
cover is
>> Wikipedia and WP editing. >> I could put together some teaching material & release it for others
to
>> use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could
expand into
>> if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching
bodies to get
>> WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the
curriculum (at
>> the very least work with them to provide useful material for >> teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the
training
>> events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really
interesting
>> to explore. >> Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with
some
>> of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups
of kids
>> turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and
to get
>> an introduction to Wikipedia). >> And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support
Wikipedia
>> volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching
kids can be
>> damned hard! >> There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most
important
>> outreach areas in the UK. >> Tom >> >> On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com
wrote:
>>> >>> I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it >>> mentioned at all since the new Board took office. >>> Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it,
that
>>> would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom? >>> Regards, >>> Chris >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton >>> morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey all, >>>> What is the status of our work with >>>> schools/education?
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems
>>>> to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School
interactions
>>>> on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the
educational
>>>> budget). >>>> Is any of this still active? >>>> I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some
in-school
>>>> work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a
major area
>>>> we could be focusing on. >>>> I've got a decent amount of experience working with children,
schools
>>>> and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider
scale.
>>>> If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone
be
>>>> interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into
schools and
>>>> youth groups)? >>>> Tom / ErrantX >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >
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Has anyone been in touch with User:jbmurray regarding his use of Wikipedia in academia?
I know he's not in the UK, but it may be useful to put curious or interested UK academics in touch with him. I suspect he could highlight a lot of things to avoid, plus extol the educational virtues of getting students to contribute.
On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 14:07 +0100, Roger Bamkin wrote:
Tom, WSC
Be Bold if you have time.
@Tom .... would the OU Do this for us? I could see it as a supplemental module to a number of courses.
regards Roger
On 3 June 2011 22:11, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote: This is an interesting line of thought.
I think a lot could be done with local experts. I've been talking to my OU lecturer about this and they strike me as another good avenue for doing adult/expert education of Wikipedia. Tom On 3 June 2011 16:52, Roger Bamkin <victuallers@gmail.com> wrote: So we need a lead person or project. Anything that (in time) would have a broader effect than a single evening course would I believe get a good hearing for seed funding/ support Anyone? Roger B On 3 June 2011 14:48, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote: My Mum is active in her local branch of the University of the third age, they struck me as a perfect partner for such an evening course. Especially if the UK chapter were to offer the U3A a grant for hiring in approved Wikipedians to deliver said course. But please call it something other than "creating your own wiki page". Aside from winding up the deletionists, that risks letting people think they own a page, or that they can create a page about them. Your hobby/profession/neighbourhood and Wikipedia would be OK, someone else will I hope come up with something snazzier. But this definitely has legs. We could also make use of a photographers version to explain commons to local photography clubs. WereSpielChequers On 1 June 2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin <victuallers@gmail.com> wrote: > Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put together > a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an enevening > course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether Martin made any > progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there are a lot of > people who would like to put their local history work into Wikipedia ... if > we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time. > > Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm planning to teach intro to Wiki > editting next week. I have still to find some resources. Any help > appreciated. > > regards > Roger B > > On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson <stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu> wrote: >> >> There is an education list >> at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education which appears to >> be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone regularly >> checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who want to >> work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number of >> Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as well as >> a number of other people in various chapters involved in education stuffs, >> Alex >> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton >> <morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hey Alex, >>> Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of >>> content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my current >>> focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my experience >>> of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more material on >>> the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point before >>> leaping into account creation :)). >>> >>> Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing >>> Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly different perspective - >>> which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested in >>> writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia article. >>> On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource (and the >>> potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with respect >>> (i.e. quit the vandalism). >>> Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching >>> materials is happening? >>> Tom >>> On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson <stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> "High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I >>>> thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities for >>>> too long. >>>> Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development >>>> in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You may >>>> want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf project >>>> for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them yourself >>>> (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been developing >>>> a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though still a >>>> work in progress (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot has >>>> already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to be >>>> applied in the class room, >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton >>>> <morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Chris, >>>>> Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try >>>>> and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active project that >>>>> I'd missed :P >>>>> I'm based in Lincolnshire. >>>>> >>>>> Alex, >>>>> I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks >>>>> like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again :)). >>>>> Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think would >>>>> net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in hearing >>>>> about your work with the high school professors. >>>>> In general: >>>>> I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader here >>>>> & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to schools on >>>>> the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of that sort >>>>> of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is that I've >>>>> been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and the >>>>> internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to cover is >>>>> Wikipedia and WP editing. >>>>> I could put together some teaching material & release it for others to >>>>> use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could expand into >>>>> if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies to get >>>>> WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the curriculum (at >>>>> the very least work with them to provide useful material for >>>>> teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the training >>>>> events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really interesting >>>>> to explore. >>>>> Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some >>>>> of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of kids >>>>> turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to get >>>>> an introduction to Wikipedia). >>>>> And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support Wikipedia >>>>> volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching kids can be >>>>> damned hard! >>>>> There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most important >>>>> outreach areas in the UK. >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it >>>>>> mentioned at all since the new Board took office. >>>>>> Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, that >>>>>> would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom? >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton >>>>>> <morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>> What is the status of our work with >>>>>>> schools/education? http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems >>>>>>> to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions >>>>>>> on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational >>>>>>> budget). >>>>>>> Is any of this still active? >>>>>>> I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school >>>>>>> work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major area >>>>>>> we could be focusing on. >>>>>>> I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, schools >>>>>>> and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider scale. >>>>>>> If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be >>>>>>> interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and >>>>>>> youth groups)? >>>>>>> Tom / ErrantX >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>>>> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >>>>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>>> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >>>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> > > > > -- > Roger Bamkin > (aka Victuallers) > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Roger Bamkin (aka Victuallers) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org-- Roger Bamkin (aka Victuallers)
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