Hi all,
I know we've been here before but this one's a bit more specific and I'd like the group's advice.
The producer of Melvyn Bragg's In Our Time are wondering if there'd be any value in adding episodes from the In Our Time archive, which is now complete, to relevant Wikipedia entries? There are obviously many direct correspondences so it looks like it might make sense, for example, to add The Aristotle episode to the Aristotle entry, Anarchism to the Anarchism entry and so on.
Archive: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/in-our-time/archive/
Should we just allow entry editors to link to In Our Time episodes from citations? or is there a systematic way that this could be done? Could episodes be automatically added to entries where there is a direct metadata correspondence, for instance?
Would streaming audio be a useful addition to entries? Or would MP3s be better? Would it be useful if we added the whole In Our Time archive to the commons (I think that one's a bit of a longshot!). Are there any other clever things that In Our Time could be doing to improve entries?
Steve
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It would improve the articles to have these as external links, but it's probably best done on a case-by-case basis by human editors. What are the licensing conditions of the audio?
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, Steve Bowbrick wrote:
Hi all,
I know we've been here before but this one's a bit more specific and I'd like the group's advice.
The producer of Melvyn Bragg's In Our Time are wondering if there'd be any value in adding episodes from the In Our Time archive, which is now complete, to relevant Wikipedia entries? There are obviously many direct correspondences so it looks like it might make sense, for example, to add The Aristotle episode to the Aristotle entry, Anarchism to the Anarchism entry and so on.
Archive: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/in-our-time/archive/
Should we just allow entry editors to link to In Our Time episodes from citations? or is there a systematic way that this could be done? Could episodes be automatically added to entries where there is a direct metadata correspondence, for instance?
Would streaming audio be a useful addition to entries? Or would MP3s be better? Would it be useful if we added the whole In Our Time archive to the commons (I think that one's a bit of a longshot!). Are there any other clever things that In Our Time could be doing to improve entries?
Steve
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On 10 September 2010 14:06, Steve Bowbrick Steve.Bowbrick@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Should we just allow entry editors to link to In Our Time episodes from citations? or is there a systematic way that this could be done? Could episodes be automatically added to entries where there is a direct metadata correspondence, for instance?
If you're talking about an external link tacked on the end of an article, rather than a specific reference: an external link has to be one of the best few web links *in all the world* on that given topic.
I would guess off the top of my head that this is unlikely to be the case for a TV show on an article that isn't specifically about that TV show, though it conceivably could. It would have to be better than almost every possible external link of any type in the world, though.
Would streaming audio be a useful addition to entries? Or would MP3s be better? Would it be useful if we added the whole In Our Time archive to the commons (I think that one's a bit of a longshot!). Are there any other clever things that In Our Time could be doing to improve entries?
If you can clear the release thicket (and I have some idea of just how difficult that is) to get it released as actual, no-fooling, free content, per the definition,[1] then I can confidently say that we will go to considerable effort to laud you to the skies and tell the world.
The reason this would be remarkable is that we've spent about the last six years trying to work out how the BBC could feasibly release *anything whatsoever* under a proper free content licence. So you might have a bit of an uphill battle. Please do try, though!
- d.
[1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing - you really truly relinquish control and other people can freely spread derivatives for *any* purpose and even make money off it. In my experience, trying to explain this to media people explodes their heads. The usual way I explain why anyone would think this is a good idea is that (a) it works for us (b) the media person contacted us, not the other way around.
Not a TV show, David: a radio programme in which academic experts on the topic are interviewed and have to talk about their research for a lay audience. Usually much better than the typical WP EL and probably among the best links in the world for for further information on the topic: again, depending on the human judgement of article editors.
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, David Gerard wrote:
On 10 September 2010 14:06, Steve Bowbrick Steve.Bowbrick@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Should we just allow entry editors to link to In Our Time episodes from citations? or is there a systematic way that this could be done? Could episodes be automatically added to entries where there is a direct metadata correspondence, for instance?
If you're talking about an external link tacked on the end of an article, rather than a specific reference: an external link has to be one of the best few web links *in all the world* on that given topic.
I would guess off the top of my head that this is unlikely to be the case for a TV show on an article that isn't specifically about that TV show, though it conceivably could. It would have to be better than almost every possible external link of any type in the world, though.
On 10 September 2010 14:19, Martin Poulter M.L.Poulter@bristol.ac.uk wrote:
Not a TV show, David: a radio programme in which academic experts on the topic are interviewed and have to talk about their research for a lay audience. Usually much better than the typical WP EL and probably among the best links in the world for for further information on the topic: again, depending on the human judgement of article editors.
I think the level of usefulness will in large part depend on the subject. A programme on the Pharaoh Akhenaten is likely to be a good external link for that article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00mwsly
whilst a broad discussion on "Africa" would be much less directly useful on the article about the continent:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00545ld
The best approach here might be to try the automatic topic-matching to Wikipedia articles, bur rather than dropping the links into the articles - which would probably lead to at least one person getting very upset and trying to remove them all again, and it'd be messy - link them on the talkpages with a note explaining what /In Our Time/ is, for those editors unfamiliar with it, and asking them to decide if it would be useful either as a "further reading" style external link, or if it could be used as a source for developing the article itself.
On 10 September 2010 14:06, Steve Bowbrick Steve.Bowbrick@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Archive: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/in-our-time/archive/
Sorry, radio not TV :-) Presumably radio would make the rights easier to clear.
Would streaming audio be a useful addition to entries? Or would MP3s be better? Would it be useful if we added the whole In Our Time archive to the commons (I think that one's a bit of a longshot!). Are there any other clever things that In Our Time could be doing to improve entries?
BTW, this would need to be Ogg or FLAC. But that's easy.
- d.
On 10/09/2010 14:18, David Gerard wrote:
Sorry, radio not TV:-) Presumably radio would make the rights easier to clear.
Yeah, like "Desert Island Discs"?
:-)
"Desert Island Discs was created by Roy Plomley in 1942, and the format is simple: a guest is invited by Kirsty Young to choose the eight records they would take with them to a desert island...."
Gordo
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Steve Bowbrick Steve.Bowbrick@bbc.co.uk wrote:
The producer of Melvyn Bragg's In Our Time are wondering if there'd be any value in adding episodes from the In Our Time archive, which is now complete, to relevant Wikipedia entries?
This is fab! I am a great fan of In Our Time and as someone else said, the programmes would certainly be suitable additions to some of our articles.
I agree with others that a first step should be to see if they will license the programmes in accordance with Wikipedia's content, ie for upload to Commons. If not, I can't really see how we could use the content more directly than merely to provide an external link.
If they were on Commons people would be able, I assume, to use clips of the shows in articles for which the whole programme isn't relevant, which would be marvellous.
User:Bodnotbod.
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Steve Bowbrick
The producer of Melvyn Bragg's In Our Time are wondering if there'd be any value in adding episodes from the In Our Time archive, which is now complete, to relevant Wikipedia entries?
This is fab! I am a great fan of In Our Time and as someone else said, the programmes would certainly be suitable additions to some of our articles.
If there are transcripts that are licensable they would go well on WikiSource.
On 15 September 2010 23:40, Richard Farmbrough richard@farmbrough.co.ukwrote:
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Steve Bowbrick
The producer of Melvyn Bragg's In Our Time are wondering if there'd be any value in adding episodes from the In Our Time archive, which is now complete, to relevant Wikipedia entries?
This is fab! I am a great fan of In Our Time and as someone else said, the programmes would certainly be suitable additions to some of our articles.
If there are transcripts that are licensable they would go well on WikiSource.
As you've seen elsewhere on this mailinglist I'm convening GLAM-WIKI in
London later this year. One of the attendees on a panel session will be from the BBC archives and the director of the archives wrote to us directly to suggest him. I've written back to thank him but also to point him to the issues raised in this thread and see if there was any possibility along these lines. We'll see :-)
-Liam
I created a template to link to the 330 episodes, {{In Our Time}}, and put instructions on about 100 talk pages. The template links to the synopsis page and to the listen again page. Status of placing the links is also on the template documentation page.
On 16/09/2010 03:09, Liam Wyatt wrote:
On 15 September 2010 23:40, Richard Farmbrough <richard@farmbrough.co.uk mailto:richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Steve Bowbrick >> The producer of Melvyn Bragg's In Our Time are wondering if there'd be >> any value in adding episodes from the In Our Time archive, which is now >> complete, to relevant Wikipedia entries? > This is fab! I am a great fan of In Our Time and as someone else said, > the programmes would certainly be suitable additions to some of our > articles. If there are transcripts that are licensable they would go well on WikiSource.As you've seen elsewhere on this mailinglist I'm convening GLAM-WIKI in London later this year. One of the attendees on a panel session will be from the BBC archives and the director of the archives wrote to us directly to suggest him. I've written back to thank him but also to point him to the issues raised in this thread and see if there was any possibility along these lines. We'll see :-)
-Liam
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On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Richard Farmbrough richard@farmbrough.co.uk wrote:
I created a template to link to the 330 episodes, {{In Our Time}}, and put instructions on about 100 talk pages. The template links to the synopsis page and to the listen again page. Status of placing the links is also on the template documentation page.
That's brilliant Richard! I was aware that there was a pretty good archive of the programmes on the BBC site but I had no idea that many were available. Great work.
User:Bodnotbod
New series of "In Our Time" starts today!
Gordo
On 23/09/2010 09:00, Gordon Joly wrote:
New series of "In Our Time" starts today!
Gordo
Sorry, but I must have imagined this....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tt6b2
Gordo
Hi all, we had a small meetup in Bristol after Jimmy's talk, where we discussed potential partners such as museums, libraries and societies and how we can make use of meetings with them. I've written up some ideas here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Bristol/Local_outrea...
Clearly some fantastic work is already going on with the GLAM sector nationally, and locally Steve Virgin has been up to an enormous amount of local networking that this would build on. It would be great to get together a list of contacts and where we are with them. The above page could be used to list partners we're engaging with, and perhaps there should be a private page somewhere for sharing contact names, phone numbers and finding dates when we and the contacts are available.
It may seem odd to put it in Wikiproject Bristol, and it's not ideal, but frankly I'm a bit confused by all the different places where WP/WM outreach material is supposed to go, and most importantly there are local Wikipedians who are crucial to the success of this effort, who can't be assumed to be watching the other sites (until we get interwiki watchlists).
Any input welcome,
There is a general table at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM-WIKI/Events which was the result of collecting contacts after the London GLAM-WIKI and I would see no harm in extending it or using it as a model. This is a bit passive as a way of managing follow-ups but the default approach (rather than a strategy) has been to offer and then see if the organizations follow-up with us rather than the reverse. Of course, as soon as a contact is made and things get going then it is worth forming an active collaboration page ( such as the latest, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/DER ).
Note, on the uk.wiki we have taken care not to publish contact details directly (only the Wikimedian point of contact) in order to avoid any problems with random strangers data-mining the information and the idea was to stick to direct email if we need to share contact info.
On 20 January 2011 16:03, Martin Poulter M.L.Poulter@bristol.ac.uk wrote:
Hi all, we had a small meetup in Bristol after Jimmy's talk, where we discussed potential partners such as museums, libraries and societies and how we can make use of meetings with them. I've written up some ideas here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Bristol/Local_outrea...
Clearly some fantastic work is already going on with the GLAM sector nationally, and locally Steve Virgin has been up to an enormous amount of local networking that this would build on. It would be great to get together a list of contacts and where we are with them. The above page could be used to list partners we're engaging with, and perhaps there should be a private page somewhere for sharing contact names, phone numbers and finding dates when we and the contacts are available.
It may seem odd to put it in Wikiproject Bristol, and it's not ideal, but frankly I'm a bit confused by all the different places where WP/WM outreach material is supposed to go, and most importantly there are local Wikipedians who are crucial to the success of this effort, who can't be assumed to be watching the other sites (until we get interwiki watchlists).
Any input welcome,
Dr Martin L Poulter ICT Manager, The Economics Network Based at the ILRT, University of Bristol: http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/
The full experience: http://infobomb.org/ Wikipedia contributor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MartinPoulter Bias research: http://biasandbelief.wordpress.com/ Comedy music: http://www.myspace.com/glandscape Community blog: http://doodznchyx.wordpress.com/
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Martin, Looks good. (Flattered to see you included the bit about the increased traffic on A History of the World in 100 Objects.) and the large increase in traffic. As you note the museums have the suff but we have the 400,000,000 visitors per month. Mike Peel took a photo at the BM amnd 3.8 million people saw it.
I'm keen to see the UK initiatives to be seen as competing and co-operative. Is there opportunity to link up Bristol Museum with the project announced in Derby? I have suggested elsewhere that we have people learning from the collaboration day that happens before them and carrying the good points to the next. I have been after another museum outside London and yours seem close to being approached.
I'm sad I didnt make it to Bristol but I will be there for the wikimedia meeting later this year
cheers Roger aka Victuallers
Link here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Derby Press release http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/First_GLAMWIKI_outside_Capital
On 20 January 2011 16:03, Martin Poulter M.L.Poulter@bristol.ac.uk wrote:
Hi all, we had a small meetup in Bristol after Jimmy's talk, where we discussed potential partners such as museums, libraries and societies and how we can make use of meetings with them. I've written up some ideas here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Bristol/Local_outrea...
Clearly some fantastic work is already going on with the GLAM sector nationally, and locally Steve Virgin has been up to an enormous amount of local networking that this would build on. It would be great to get together a list of contacts and where we are with them. The above page could be used to list partners we're engaging with, and perhaps there should be a private page somewhere for sharing contact names, phone numbers and finding dates when we and the contacts are available.
It may seem odd to put it in Wikiproject Bristol, and it's not ideal, but frankly I'm a bit confused by all the different places where WP/WM outreach material is supposed to go, and most importantly there are local Wikipedians who are crucial to the success of this effort, who can't be assumed to be watching the other sites (until we get interwiki watchlists).
Any input welcome,
Dr Martin L Poulter ICT Manager, The Economics Network Based at the ILRT, University of Bristol: http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/
The full experience: http://infobomb.org/ Wikipedia contributor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MartinPoulter Bias research: http://biasandbelief.wordpress.com/ Comedy music: http://www.myspace.com/glandscape Community blog: http://doodznchyx.wordpress.com/
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Roger
We have approached the Bristol Museum (about a year ago) in an attempt to get them involved in Britain Loves Wikipedia. Although there was goodwill and interest, there was a lack of commitment at the top and this led nowhere back then. All of the museums FIVE of them, are owned by the City Council. They sponsored Jimmy Wales' talk in Bristol & gave us a live webcast of the event for free. Therefore, I think the 'ice' at the top of the Council organisation is beginning to 'thaw' & that the Wikimedia team down here in Bristol has to go back in & speak to the people behind the museum. This is likely to be a direct outcome of Jimmy's visit.
There is added impetus as well. There is a new museum being built in Bristol that may be opening later this year (don't know for sure). If I am right the council/museum organisers are going to be looking at ways to promote the new collection so the next couple of months might be perfect to go back in.
Therefore, I for one, am very interested in what you are doing in Derby. Please keep me posted. Maybe we can share the lessons if we get the five Bristol Museums back onside
Steve
From: wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Roger Bamkin Sent: 20 January 2011 19:27 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Ideas for local engagement
Martin, Looks good. (Flattered to see you included the bit about the increased traffic on A History of the World in 100 Objects.) and the large increase in traffic. As you note the museums have the suff but we have the 400,000,000 visitors per month. Mike Peel took a photo at the BM amnd 3.8 million people saw it.
I'm keen to see the UK initiatives to be seen as competing and co-operative. Is there opportunity to link up Bristol Museum with the project announced in Derby? I have suggested elsewhere that we have people learning from the collaboration day that happens before them and carrying the good points to the next. I have been after another museum outside London and yours seem close to being approached.
I'm sad I didnt make it to Bristol but I will be there for the wikimedia meeting later this year
cheers Roger aka Victuallers
Link here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Derby Press release http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/First_GLAMWIKI_outside_Capital
On 20 January 2011 16:03, Martin Poulter M.L.Poulter@bristol.ac.uk wrote:
Hi all, we had a small meetup in Bristol after Jimmy's talk, where we discussed potential partners such as museums, libraries and societies and how we can make use of meetings with them. I've written up some ideas here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Bristol/Local_outrea ch
Clearly some fantastic work is already going on with the GLAM sector nationally, and locally Steve Virgin has been up to an enormous amount of local networking that this would build on. It would be great to get together a list of contacts and where we are with them. The above page could be used to list partners we're engaging with, and perhaps there should be a private page somewhere for sharing contact names, phone numbers and finding dates when we and the contacts are available.
It may seem odd to put it in Wikiproject Bristol, and it's not ideal, but frankly I'm a bit confused by all the different places where WP/WM outreach material is supposed to go, and most importantly there are local Wikipedians who are crucial to the success of this effort, who can't be assumed to be watching the other sites (until we get interwiki watchlists).
Any input welcome, -- Dr Martin L Poulter ICT Manager, The Economics Network Based at the ILRT, University of Bristol: http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/
The full experience: http://infobomb.org/ Wikipedia contributor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MartinPoulter Bias research: http://biasandbelief.wordpress.com/ Comedy music: http://www.myspace.com/glandscape Community blog: http://doodznchyx.wordpress.com/
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Hi all,
It would definitely be good to see more local outreach; what we've been doing so far in the UK isn't really sustainable (myself and other board members can only spend so much time traveling to meet other organisations. ;-) ). What Martin's started writing looks great to me, and I really hope that a Bristol community can develop out of it that is regularly interacting with all of the appropriate local organisations in Bristol.
With a private workspace: we have a Wikimedia UK 'internal' wiki, which we used to organise GLAM-WIKI. I can't foresee any problems with giving 'trusted wikimedians' access to this as a private workspace for GLAM, or anything else Wikimedia and UK related. Would this be suitable? If not, it's trivial for us to set up a new wiki if you want.
I've now got experience from a number of meetings with museums around the UK, without as detailed a plan of the meeting as the new page sets out - so if there are questions that you think might be raised that would be difficult to answer, let me know and I'll explain what response I would give.
Thanks, Mike
On 20 Jan 2011, at 20:12, steve virgin wrote:
Roger
We have approached the Bristol Museum (about a year ago) in an attempt to get them involved in Britain Loves Wikipedia. Although there was goodwill and interest, there was a lack of commitment at the top and this led nowhere back then. All of the museums FIVE of them, are owned by the City Council. They sponsored Jimmy Wales’ talk in Bristol & gave us a live webcast of the event for free. Therefore, I think the ‘ice’ at the top of the Council organisation is beginning to ‘thaw’ & that the Wikimedia team down here in Bristol has to go back in & speak to the people behind the museum. This is likely to be a direct outcome of Jimmy’s visit.
There is added impetus as well. There is a new museum being built in Bristol that may be opening later this year (don’t know for sure). If I am right the council/museum organisers are going to be looking at ways to promote the new collection so the next couple of months might be perfect to go back in.
Therefore, I for one, am very interested in what you are doing in Derby. Please keep me posted. Maybe we can share the lessons if we get the five Bristol Museums back onside
Steve
From: wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Roger Bamkin Sent: 20 January 2011 19:27 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Ideas for local engagement
Martin, Looks good. (Flattered to see you included the bit about the increased traffic on A History of the World in 100 Objects.) and the large increase in traffic. As you note the museums have the suff but we have the 400,000,000 visitors per month. Mike Peel took a photo at the BM amnd 3.8 million people saw it.
I'm keen to see the UK initiatives to be seen as competing and co-operative. Is there opportunity to link up Bristol Museum with the project announced in Derby? I have suggested elsewhere that we have people learning from the collaboration day that happens before them and carrying the good points to the next. I have been after another museum outside London and yours seem close to being approached.
I'm sad I didnt make it to Bristol but I will be there for the wikimedia meeting later this year
cheers Roger aka Victuallers
Link here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Derby Press release http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/First_GLAMWIKI_outside_Capital
On 20 January 2011 16:03, Martin Poulter M.L.Poulter@bristol.ac.uk wrote: Hi all, we had a small meetup in Bristol after Jimmy's talk, where we discussed potential partners such as museums, libraries and societies and how we can make use of meetings with them. I've written up some ideas here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Bristol/Local_outrea...
Clearly some fantastic work is already going on with the GLAM sector nationally, and locally Steve Virgin has been up to an enormous amount of local networking that this would build on. It would be great to get together a list of contacts and where we are with them. The above page could be used to list partners we're engaging with, and perhaps there should be a private page somewhere for sharing contact names, phone numbers and finding dates when we and the contacts are available.
It may seem odd to put it in Wikiproject Bristol, and it's not ideal, but frankly I'm a bit confused by all the different places where WP/WM outreach material is supposed to go, and most importantly there are local Wikipedians who are crucial to the success of this effort, who can't be assumed to be watching the other sites (until we get interwiki watchlists).
Any input welcome,
Dr Martin L Poulter ICT Manager, The Economics Network Based at the ILRT, University of Bristol: http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/
The full experience: http://infobomb.org/ Wikipedia contributor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MartinPoulter Bias research: http://biasandbelief.wordpress.com/ Comedy music: http://www.myspace.com/glandscape Community blog: http://doodznchyx.wordpress.com/
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-- Roger Bamkin (aka Victuallers)
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Thanks for the reply Steve, I'd be happy to help bring them in if you feel there is a chance. A possibility is to invite someone to Derby if it looks good in March (ie a month before). There is meant to be a planning meeting a month before Derby which interested parties could attend. I suspect that museums may be £encouraged up the aisle" if they see other museums getting "unfair?" attention. Bristol may see the value of announcing their event to a room full of wikipedians. Still your call. I attended Bristol Museum when then had "Bristol Museum versus Banksy" and was impressed that they (and Banksy) allowed free photography.
regards Roger aka Victuallers
On 20 January 2011 20:12, steve virgin steve@mediafocusuk.com wrote:
Roger
We have approached the Bristol Museum (about a year ago) in an attempt to get them involved in Britain Loves Wikipedia. Although there was goodwill and interest, there was a lack of commitment at the top and this led nowhere back then. All of the museums FIVE of them, are owned by the City Council. They sponsored Jimmy Wales’ talk in Bristol & gave us a live webcast of the event for free. Therefore, I think the ‘ice’ at the top of the Council organisation is beginning to ‘thaw’ & that the Wikimedia team down here in Bristol has to go back in & speak to the people behind the museum. This is likely to be a direct outcome of Jimmy’s visit.
There is added impetus as well. There is a new museum being built in Bristol that may be opening later this year (don’t know for sure). If I am right the council/museum organisers are going to be looking at ways to promote the new collection so the next couple of months might be perfect to go back in.
Therefore, I for one, am very interested in what you are doing in Derby. Please keep me posted. Maybe we can share the lessons if we get the five Bristol Museums back onside
Steve
*From:* wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Roger Bamkin *Sent:* 20 January 2011 19:27 *To:* wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Ideas for local engagement
Martin, Looks good. (Flattered to see you included the bit about the increased traffic on A History of the World in 100 Objects.) and the large increase in traffic. As you note the museums have the suff but we have the 400,000,000 visitors per month. Mike Peel took a photo at the BM amnd 3.8 million people saw it.
I'm keen to see the UK initiatives to be seen as competing and co-operative. Is there opportunity to link up Bristol Museum with the project announced in Derby? I have suggested elsewhere that we have people learning from the collaboration day that happens before them and carrying the good points to the next. I have been after another museum outside London and yours seem close to being approached.
I'm sad I didnt make it to Bristol but I will be there for the wikimedia meeting later this year
cheers Roger aka Victuallers
Link here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Derby Press release http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/First_GLAMWIKI_outside_Capital
On 20 January 2011 16:03, Martin Poulter M.L.Poulter@bristol.ac.uk wrote:
Hi all, we had a small meetup in Bristol after Jimmy's talk, where we discussed potential partners such as museums, libraries and societies and how we can make use of meetings with them. I've written up some ideas here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Bristol/Local_outrea...
Clearly some fantastic work is already going on with the GLAM sector nationally, and locally Steve Virgin has been up to an enormous amount of local networking that this would build on. It would be great to get together a list of contacts and where we are with them. The above page could be used to list partners we're engaging with, and perhaps there should be a private page somewhere for sharing contact names, phone numbers and finding dates when we and the contacts are available.
It may seem odd to put it in Wikiproject Bristol, and it's not ideal, but frankly I'm a bit confused by all the different places where WP/WM outreach material is supposed to go, and most importantly there are local Wikipedians who are crucial to the success of this effort, who can't be assumed to be watching the other sites (until we get interwiki watchlists).
Any input welcome,
Dr Martin L Poulter ICT Manager, The Economics Network Based at the ILRT, University of Bristol: http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/
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What's happening in conjunction with Derby Museum? Doug
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the reply Steve, I'd be happy to help bring them in if you feel there is a chance. A possibility is to invite someone to Derby if it looks good in March (ie a month before). There is meant to be a planning meeting a month before Derby which interested parties could attend. I suspect that museums may be £encouraged up the aisle" if they see other museums getting "unfair?" attention. Bristol may see the value of announcing their event to a room full of wikipedians. Still your call. I attended Bristol Museum when then had "Bristol Museum versus Banksy" and was impressed that they (and Banksy) allowed free photography.
regards Roger aka Victuallers
On 20 January 2011 20:12, steve virgin steve@mediafocusuk.com wrote:
Roger
We have approached the Bristol Museum (about a year ago) in an attempt to get them involved in Britain Loves Wikipedia. Although there was goodwill and interest, there was a lack of commitment at the top and this led nowhere back then. All of the museums FIVE of them, are owned by the City Council. They sponsored Jimmy Wales’ talk in Bristol & gave us a live webcast of the event for free. Therefore, I think the ‘ice’ at the top of the Council organisation is beginning to ‘thaw’ & that the Wikimedia team down here in Bristol has to go back in & speak to the people behind the museum. This is likely to be a direct outcome of Jimmy’s visit.
There is added impetus as well. There is a new museum being built in Bristol that may be opening later this year (don’t know for sure). If I am right the council/museum organisers are going to be looking at ways to promote the new collection so the next couple of months might be perfect to go back in.
Therefore, I for one, am very interested in what you are doing in Derby. Please keep me posted. Maybe we can share the lessons if we get the five Bristol Museums back onside
Steve
From: wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Roger Bamkin Sent: 20 January 2011 19:27 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Ideas for local engagement
Martin, Looks good. (Flattered to see you included the bit about the increased traffic on A History of the World in 100 Objects.) and the large increase in traffic. As you note the museums have the suff but we have the 400,000,000 visitors per month. Mike Peel took a photo at the BM amnd 3.8 million people saw it.
I'm keen to see the UK initiatives to be seen as competing and co-operative. Is there opportunity to link up Bristol Museum with the project announced in Derby? I have suggested elsewhere that we have people learning from the collaboration day that happens before them and carrying the good points to the next. I have been after another museum outside London and yours seem close to being approached.
I'm sad I didnt make it to Bristol but I will be there for the wikimedia meeting later this year
cheers Roger aka Victuallers
Link here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Derby Press release http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/First_GLAMWIKI_outside_Capital
On 20 January 2011 16:03, Martin Poulter M.L.Poulter@bristol.ac.uk wrote:
Hi all, we had a small meetup in Bristol after Jimmy's talk, where we discussed potential partners such as museums, libraries and societies and how we can make use of meetings with them. I've written up some ideas here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Bristol/Local_outrea...
Clearly some fantastic work is already going on with the GLAM sector nationally, and locally Steve Virgin has been up to an enormous amount of local networking that this would build on. It would be great to get together a list of contacts and where we are with them. The above page could be used to list partners we're engaging with, and perhaps there should be a private page somewhere for sharing contact names, phone numbers and finding dates when we and the contacts are available.
It may seem odd to put it in Wikiproject Bristol, and it's not ideal, but frankly I'm a bit confused by all the different places where WP/WM outreach material is supposed to go, and most importantly there are local Wikipedians who are crucial to the success of this effort, who can't be assumed to be watching the other sites (until we get interwiki watchlists).
Any input welcome,
Dr Martin L Poulter ICT Manager, The Economics Network Based at the ILRT, University of Bristol: http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/
The full experience: http://infobomb.org/ Wikipedia contributor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MartinPoulter Bias research: http://biasandbelief.wordpress.com/ Comedy music: http://www.myspace.com/glandscape Community blog: http://doodznchyx.wordpress.com/
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On 15/09/2010 18:20, Bod Notbod wrote:
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Steve Bowbrick Steve.Bowbrick@bbc.co.uk wrote:
The producer of Melvyn Bragg's In Our Time are wondering if there'd be any value in adding episodes from the In Our Time archive, which is now complete, to relevant Wikipedia entries?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00txj8d
Listening (now) to experts speaking about the Oracle at Delphi....
Gordo
Hi Gordon, how's things? Doug
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 15/09/2010 18:20, Bod Notbod wrote:
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Steve Bowbrick Steve.Bowbrick@bbc.co.uk wrote:
The producer of Melvyn Bragg's In Our Time are wondering if there'd be any value in adding episodes from the In Our Time archive, which is now complete, to relevant Wikipedia entries?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00txj8d
Listening (now) to experts speaking about the Oracle at Delphi....
Gordo
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On 30/09/2010 09:35, Doug Weller wrote:
Hi Gordon, how's things? Doug
Fine!
Gordo
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