Pardon my intrusion on this thread, but within reason*, if any college or other educational institution chooses to be 'proprietary only' (never mind antediluvian - IE6? really? or is that an XP issue?) FOSSers are prepared to take it up 'officially' with them, reminding them of the nation's commitment to education without strings attached. This is fyi to listers, and I shan't mention it again, but please do consider notifying your friendly neighbourhood FOSSer with details of the person to contact (principal/director etc) for assistance and action. This in turn will get reflected to a FOSS forum (fosscomm is one such) and will hopefully result in notifying the institution concerned as well as the possibility of a local FOSS-based firm offering upgrade services.
*ie FOSS as a movement is in continuous need of resources as well, but education is a major priority
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda@gmail.com> wrote:
Also forgot to tell you. My college uses ONLY systems with Windows XP and Internet Explorer 6. Most students are from a Tamil background, and they read Tamil websites, Wikipedia very often.
On 12/13/11, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik.lak@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Pardon for a long mail, just unavoidable.
We have seen the WebFonts roll out[0] last night to most Indic wikis
except
Malayalam and Tamil. We in Tamil Community felt WebFonts extension is
just
not ready for us. We would like to share on why we in Tamil community
didnt
chose webfonts and also what could work better in future for Indic communities during technology adoption.
- *Unavailability of "Quality Free fonts"* :-
During the development, our request for not setting the default font as a lower quality font was rejected citing "it will defeat the purpose of extension".[1] The available fonts had issues and deploying the extension with those low quality fonts to everyone would not only defeat the
purpose
of extension, but also gives Tamil Wikipedia a bad image when people just cant read the fonts even though they had better fonts in system. (Just
like
how i18n team says people who see boxes will just simply close the
window,
we say giving these poor fonts will also lead to same thing and not help the cause, instead will also hurt those who have better fonts.).
- *Quality of User Experience* :-
We are a smaller wiki, we have a smaller reader base, but still we are ranked 7th most visited website in Tamil according to alexa[2]. Just like how no-nonsense / no-mediocrity is tolerated in any code that enters WMF cluster, any change which will affect the site's look and feel, user experience will have to be of highest standards and must be accepted by community. WebFonts were just not ready to enter Wikipedia, since it changes the UX for all the readers to help a potentially lower number of users who dont have Tamil fonts than the current existing reader base.
*What we feel was wrong in WebFonts deployment*
We have also been seeing the wikis where they have been rolled out and reporting issues. We ourselves are reporting issues inspite of not taking WebFonts, with the hope software just gets better and some day we can deploy them. Dont get us wrong, we are not against technology, we just
need
it in better form and are not in any urgency. (After all we at Ta wiki initiated an RFC and asked Webfonts even before the announcement was
made).
We would also like to mention some points which we feel i18n team could have done better for a smoother launch.
- *Font Testing* :-
The point of language support team is that the people who are aware of language give feedback to make any software better supported for the language. We are not sure if Font-Testing was ever done at all for those languages where the WebFonts were deployed. The hinting issue which was a concern and made us raise against deployment in Tamil is also present in Hindi,Sanskrit,Telugu(atleast till we saw) and gave the same worst readability. The i18n team did font assessment[3], testing only 1 word to test the font. Can any font be tested with just rendering of 4
characters /
1 word? For Tamil,we did a test in little more comprehensive way(We would not say its complete)[4]. This should have been a *must* to see
rendering /
font issues with chosen default font especially since the fonts are being set default to every single user to the site. Sadly community was
involved
the least, a note was posted in Village pumps and we dont think community involved itself in any testing and poor quality was eventually pushed without proper testing.
- *Real world testing* :-
Though cross browser testing was done, there was a severe lack of real world testing and as a result we are seeing a host of issues being discovered post launch. Average PC in India might have 1 GB RAM, Firefox
3
/ 4, worse IE 5.5 / IE6 on 100 Kbps semi-broadband connection. We cannot tell them move to latest or ignore them. More care should have been taken especially since the webfonts is bound to set a default font.
With only a few hours of testing serious issues have been found - in IE
8
where webfonts might be rolled back [5], IE 7.0 (where webfonts dont
work)
[6] , ubuntu + Firefox (fixed now) [7] and Win+Firefox 5.0, [8]. We are still testing for other browsers and usecases and dont know how many
issues
we will discover. In short - This code is not ready to go live,
especially
when it is being made default compulsorily for everyone. There are
serious
performance issues for typical Indian internet connections as well.[9]
- *Communication and Community Engagement* :-
Most of the above things could have solved earlier if there was more communication and community engagement. We asked for more information, engagement on this very list. There was no reply to the mail on
increasing
community engagement for i18n projects[10]. Most communities know
WebFonts
is coming on Dec 12, didnt know what was coming, any further details. Worse, Even Indic Consultant was not having clear information. Why this lack of transparency? Community is more than willing to help, if only
they
are informed. Even though we did not take up WebFonts, we have spent time to help making it better.
And the end users in the wikis dont know where to report and follow up issues. (Not everyone is aware of and familiar with the Bugzilla
process).
The request we raised to have a visible bug reporting link has not been acted upon [11]. There might be a lot of issues going unreported, because people dont know whom to report to. When a change of this scale is being done, Community admins must be advised to run Sitenotice campaigns to inform the users about the change with some solid newbie oriented documentation. Infact this must be done for RFC itself, so as to make an informed decision. We did the same for RFC in Tamil[12].
*Proposal for Future i18n / any special deployments to Indic
wikiprojects*:-
The WebFonts deployment is a classic example of making deployment without enough community engagement. Can this done in any of English / German / Russian wikipedia which have a strong community? The fact that Tamil / Malayalam resisted was because the community had concerns over the solution. Till an hour before deployment yesterday, we did not know if Ta wiki projects will get webfonts despite our objections. We had been pursuing Siebrand and Gerard across forums - facebook, twitter, meta talk pages, village pumps, gmail chat etc looking for answers. But till the deployment happened, we had no clue what we would be getting. This method of deploying in silence *must* stop ASAP. Any deployment to any Indic
wiki
must go through the community (language support teams) informed of the change with Indic Consultant kept in loop. We suggest Shiju Alex to work
on
a policy and put it in place regarding this. If there is problem identifying community members to help, we are sure Shiju will help connecting.
Irrespective of that happening Tamil Wiki Projects will follow this
process.
- Test any deployment on translatewiki
- File Bugs and verify in translatewiki till it reaches acceptable
level.
- Language support team member will make a RFC page explaining the
merits
/ demerits of the technology in simple terms with use of screenshots / external links 4. Reverify / Ask for deployment in largely-inactive Wikiprojects like WikiQuote / WikiBooks *post community concensus* 5. Test again / File Bugs 6. Reverify / Ask for deployment Wikiprojects next in line in terms of activity ( Wiktionary / Wikinews/ Wikisource) 7. Test again / File Bugs 8. Only after ironing out all issues, any deployment will be allowed in Tamil Wikipedia.
We had burnt our fingers during Narayam deployment already once and community was so resistive of Narayam itself and was asking to go back to older javascript solution. After that we followed the above process for bringing back Narayam on all Tamil Wikiprojects.
We suggest the other communities adopt something similar. We sincerely
hope
that the community engagement is improved, not just before deployment,
even
from start of development.
[0] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/12/going-live-december-12-2011/ [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30506 [2] http://www.alexa.com/topsites/category/Top/World/Tamil [3] http://translatewiki.net/wiki/WebFonts_assessment [4] http://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Sodabottle/test1 [5] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32775 [6] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33024 [7] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33025 [8] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33018 [9] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33027 [10]
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-November/005153.h...
[11] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32942 [12] http://tawp.in/r/2r1f
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2011/12/14 Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com:
Pardon my intrusion on this thread, but within reason*, if any college or other educational institution chooses to be 'proprietary only' (never mind antediluvian - IE6? really? or is that an XP issue?) FOSSers are prepared to take it up 'officially' with them, reminding them of the nation's commitment to education without strings attached. This is fyi to listers, and I shan't mention it again, but please do consider notifying your friendly neighbourhood FOSSer with details of the person to contact (principal/director etc) for assistance and action. This in turn will get reflected to a FOSS forum (fosscomm is one such) and will hopefully result in notifying the institution concerned as well as the possibility of a local FOSS-based firm offering upgrade services.
*ie FOSS as a movement is in continuous need of resources as well, but education is a major priority
It is a very valid point. Installing Firefox or at least updating to IE8 on Windows XP costs nothing and has very tangible and easy-to-demonstrate benefits for language support. Wiki Community members should BE BOLD and tell libraries, schools and colleges that they should do it.
While you are at it, make sure that auto-updates are enabled and consider installing a version of Firefox with menus translated to the local language (see http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html ; if you can't find it your language, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n .)
-- Amir E. Aharoni
Vickram, your tone makes it look like everything is our fault. We cannot switch over to Firefox/Linux for one simple reason. Most students here are from a Rural background and won't be able to adjust to new stuff. They had a tough time adjusting from Windows 7 to XP when the rollback was done due to issues with Turbo C++ and Microsoft COBOL compiler.
--~~~~
On 12/13/11, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
2011/12/14 Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com:
Pardon my intrusion on this thread, but within reason*, if any college or other educational institution chooses to be 'proprietary only' (never mind antediluvian - IE6? really? or is that an XP issue?) FOSSers are prepared to take it up 'officially' with them, reminding them of the nation's commitment to education without strings attached. This is fyi to listers, and I shan't mention it again, but please do consider notifying your friendly neighbourhood FOSSer with details of the person to contact (principal/director etc) for assistance and action. This in turn will get reflected to a FOSS forum (fosscomm is one such) and will hopefully result in notifying the institution concerned as well as the possibility of a local FOSS-based firm offering upgrade services.
*ie FOSS as a movement is in continuous need of resources as well, but education is a major priority
It is a very valid point. Installing Firefox or at least updating to IE8 on Windows XP costs nothing and has very tangible and easy-to-demonstrate benefits for language support. Wiki Community members should BE BOLD and tell libraries, schools and colleges that they should do it.
While you are at it, make sure that auto-updates are enabled and consider installing a version of Firefox with menus translated to the local language (see http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html ; if you can't find it your language, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n .)
-- Amir E. Aharoni
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda@gmail.com> wrote:
Vickram, your tone makes it look like everything is our fault. We cannot switch over to Firefox/Linux for one simple reason. Most students here are from a Rural background and won't be able to adjust to new stuff. They had a tough time adjusting from Windows 7 to XP when the rollback was done due to issues with Turbo C++ and Microsoft COBOL compiler.
There's no question of fault, and no need to take it that way. Every journey needs that first step. However, your doubts have been addressed in many different scenarios before, and really comes across more as FUD than likely reality. You will probably be surprised. Having said which, it is entirely possible that there are no FOSS service agencies in your area, who could walk you (ie the college, details depending on how the upgrade is mutually planned) through it. If you can describe where the college is, perhaps the right persons can get in touch, and if this does not work out, then you have the status quo in any case.
As a bonus, most machines that today run XP were designed a while back, and it is very possible that the switch will come with tangible efficiency benefits.
--~~~~
On 12/13/11, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
2011/12/14 Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com:
Pardon my intrusion on this thread, but within reason*, if any college
or
other educational institution chooses to be 'proprietary only' (never
mind
antediluvian - IE6? really? or is that an XP issue?) FOSSers are
prepared
to take it up 'officially' with them, reminding them of the nation's commitment to education without strings attached. This is fyi to listers, and I shan't mention it again, but please do consider notifying your friendly neighbourhood FOSSer with details of the person to contact (principal/director etc) for assistance and action. This in turn will
get
reflected to a FOSS forum (fosscomm is one such) and will hopefully
result
in notifying the institution concerned as well as the possibility of a local FOSS-based firm offering upgrade services.
*ie FOSS as a movement is in continuous need of resources as well, but education is a major priority
It is a very valid point. Installing Firefox or at least updating to IE8 on Windows XP costs nothing and has very tangible and easy-to-demonstrate benefits for language support. Wiki Community members should BE BOLD and tell libraries, schools and colleges that they should do it.
While you are at it, make sure that auto-updates are enabled and consider installing a version of Firefox with menus translated to the local language (see http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html ; if you can't find it your language, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n .)
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1. My college won't change. I've tried. 2. The nearest FOSS gang is at Coimbatore, two of them attended our meetup last week. There is none in Sathyamangalam. 3. My lab admin has agreed to do a trial run for Linux, but only on a few systems. 4. Why are we talking about FOSS here? I'm sorry, I started this big mess.
On 12/14/11, Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda@gmail.com> wrote:
Vickram, your tone makes it look like everything is our fault. We cannot switch over to Firefox/Linux for one simple reason. Most students here are from a Rural background and won't be able to adjust to new stuff. They had a tough time adjusting from Windows 7 to XP when the rollback was done due to issues with Turbo C++ and Microsoft COBOL compiler.
There's no question of fault, and no need to take it that way. Every journey needs that first step. However, your doubts have been addressed in many different scenarios before, and really comes across more as FUD than likely reality. You will probably be surprised. Having said which, it is entirely possible that there are no FOSS service agencies in your area, who could walk you (ie the college, details depending on how the upgrade is mutually planned) through it. If you can describe where the college is, perhaps the right persons can get in touch, and if this does not work out, then you have the status quo in any case.
As a bonus, most machines that today run XP were designed a while back, and it is very possible that the switch will come with tangible efficiency benefits.
--~~~~
On 12/13/11, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
2011/12/14 Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com:
Pardon my intrusion on this thread, but within reason*, if any college
or
other educational institution chooses to be 'proprietary only' (never
mind
antediluvian - IE6? really? or is that an XP issue?) FOSSers are
prepared
to take it up 'officially' with them, reminding them of the nation's commitment to education without strings attached. This is fyi to listers, and I shan't mention it again, but please do consider notifying your friendly neighbourhood FOSSer with details of the person to contact (principal/director etc) for assistance and action. This in turn will
get
reflected to a FOSS forum (fosscomm is one such) and will hopefully
result
in notifying the institution concerned as well as the possibility of a local FOSS-based firm offering upgrade services.
*ie FOSS as a movement is in continuous need of resources as well, but education is a major priority
It is a very valid point. Installing Firefox or at least updating to IE8 on Windows XP costs nothing and has very tangible and easy-to-demonstrate benefits for language support. Wiki Community members should BE BOLD and tell libraries, schools and colleges that they should do it.
While you are at it, make sure that auto-updates are enabled and consider installing a version of Firefox with menus translated to the local language (see http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html ; if you can't find it your language, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n .)
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I didn't get the feeling that Vickram is saying that it's your fault.
It's not possible and not desirable to force everybody to switch to a different browser. It is possible, however, to educate people about having a choice. That's what FOSS activism is about and that's how i understand Vickram's suggestion. Why is FOSS activism relevant in this discussion, you ask? Not just because the Wikimedia movement is very strongly related to FOSS, but because in this case FOSS technologies provide a tangible benefit - the ability to use Indic fonts. And FOSS relies on word-of-mouth promotion and activism rather than on marketing professionals.
Moving from IE to Firefox is much easier than moving between operating systems or compilers. Millions of people wouldn't imagine moving from Windows to Linux, but can easily move to Firefox.
Both Firefox and IE can be installed side-by-side and the presence of a different browser doesn't require any more maintenance. And if the people don't like Firefox despite its better font support, they can always move back to IE with zero effort.
(In general, everything i say about Firefox applies to Google Chrome/Chromium, too - it's open source, modern and standards-compliant. However, for the particular issue of fonts Firefox is better - from my experience Chrome has more bugs in this field.)
2011/12/14 Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.ghoda@gmail.com:
Vickram, your tone makes it look like everything is our fault. We cannot switch over to Firefox/Linux for one simple reason. Most students here are from a Rural background and won't be able to adjust to new stuff. They had a tough time adjusting from Windows 7 to XP when the rollback was done due to issues with Turbo C++ and Microsoft COBOL compiler.
--~~~~
On 12/13/11, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
2011/12/14 Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com:
Pardon my intrusion on this thread, but within reason*, if any college or other educational institution chooses to be 'proprietary only' (never mind antediluvian - IE6? really? or is that an XP issue?) FOSSers are prepared to take it up 'officially' with them, reminding them of the nation's commitment to education without strings attached. This is fyi to listers, and I shan't mention it again, but please do consider notifying your friendly neighbourhood FOSSer with details of the person to contact (principal/director etc) for assistance and action. This in turn will get reflected to a FOSS forum (fosscomm is one such) and will hopefully result in notifying the institution concerned as well as the possibility of a local FOSS-based firm offering upgrade services.
*ie FOSS as a movement is in continuous need of resources as well, but education is a major priority
It is a very valid point. Installing Firefox or at least updating to IE8 on Windows XP costs nothing and has very tangible and easy-to-demonstrate benefits for language support. Wiki Community members should BE BOLD and tell libraries, schools and colleges that they should do it.
While you are at it, make sure that auto-updates are enabled and consider installing a version of Firefox with menus translated to the local language (see http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html ; if you can't find it your language, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n .)
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An interesting blog post that touches upon the same subject: and serendipitously provides a very powerful reason for engineering colleges in particular to be more aware of and to foster the environment of open knowledge working. http://manypossibilities.net/2011/12/everyday-internet-miracles/
I agree with Amir's point that simply switching browsers is a big step forward for the college, as all users will sooner or later understand why using Firefox is intrinsically superior, apart from trivial features (glossware).
However, I also feel that in terms of maximising the potential of the college-bought computers, users will probably experience a performance upgrade, even more if unnecessary software and processes are tuned out, more than continuing with XP.
Still, this is only an opinion, not a guarantee.
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
I didn't get the feeling that Vickram is saying that it's your fault.
It's not possible and not desirable to force everybody to switch to a different browser. It is possible, however, to educate people about having a choice. That's what FOSS activism is about and that's how i understand Vickram's suggestion. Why is FOSS activism relevant in this discussion, you ask? Not just because the Wikimedia movement is very strongly related to FOSS, but because in this case FOSS technologies provide a tangible benefit - the ability to use Indic fonts. And FOSS relies on word-of-mouth promotion and activism rather than on marketing professionals.
Moving from IE to Firefox is much easier than moving between operating systems or compilers. Millions of people wouldn't imagine moving from Windows to Linux, but can easily move to Firefox.
Both Firefox and IE can be installed side-by-side and the presence of a different browser doesn't require any more maintenance. And if the people don't like Firefox despite its better font support, they can always move back to IE with zero effort.
(In general, everything i say about Firefox applies to Google Chrome/Chromium, too - it's open source, modern and standards-compliant. However, for the particular issue of fonts Firefox is better - from my experience Chrome has more bugs in this field.)
2011/12/14 Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.ghoda@gmail.com:
Vickram, your tone makes it look like everything is our fault. We cannot switch over to Firefox/Linux for one simple reason. Most students here are from a Rural background and won't be able to adjust to new stuff. They had a tough time adjusting from Windows 7 to XP when the rollback was done due to issues with Turbo C++ and Microsoft COBOL compiler.
--~~~~
On 12/13/11, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
2011/12/14 Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com:
Pardon my intrusion on this thread, but within reason*, if any college
or
other educational institution chooses to be 'proprietary only' (never
mind
antediluvian - IE6? really? or is that an XP issue?) FOSSers are
prepared
to take it up 'officially' with them, reminding them of the nation's commitment to education without strings attached. This is fyi to listers, and I shan't mention it again, but please do consider notifying your friendly neighbourhood FOSSer with details of the person to contact (principal/director etc) for assistance and action. This in turn will
get
reflected to a FOSS forum (fosscomm is one such) and will hopefully
result
in notifying the institution concerned as well as the possibility of a local FOSS-based firm offering upgrade services.
*ie FOSS as a movement is in continuous need of resources as well, but education is a major priority
It is a very valid point. Installing Firefox or at least updating to IE8 on Windows XP costs nothing and has very tangible and easy-to-demonstrate benefits for language support. Wiki Community members should BE BOLD and tell libraries, schools and colleges that they should do it.
While you are at it, make sure that auto-updates are enabled and consider installing a version of Firefox with menus translated to the local language (see http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html ; if you can't find it your language, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n .)
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Whenever Open Source activism and Indian colleges come up, I can't help but point people to http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads.html#shakthimaan-indian-challenge-of-fl.... Is a good read, and is still relevant today.
Guys, thanks for all the support. Perhaps you could send a FOSS guy over to my college to have a talk. In the mean time, I had a chat with my lab admin which resulted in Opera being installed on all systems. I'm not complaining. It feels like home.
On 12/18/11, Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com wrote:
Whenever Open Source activism and Indian colleges come up, I can't help but point people to http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads.html#shakthimaan-indian-challenge-of-fl.... Is a good read, and is still relevant today.
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