Hi Tinu:
Thanks for posting this - yes, legal counsel and a risk assessment is something we are actively looking at doing - a question, would the community know if this has ever happened or threatened to happen earlier or is this the first example?
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://social.prathambooks.org/
On 26 February 2011 08:44, CherianTinu Abraham tinucherian@gmail.comwrote:
Here you go ! The first legal threaten against Wikipedia India !
To set the context to those who were not reading the thread of WikimediaIndia facebook page,
Basavaraj Itnal [1] is a senior journalist from Bangalore. He is in a campaign against an alleged land-grabbing and scam by a popular mall owner in Bangalore. He did write articles on this in the publications he is associated with. He even added information earlier to Wikipedia article of Garuda Mall [2] and apparently was blocked once ( by an Indian admin with a pseudo name ? ) . He also attended one of the Bangalore Wiki-meetups recently. After that he shifted to focus to fight his POV to Wikimedia India Facebook recently. [3] and also pushing it on the article [4] . Of late he is threatening to sue Wikipedia and Wikimedia admins. Knowing his aggressiveness, i don't think he can be taken lightly.
I am not sure whether he is intending to sue against the Wikimedia Foundation, ( office in India ) or India chapter or individuals from India who are admins ( OMG, that includes me :) )
Time for a legal contact in India ?
Thoughts?
Regards Tinu Cherian
P.S.I couldn't find the contact mail id of Geoffrey Brigham, the new legal counsel of the Foundation.
[1] http://twitter.com/#!/basavarajitnal http://www.linkedin.com/pub/basavaraj-itnal/23/a9b/4b9 http://www.facebook.com/people/Basavaraj-Itnal/100000540087375 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda_Mall [3] http://www.facebook.com/WikimediaIndia?sk=wall&filter=12 [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Garuda_Mall&action=historysubm...
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While legal counsel might be important, I think the blowing the facebook comments out of proportion IMHO is WP:UNDUE.
Regards Srikanth.L http://srik.me
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 09:31, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
Hi Tinu:
Thanks for posting this - yes, legal counsel and a risk assessment is something we are actively looking at doing - a question, would the community know if this has ever happened or threatened to happen earlier or is this the first example?
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://social.prathambooks.org/
On 26 February 2011 08:44, CherianTinu Abraham tinucherian@gmail.comwrote:
Here you go ! The first legal threaten against Wikipedia India !
To set the context to those who were not reading the thread of WikimediaIndia facebook page,
Basavaraj Itnal [1] is a senior journalist from Bangalore. He is in a campaign against an alleged land-grabbing and scam by a popular mall owner in Bangalore. He did write articles on this in the publications he is associated with. He even added information earlier to Wikipedia article of Garuda Mall [2] and apparently was blocked once ( by an Indian admin with a pseudo name ? ) . He also attended one of the Bangalore Wiki-meetups recently. After that he shifted to focus to fight his POV to Wikimedia India Facebook recently. [3] and also pushing it on the article [4] . Of late he is threatening to sue Wikipedia and Wikimedia admins. Knowing his aggressiveness, i don't think he can be taken lightly.
I am not sure whether he is intending to sue against the Wikimedia Foundation, ( office in India ) or India chapter or individuals from India who are admins ( OMG, that includes me :) )
Time for a legal contact in India ?
Thoughts?
Regards Tinu Cherian
P.S.I couldn't find the contact mail id of Geoffrey Brigham, the new legal counsel of the Foundation.
[1] http://twitter.com/#!/basavarajitnal http://www.linkedin.com/pub/basavaraj-itnal/23/a9b/4b9 http://www.facebook.com/people/Basavaraj-Itnal/100000540087375 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda_Mall [3] http://www.facebook.com/WikimediaIndia?sk=wall&filter=12 [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Garuda_Mall&action=historysubm...
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heh, this seems like a gross over-reaction to a facebook post. You are giving this person undue attention by even mentioning this in a publicly archived mailing list. If the foundation were to pay attention to every random forum posting or allegations like this it would never find the time to do anything else.
Ask any OTRS volunteer about threats like these, this is nothing compared to the threats we get on a daily basis.
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik.lak@gmail.comwrote:
While legal counsel might be important, I think the blowing the facebook comments out of proportion IMHO is WP:UNDUE.
Regards Srikanth.L http://srik.me
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 09:31, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.orgwrote:
Hi Tinu:
Thanks for posting this - yes, legal counsel and a risk assessment is something we are actively looking at doing - a question, would the community know if this has ever happened or threatened to happen earlier or is this the first example?
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://social.prathambooks.org/
On 26 February 2011 08:44, CherianTinu Abraham tinucherian@gmail.comwrote:
Here you go ! The first legal threaten against Wikipedia India !
To set the context to those who were not reading the thread of WikimediaIndia facebook page,
Basavaraj Itnal [1] is a senior journalist from Bangalore. He is in a campaign against an alleged land-grabbing and scam by a popular mall owner in Bangalore. He did write articles on this in the publications he is associated with. He even added information earlier to Wikipedia article of Garuda Mall [2] and apparently was blocked once ( by an Indian admin with a pseudo name ? ) . He also attended one of the Bangalore Wiki-meetups recently. After that he shifted to focus to fight his POV to Wikimedia India Facebook recently. [3] and also pushing it on the article [4] . Of late he is threatening to sue Wikipedia and Wikimedia admins. Knowing his aggressiveness, i don't think he can be taken lightly.
I am not sure whether he is intending to sue against the Wikimedia Foundation, ( office in India ) or India chapter or individuals from India who are admins ( OMG, that includes me :) )
Time for a legal contact in India ?
Thoughts?
Regards Tinu Cherian
P.S.I couldn't find the contact mail id of Geoffrey Brigham, the new legal counsel of the Foundation.
[1] http://twitter.com/#!/basavarajitnal http://www.linkedin.com/pub/basavaraj-itnal/23/a9b/4b9 http://www.facebook.com/people/Basavaraj-Itnal/100000540087375 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda_Mall [3] http://www.facebook.com/WikimediaIndia?sk=wall&filter=12 [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Garuda_Mall&action=historysubm...
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On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
Ask any OTRS volunteer about threats like these, this is nothing compared to the threats we get on a daily basis.
What are the kinds of threats OTRS volunteers get? Just curious.
Bishakha
Hello,
2011/2/26 Bishakha Datta bishakhadatta@gmail.com:
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
Ask any OTRS volunteer about threats like these, this is nothing compared to the threats we get on a daily basis.
What are the kinds of threats OTRS volunteers get? Just curious.
I am not an OTRS volunteer, but in April 2010 I got a real threat because of my work on Wikisource.
Gallimard, one of the biggest and most famous French publisher, sent me a registered letter (yes, here in India!) threatening to sue me if the texts it claims a copyright on were not quickly deleted. It also sent the same to the Wikimedia Foundation. The texts were deleted after a request by Mike Godwin, WMF lawyer. I made a counter-notice and the texts were undeleted in June 2010. Gallimard found my IRL address on Facebook, as I have a link to my Facebook profile on my Wikisource home page.
The deleted texts are copyrighted in France, but not in USA, and not in India, so there are legally hosted by the WMF in USA, and I am legally entitled to publish them on Wikisource, as a resident in India.
In fact, I expected Gallimard to try to sue me in France, which would not have much real effect on Wikisource, but would be quite annoying for me if I go back to France. But I never received any news from the publisher after I sent them a letter saying that they business model is outdated, and they should find better way to promote French literature.
Bishakha
Regards,
Yann
As an editor, and a counter vandal, here is my opinion: What he did would come under blatant vandalism, as he DID NOT source his edits, and defamed living people without any base. Had he provided a reliable source, I might've considered reading it. Regards,
On 26 February 2011 13:00, Yann Forget yannfo@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
2011/2/26 Bishakha Datta bishakhadatta@gmail.com:
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
Ask any OTRS volunteer about threats like these, this is nothing
compared
to the threats we get on a daily basis.
What are the kinds of threats OTRS volunteers get? Just curious.
I am not an OTRS volunteer, but in April 2010 I got a real threat because of my work on Wikisource.
Gallimard, one of the biggest and most famous French publisher, sent me a registered letter (yes, here in India!) threatening to sue me if the texts it claims a copyright on were not quickly deleted. It also sent the same to the Wikimedia Foundation. The texts were deleted after a request by Mike Godwin, WMF lawyer. I made a counter-notice and the texts were undeleted in June 2010. Gallimard found my IRL address on Facebook, as I have a link to my Facebook profile on my Wikisource home page.
The deleted texts are copyrighted in France, but not in USA, and not in India, so there are legally hosted by the WMF in USA, and I am legally entitled to publish them on Wikisource, as a resident in India.
In fact, I expected Gallimard to try to sue me in France, which would not have much real effect on Wikisource, but would be quite annoying for me if I go back to France. But I never received any news from the publisher after I sent them a letter saying that they business model is outdated, and they should find better way to promote French literature.
Bishakha
Regards,
Yann
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Not really!
We are closely following another case on another Wikipedian ( yes , in India ) who was reverting the removal of controversial section by the company itself ( not even with logged username, but as IP editor) on its Wikipedia article and now facing cyber crime charges and an FIR is already in place. You may want to talk to him and will know it is not easy and simple as you may think, especially going to the police station each time.
My note on this below incident was originally sent to a closed mailing list and wasn't really meant to be forwarded to publicly archived mailing list. Just to clarify.
Thanks Tinu Cherian
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
heh, this seems like a gross over-reaction to a facebook post. You are giving this person undue attention by even mentioning this in a publicly archived mailing list. If the foundation were to pay attention to every random forum posting or allegations like this it would never find the time to do anything else.
Ask any OTRS volunteer about threats like these, this is nothing compared to the threats we get on a daily basis.
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik.lak@gmail.comwrote:
While legal counsel might be important, I think the blowing the facebook comments out of proportion IMHO is WP:UNDUE.
Regards Srikanth.L http://srik.me
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 09:31, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.orgwrote:
Hi Tinu:
Thanks for posting this - yes, legal counsel and a risk assessment is something we are actively looking at doing - a question, would the community know if this has ever happened or threatened to happen earlier or is this the first example?
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://social.prathambooks.org/
On 26 February 2011 08:44, CherianTinu Abraham tinucherian@gmail.comwrote:
Here you go ! The first legal threaten against Wikipedia India !
To set the context to those who were not reading the thread of WikimediaIndia facebook page,
Basavaraj Itnal [1] is a senior journalist from Bangalore. He is in a campaign against an alleged land-grabbing and scam by a popular mall owner in Bangalore. He did write articles on this in the publications he is associated with. He even added information earlier to Wikipedia article of Garuda Mall [2] and apparently was blocked once ( by an Indian admin with a pseudo name ? ) . He also attended one of the Bangalore Wiki-meetups recently. After that he shifted to focus to fight his POV to Wikimedia India Facebook recently. [3] and also pushing it on the article [4] . Of late he is threatening to sue Wikipedia and Wikimedia admins. Knowing his aggressiveness, i don't think he can be taken lightly.
I am not sure whether he is intending to sue against the Wikimedia Foundation, ( office in India ) or India chapter or individuals from India who are admins ( OMG, that includes me :) )
Time for a legal contact in India ?
Thoughts?
Regards Tinu Cherian
P.S.I couldn't find the contact mail id of Geoffrey Brigham, the new legal counsel of the Foundation.
[1] http://twitter.com/#!/basavarajitnal http://www.linkedin.com/pub/basavaraj-itnal/23/a9b/4b9 http://www.facebook.com/people/Basavaraj-Itnal/100000540087375 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda_Mall [3] http://www.facebook.com/WikimediaIndia?sk=wall&filter=12 [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Garuda_Mall&action=historysubm...
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