Dear all,
From some of the discussions, it is becoming increasingly obvious that the
sanctity of the respective forums has to be maintained under all circumstances. Using a public mailing lists to sort out details that should be discussed within the Board or within the EC is deplorable. Look at all the successful movements around the world and you will find that the simple reason for their success is discipline of thought, word and action.
Leading a movement such as the free knowledge movement called Wikipedia constrained by the challenges of a pluralistic culture requires a ton of maturity. There are also challenges of working with a team or teams that comes with diverse experiences and view points and I can assure you that getting frustrated and quitting or using a public forum to wash dirty linen is not the way forward. Discipline, patience and perseverance are the keys. The free knowledge movement provides us with an opportunity to not only refine society but also ourselves as human beings. Please use this opportunity wisely. With fraternal greetings from the Free Software Movement in India Vikram Vincent
On 13 September 2014 12:01, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikanth05@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you Viswa, for clarifying. As per what you asked me to refer to to, the bylaws, page states that membership has to be renewed within the first three months of the fiscal year, which is (if you were unaware) April, May, June. As per Sowmyan's mail to the EC in July, Nikita had not sent in either the form or the money. In the case of Karthik and me, the money was sent, on his request for both of us prior to the deadline from my bank account via NEFT. All you need to do is check the bank records. As for the CoI policy, I had started the draft using the WMF policy as a base. None of you contributed to it. There was a resolution passed to accept this draft as well as a resolution to post minutes of meetings on the public wiki. Due to technical glitches, this never happened, and you were given the task of coordinating to get it running properly. Regards, On 13-Sep-2014 9:25 am, "Srikanth Ramakrishnan" rsrikanth05@gmail.com wrote:
Viswa, Before accusing me of holding back your mails please do remember that I was never an admin of this list. It has always been Hari and Anirudh. On 13-Sep-2014 2:10 am, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)" viswaprabha@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Srikanth,
Please read the bye-laws once again and always quote from the bye-law in exact verbatim. For your convenience, here is a copy of the MoA: http://wiki.wikimedia.in/images/2/20/ChapterRegDocsEnglish.pdf
I shall even direct you to the exact location for this particular clause: It is at Article V, Section 2 (on page 8th of the whole 18 page PDF volume).
Also, please be careful so that such uneducated and precisely planned doubts does not hit back at cases of your own (as well as Karthik's) membership validity and cessation, if not for any previous instances.
Thanks and regards, Viswam
PS. BTW, why is it that my mails are not being transmitted through this list? How do I know how long this may have been happening? Being one of the administrators, you may have a clue. ;)
On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Viswa, I have read the bylaws. If a member does not renew before the grace period, in this case 30th of June, it becomes a new application. 10th July is not exactly within the grace period is it? On 12-Sep-2014 11:42 pm, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)" < viswaprabha@gmail.com> wrote:
I am resending ( rather, re-attempting to send) an important reply mail that was sent to this mail list 10 hours back from my Wikimedia.in ID, for your kind reading. *To my great shock, I realize now that, strangely that mail never reached our mail-list!*
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Viswanathan Prabhakaran viswaprabha@wikimedia.in Date: Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN shutdown ? To: Wikimedia India Community list < wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Dear Srikanth and other readers,
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < rsrikanth05@gmail.com> wrote:
Viswa, Prior to the departure of several EC members, resolution had been passed to accept the draft Coi policy that was done by me with Karthik's help. Please ensure that it is implemented.
A new draft is being prepared, (stemmed from your draft, thank you, Srikanth), incorporating additional details conforming to international standards for non-profit organizations. Within a day or two, this draft will be presented in the chapter Wiki for review, discussion and suggestions by any members (and even interested community members and other stakeholders).
The draft will be retrieved back to the EC and will be finally vetted and approved as a standard core document during the upcoming Board Meeting on 20,21 September 2014 at Bangalore.
Also, you mentioned a board meeting in September. Does this indicate
the AGM or just the four core EC members.
The board meeting on 20,21 at Bangalore is a board meeting. It will take up and decide on the matter of AGM / Elections in such a way as to conduct the same at the earliest possible date, as early as the stipulated timelines and documentation requirements (mainly completion of Audit Report and Annual Report) will allow. It will also review and decide on the voting eligibility requirements of all chapter members who are members of the chapter. Further, it will decide on several administrative policies, of which, a major one will be the feasibility of enlistment of all members (with bare minimum personal data) on the chapter wiki. Some of these decisions will be acted upon immediately after the meeting.
The EC is also seriously corroborating on the feasibility of publishing every minutes and resolutions passed during its business except for the ones require confidential privacy.
In the meanwhile, we also intend to invite suggestions for modifications and improvements in the bye-laws and other documents via discussions on the member wiki. Such suggestions, will be finely filtered and drafted, presented and voted upon during the AGM and will be passed if approved by a two third majority.
I say four because Nikita had not renewed her membership as of the
first of July 2014 thus ceasing to be a member of the chapter let alone an EC member.
You may kindly refer to the Bye-law regarding the norms on cessation
and reinstatement of membership.
Thank you, Viswanathan Prabhakaran Treasurer Wikimedia Chapter
Please look into these matters. On 11-Sep-2014 2:16 am, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)" < viswaprabha@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all, > > The newly restructured EC has held a telecon tonight (September > 10th). We have decided to meet in person at Bangalore on 20,21 & 22 > September 2014 with a large number of tasks in hand. > > Due to several reasons, principally among them, a delay in the > completion of Financial Audit Reports, we are forced to postpone the AGM > and Elections by a few weeks, following the recommendation of our legal and > financial consultants. > > The above board meeting, to be held in Bangalore, will corroborate > and decide on the earliest possible date to conduct the AGM and General > Elections considering all formal timeline constraints. We will also meet-up > with the Election Committee, our legal and financial consultants and other > concerned agencies. > > We are also about to present a few drafts at the Chapters wiki and > invite amendments, modifications and improvements in our constitutional and > policy documents. This will include a 'Conflict of Interest' policy, a > basic framework on the formation of an Advisory committee, simplification > of membership application processes, grant process, publication of > necessary Membership data without compromising the privacy concerns etc. > > We will be releasing more detailed info along these lines within a > few days. Till then, Please standby. > > Thank you > > Viswanathan Prabhakaran > Treasurer > Wikimedia India Chapter > > > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar < > sudhanwa.com@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Anivar Aravind >> anivar.aravind@gmail.com wrote: >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I am also surprised to see no reply. Arjuna, do you have any >> further >> >> information? >> > >> > >> > Update on Election commitee process on WMIN Elections is here >> > http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Talk:Elections2014 >> >> >> Any further updates? >> >> Regards >> -Sudhanwa >> >
I Completely agree with you, Vikram. And due respects to your words and to the forum!
Even before your mail, I had already decided not to reply anymore or languish within this thread, unnecessary and quite out of place. My earlier responses were only to clarify on the points raised which were addressed, by name, to me.
Signing off on this, Viswam
On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Vikram Vincent vincentvikram@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all, From some of the discussions, it is becoming increasingly obvious that the sanctity of the respective forums has to be maintained under all circumstances. Using a public mailing lists to sort out details that should be discussed within the Board or within the EC is deplorable. Look at all the successful movements around the world and you will find that the simple reason for their success is discipline of thought, word and action.
Leading a movement such as the free knowledge movement called Wikipedia constrained by the challenges of a pluralistic culture requires a ton of maturity. There are also challenges of working with a team or teams that comes with diverse experiences and view points and I can assure you that getting frustrated and quitting or using a public forum to wash dirty linen is not the way forward. Discipline, patience and perseverance are the keys. The free knowledge movement provides us with an opportunity to not only refine society but also ourselves as human beings. Please use this opportunity wisely. With fraternal greetings from the Free Software Movement in India Vikram Vincent
hi Sudhanwa,
I think you have your answer here:
Even before your mail, I had already decided not to reply anymore or languish within this thread, unnecessary and quite out of place. My earlier responses were only to clarify on the points raised which were addressed, by name, to me.
All,
I think that the questions that Sudhanwa had raised earlier have merit and need answering. Given the circumstances, I think we should give the EC some more time to get themselves acquainted with the situation before they can answer the questions raised. I hope the Chapter EC will consider the questions and answer them, perhaps after the WMF India Community Consultation in October, 2014?
warm regards, Pradeep
In the interests of the community if the EC by its actions has led to the state of affairs, it is always better for these to be brought to light in public. Let the public then decide whether their trust in these members was justified or not.
On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi Sudhanwa,
I think you have your answer here:
Even before your mail, I had already decided not to reply anymore or languish within this thread, unnecessary and quite out of place. My
earlier
responses were only to clarify on the points raised which were
addressed, by
name, to me.
All,
I think that the questions that Sudhanwa had raised earlier have merit and need answering. Given the circumstances, I think we should give the EC some more time to get themselves acquainted with the situation before they can answer the questions raised. I hope the Chapter EC will consider the questions and answer them, perhaps after the WMF India Community Consultation in October, 2014?
warm regards, Pradeep
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Hi Ashwin,
//, it is always better for these to be brought to light in public. Let the public then decide whether their trust in these members was justified or not.//
Every one is for transparency. The only request is to discuss these things in chapter wiki or mailing list which is the appropriate forum.
Wikimedia India chapter is an open membership driven organization that has enough structure to discuss and sort out things like these.
If the chapter members unanimously want to draw indian / global community's attention on any thing, then they can pass a resolution in chapter wiki's village pump and post the link here.
Wikimedia India mailing list is not a place to run a parallel or proxy chapter.
Ravi
+1.
Wikimedia India chapter governance issues should be discussed in chapter wiki / mailing list or through internal communications.
I request everyone's cooperation in this regard.
Thanks,
Ravi
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