hi,
I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be interested in such a project.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com Date: 17 June 2011 03:04 Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination < cultural-partners@wikimedia.ch>
In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian coastline. The stream should be available worlwide (http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is also available at commons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).
This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)? In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary videos? Just an idea.
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Email the General Manager, Western Railways - but I doubt you will get any response!
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:53:04 +0530 From: pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
hi,
I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be interested in such a project.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com Date: 17 June 2011 03:04 Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination cultural-partners@wikimedia.ch
In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian coastline. The stream should be available worlwide (http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is also available at commons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).
This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)? In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary videos? Just an idea.
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hi,
I was wondering if they would allow recording equipment to take video of the whole 64,215 km of tracks that the Indian Railway has and release it under a Creative Commons (CC-BY) license licensed to Indian Railways.
Crazy but could be done. There are railway enthusiasts.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
On 17 June 2011 16:06, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
Email the General Manager, Western Railways - but I doubt you will get any response!
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:53:04 +0530 From: pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
hi,
I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be interested in such a project.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *John Erling Blad* jeblad@gmail.com Date: 17 June 2011 03:04 Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination < cultural-partners@wikimedia.ch>
In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian coastline. The stream should be available worlwide (http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is also available at commons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).
This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)? In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary videos? Just an idea.
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I remember reading a news items about the plan for indian railways to have some sort of national internet broadband network, riding on top of the existing railway network.
Railtel Corporation of India Ltd, was supposed to provide broadband internet connection in Kerala. Not sure how far the project has advanced.
Couldn't that network be used for such live streaming... just a thought
Abhi
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
I was wondering if they would allow recording equipment to take video of the whole 64,215 km of tracks that the Indian Railway has and release it under a Creative Commons (CC-BY) license licensed to Indian Railways.
Crazy but could be done. There are railway enthusiasts.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
On 17 June 2011 16:06, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
Email the General Manager, Western Railways - but I doubt you will get any response!
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:53:04 +0530 From: pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
hi,
I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be interested in such a project.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *John Erling Blad* jeblad@gmail.com Date: 17 June 2011 03:04 Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination < cultural-partners@wikimedia.ch>
In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian coastline. The stream should be available worlwide (http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is also available at commons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).
This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)? In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary videos? Just an idea.
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hi,
I don't really think we need to live-cast. We could easily video tape and upload it to Wikimedia Commons.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
On 17 June 2011 16:32, Abhilash S Unni abhilashunni@gmail.com wrote:
I remember reading a news items about the plan for indian railways to have some sort of national internet broadband network, riding on top of the existing railway network.
Railtel Corporation of India Ltd, was supposed to provide broadband internet connection in Kerala. Not sure how far the project has advanced.
Couldn't that network be used for such live streaming... just a thought
Abhi
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
I was wondering if they would allow recording equipment to take video of the whole 64,215 km of tracks that the Indian Railway has and release it under a Creative Commons (CC-BY) license licensed to Indian Railways.
Crazy but could be done. There are railway enthusiasts.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
On 17 June 2011 16:06, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
Email the General Manager, Western Railways - but I doubt you will get any response!
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:53:04 +0530 From: pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
hi,
I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be interested in such a project.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *John Erling Blad* jeblad@gmail.com Date: 17 June 2011 03:04 Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination < cultural-partners@wikimedia.ch>
In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian coastline. The stream should be available worlwide (http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is also available at commons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).
This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)? In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary videos? Just an idea.
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My suggestion: You can try to use some like a Flip Video, on the Guard van of a train. --Regards,
On 17 June 2011 16:35, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
I don't really think we need to live-cast. We could easily video tape and upload it to Wikimedia Commons.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
On 17 June 2011 16:32, Abhilash S Unni abhilashunni@gmail.com wrote:
I remember reading a news items about the plan for indian railways to have some sort of national internet broadband network, riding on top of the existing railway network.
Railtel Corporation of India Ltd, was supposed to provide broadband internet connection in Kerala. Not sure how far the project has advanced.
Couldn't that network be used for such live streaming... just a thought
Abhi
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
I was wondering if they would allow recording equipment to take video of the whole 64,215 km of tracks that the Indian Railway has and release it under a Creative Commons (CC-BY) license licensed to Indian Railways.
Crazy but could be done. There are railway enthusiasts.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
On 17 June 2011 16:06, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
Email the General Manager, Western Railways - but I doubt you will get any response!
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:53:04 +0530 From: pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
hi,
I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be interested in such a project.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *John Erling Blad* jeblad@gmail.com Date: 17 June 2011 03:04 Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination < cultural-partners@wikimedia.ch>
In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian coastline. The stream should be available worlwide (http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is also available at commons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).
This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)? In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary videos? Just an idea.
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hi,
I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard bogey. We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that we can use the video during daytime only.
It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free" video tape of all of that length of railway line.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard bogey. We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that we can use the video during daytime only.
It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free" video tape of all of that length of railway line.
Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be aware that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record anyone without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly in legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction to be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as this. It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some reading on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside from individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If enough people can be found across the country who have time and access to Flips, I doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I have seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a major impediment either.
With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to do on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions, if it is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's viewpoint (definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating footage.
Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities,
As far as I know there are restrictions (as per law) on shooting the video/photograph of Indian Railway stations and trains. But many of us are not aware about these restrictions.
Recently one of my wikimedian friend had the bad experience of warned by the police when he was trying to capture the photo of a railway station. Every single photo of railway station that he captured was deleted before the police allowed him to go. So it is better to verify the existing laws/policies and see whether such a project is viable in India.
May be with the permission from Railways we can do this project.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.comwrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard bogey. We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that we can use the video during daytime only.
It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free" video tape of all of that length of railway line.
Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be aware that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record anyone without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly in legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction to be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as this. It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some reading on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside from individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If enough people can be found across the country who have time and access to Flips, I doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I have seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a major impediment either.
With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to do on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions, if it is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's viewpoint (definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating footage.
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hi,
I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike Google Street View.
Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source to where it meets the sea.
It'll also be a way to map a few things.
Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting discussion. Flipcams are great too!
Pradeep
On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard bogey. We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that we can use the video during daytime only.
It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free" video tape of all of that length of railway line.
Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be aware that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record anyone without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly in legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction to be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as this. It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some reading on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside from individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If enough people can be found across the country who have time and access to Flips, I doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I have seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a major impediment either.
With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to do on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions, if it is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's viewpoint (definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating footage.
-- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com
Shiju, what problem can railways have? A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are shot in stations and trains? If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied to rail as well. --Regards,
On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike Google Street View.
Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source to where it meets the sea.
It'll also be a way to map a few things.
Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting discussion. Flipcams are great too!
Pradeep
On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard bogey. We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that we can use the video during daytime only.
It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free" video tape of all of that length of railway line.
Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
aware
that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
anyone
without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly in legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction
to
be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as
this.
It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
reading
on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside
from
individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If enough people can be found across the country who have time and access to Flips,
I
doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I
have
seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a major impediment either.
With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to
do
on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions, if
it
is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's
viewpoint
(definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating
footage.
-- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com
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I think we have had this discussion just last week, with respect to mapping data from the census.
It is not a question of what problems the railways could have, or the census authorities could have. It is simply the intellectual laziness that got them to declare the information copyrighted for reproduction with permission only, a loophole that allows any officer to sit on the release. In the case of the railways, it might be the fear that if they allow free use of such pictorial data, somebody might raise an objection on security grounds at some point in the future (never mind that truly dangerous - well, potentially dangerous, much depends on intent - photographic information can be gathered at low risk using modern photographic equipment).
I have not checked which Act covers this rail secrecy, but there used to be notices on every road and rail bridge forbidding photography on grounds of national security.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < rsrikanth05@gmail.com> wrote:
Shiju, what problem can railways have? A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are shot in stations and trains? If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied to rail as well. --Regards,
On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@gmail.comwrote:
hi,
I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike Google Street View.
Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source to where it meets the sea.
It'll also be a way to map a few things.
Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting discussion. Flipcams are great too!
Pradeep
On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard bogey. We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that we can use the video during daytime only.
It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free"
video
tape of all of that length of railway line.
Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
aware
that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
anyone
without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly
in
legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction
to
be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as
this.
It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
reading
on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside
from
individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If enough people can be found across the country who have time and access to
Flips, I
doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I
have
seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a major impediment either.
With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to
do
on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions, if
it
is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's
viewpoint
(definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating
footage.
-- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com
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A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you from photographing it.
That is our assumption. Just like that we assume that all Indian/State Government websites are in public domain since ours is a democractic nation. But in reality that is not true. Government is imposing restrictions on various things through copyright law. Refer to the earlier mails/clarifications sent by Gautham.
See the below site which lists some restrictions regarding photographing Indian Railway assets.
http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/irphotography/irphotography.htm
From there:
THE OFFICIAL VERSION:
India, it would appear, suffers from a persecution complex. Several places are considered restricted in India. These include bridges, railroad yards, railway premises, sheds, workshops, stations and tunnels. These are supposed to be of military importance. Officials are very skittish about the whole thing, and many of them tend to go overboard in trying to enforce these restrictions. Its against the law to take a photograph of a train at the station, yet, you can walk a few metres away, just outside the station limits, and shoot freely from there. Or from the overbridge just before the station. Or from the lineside in open country. Which is why we railfans call these 'idiot restrictions'. But thats another story.
Hence officially, if you are planning on doing some really serious and extensive railroad photography in India, it is absolutely essential for you to apply for and acquire a permit. You will need to write to:
The Joint Director of Public Relations, Railway Board, Rail Bhavan, New Delhi-110001, India.
As far as I know, most of the railway related restrictions are imposed by Indian railways, not by Central Government. But I couldn't find an official document related to this.
Now Railway police/authorities are trying to impose this official/unofficial policy/law through various means.
Shiju
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < rsrikanth05@gmail.com> wrote:
Shiju, what problem can railways have? A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are shot in stations and trains? If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied to rail as well. --Regards,
On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@gmail.comwrote:
hi,
I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike Google Street View.
Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source to where it meets the sea.
It'll also be a way to map a few things.
Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting discussion. Flipcams are great too!
Pradeep
On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard bogey. We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that we can use the video during daytime only.
It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free"
video
tape of all of that length of railway line.
Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
aware
that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
anyone
without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly
in
legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction
to
be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as
this.
It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
reading
on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside
from
individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If enough people can be found across the country who have time and access to
Flips, I
doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I
have
seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a major impediment either.
With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to
do
on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions, if
it
is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's
viewpoint
(definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating
footage.
-- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com
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I dont think all these restrictions are just copyright matters, basically security issues. So once if we can convince the intention, then it should be fine.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.comwrote:
A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
from photographing it.
That is our assumption. Just like that we assume that all Indian/State Government websites are in public domain since ours is a democractic nation. But in reality that is not true. Government is imposing restrictions on various things through copyright law. Refer to the earlier mails/clarifications sent by Gautham.
See the below site which lists some restrictions regarding photographing Indian Railway assets.
http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/irphotography/irphotography.htm
From there:
THE OFFICIAL VERSION:
India, it would appear, suffers from a persecution complex. Several places are considered restricted in India. These include bridges, railroad yards, railway premises, sheds, workshops, stations and tunnels. These are supposed to be of military importance. Officials are very skittish about the whole thing, and many of them tend to go overboard in trying to enforce these restrictions. Its against the law to take a photograph of a train at the station, yet, you can walk a few metres away, just outside the station limits, and shoot freely from there. Or from the overbridge just before the station. Or from the lineside in open country. Which is why we railfans call these 'idiot restrictions'. But thats another story.
Hence officially, if you are planning on doing some really serious and extensive railroad photography in India, it is absolutely essential for you to apply for and acquire a permit. You will need to write to:
The Joint Director of Public Relations, Railway Board, Rail Bhavan, New Delhi-110001, India.
As far as I know, most of the railway related restrictions are imposed by Indian railways, not by Central Government. But I couldn't find an official document related to this.
Now Railway police/authorities are trying to impose this official/unofficial policy/law through various means.
Shiju
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < rsrikanth05@gmail.com> wrote:
Shiju, what problem can railways have? A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are shot in stations and trains? If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied to rail as well. --Regards,
On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@gmail.comwrote:
hi,
I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike Google Street View.
Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source to where it meets the sea.
It'll also be a way to map a few things.
Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting discussion. Flipcams are great too!
Pradeep
On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard bogey. We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that
we
can use the video during daytime only.
It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free"
video
tape of all of that length of railway line.
Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
aware
that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
anyone
without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly
in
legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction
to
be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as
this.
It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
reading
on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside
from
individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If
enough
people can be found across the country who have time and access to
Flips, I
doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I
have
seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a
major
impediment either.
With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to
do
on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions,
if it
is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's
viewpoint
(definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating
footage.
-- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com
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Shiju, Does that make any of these two of my photographs on the commons illegal? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BETL-BMIC-Hosur-_Road-Junction.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Garden-City-Skyway-Bridge-KRPuram.jpg Also, does the government differentiate between Photography and Videography? --Regards, Srikanth.
On 17 June 2011 21:12, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
from photographing it.
That is our assumption. Just like that we assume that all Indian/State Government websites are in public domain since ours is a democractic nation. But in reality that is not true. Government is imposing restrictions on various things through copyright law. Refer to the earlier mails/clarifications sent by Gautham.
See the below site which lists some restrictions regarding photographing Indian Railway assets.
http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/irphotography/irphotography.htm
From there:
THE OFFICIAL VERSION:
India, it would appear, suffers from a persecution complex. Several places are considered restricted in India. These include bridges, railroad yards, railway premises, sheds, workshops, stations and tunnels. These are supposed to be of military importance. Officials are very skittish about the whole thing, and many of them tend to go overboard in trying to enforce these restrictions. Its against the law to take a photograph of a train at the station, yet, you can walk a few metres away, just outside the station limits, and shoot freely from there. Or from the overbridge just before the station. Or from the lineside in open country. Which is why we railfans call these 'idiot restrictions'. But thats another story.
Hence officially, if you are planning on doing some really serious and extensive railroad photography in India, it is absolutely essential for you to apply for and acquire a permit. You will need to write to:
The Joint Director of Public Relations, Railway Board, Rail Bhavan, New Delhi-110001, India.
As far as I know, most of the railway related restrictions are imposed by Indian railways, not by Central Government. But I couldn't find an official document related to this.
Now Railway police/authorities are trying to impose this official/unofficial policy/law through various means.
Shiju
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < rsrikanth05@gmail.com> wrote:
Shiju, what problem can railways have? A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are shot in stations and trains? If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied to rail as well. --Regards,
On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@gmail.comwrote:
hi,
I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike Google Street View.
Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source to where it meets the sea.
It'll also be a way to map a few things.
Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting discussion. Flipcams are great too!
Pradeep
On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard bogey. We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that
we
can use the video during daytime only.
It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free"
video
tape of all of that length of railway line.
Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
aware
that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
anyone
without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly
in
legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction
to
be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as
this.
It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
reading
on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside
from
individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If
enough
people can be found across the country who have time and access to
Flips, I
doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I
have
seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a
major
impediment either.
With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to
do
on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions,
if it
is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's
viewpoint
(definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating
footage.
-- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com
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Commons deal these issues in a different way I guess. Let active Commons users comment on this.
Fortunately foreign nationals have permission to capture images. :) See page 13 of the below official document. Especially clause 1.3. :)
http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/uploads/directorate/prd/PR/PR-MANUAL.pdf
Shiju
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < rsrikanth05@gmail.com> wrote:
Shiju, Does that make any of these two of my photographs on the commons illegal? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BETL-BMIC-Hosur-_Road-Junction.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Garden-City-Skyway-Bridge-KRPuram.jpg Also, does the government differentiate between Photography and Videography? --Regards, Srikanth.
On 17 June 2011 21:12, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
from photographing it.
That is our assumption. Just like that we assume that all Indian/State Government websites are in public domain since ours is a democractic nation. But in reality that is not true. Government is imposing restrictions on various things through copyright law. Refer to the earlier mails/clarifications sent by Gautham.
See the below site which lists some restrictions regarding photographing Indian Railway assets.
http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/irphotography/irphotography.htm
From there:
THE OFFICIAL VERSION:
India, it would appear, suffers from a persecution complex. Several places are considered restricted in India. These include bridges, railroad yards, railway premises, sheds, workshops, stations and tunnels. These are supposed to be of military importance. Officials are very skittish about the whole thing, and many of them tend to go overboard in trying to enforce these restrictions. Its against the law to take a photograph of a train at the station, yet, you can walk a few metres away, just outside the station limits, and shoot freely from there. Or from the overbridge just before the station. Or from the lineside in open country. Which is why we railfans call these 'idiot restrictions'. But thats another story.
Hence officially, if you are planning on doing some really serious and extensive railroad photography in India, it is absolutely essential for you to apply for and acquire a permit. You will need to write to:
The Joint Director of Public Relations, Railway Board, Rail Bhavan, New Delhi-110001, India.
As far as I know, most of the railway related restrictions are imposed by Indian railways, not by Central Government. But I couldn't find an official document related to this.
Now Railway police/authorities are trying to impose this official/unofficial policy/law through various means.
Shiju
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < rsrikanth05@gmail.com> wrote:
Shiju, what problem can railways have? A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are shot in stations and trains? If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied to rail as well. --Regards,
On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@gmail.comwrote:
hi,
I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike Google Street View.
Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source to where it meets the sea.
It'll also be a way to map a few things.
Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting discussion. Flipcams are great too!
Pradeep
On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard bogey. We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that
we
can use the video during daytime only.
It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free"
video
tape of all of that length of railway line.
Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
aware
that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
anyone
without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly
in
legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important
distinction to
be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as
this.
It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
reading
on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside
from
individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If
enough
people can be found across the country who have time and access to
Flips, I
doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways
is
willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I
have
seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a
major
impediment either.
With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible
to do
on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions,
if it
is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's
viewpoint
(definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating
footage.
-- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com
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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < rsrikanth05@gmail.com> wrote:
Shiju, Does that make any of these two of my photographs on the commons illegal? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BETL-BMIC-Hosur-_Road-Junction.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Garden-City-Skyway-Bridge-KRPuram.jpg Also, does the government differentiate between Photography and Videography? --Regards, Srikanth.
Pradeep,
Do you think we should raise some of these specific issues around copyright in India to Shishir Jha of Creative Commons India at his talk in Mumbai tomorrow? Maybe he can help us understand this better?
Best Bishakha
Shiju, Thanks for the link. However, everything in that mentions Foreigners, not Indian nationals residing in India. Why? --Regards,
On 17 June 2011 21:21, Bishakha Datta bishakhadatta@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < rsrikanth05@gmail.com> wrote:
Shiju,
Does that make any of these two of my photographs on the commons illegal? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BETL-BMIC-Hosur-_Road-Junction.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Garden-City-Skyway-Bridge-KRPuram.jpg Also, does the government differentiate between Photography and Videography? --Regards, Srikanth.
Pradeep,
Do you think we should raise some of these specific issues around copyright in India to Shishir Jha of Creative Commons India at his talk in Mumbai tomorrow? Maybe he can help us understand this better?
Best Bishakha
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hi,
I don't foresee doing this project without consent from the Railway. If we do it with their consent, we get into the grey areas of copyright which we're not sure how to tackle.
I'd suggest doing the project with permission from the Railways and then giving the CC-BY-SA license in the Railway name. I think all we need to figure out is whether this can be done.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
Can someone, not necessarily from the Chapter, write to IR and find out? ---Regards, Srikanth.
On 17 June 2011 22:23, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
I don't foresee doing this project without consent from the Railway. If we do it with their consent, we get into the grey areas of copyright which we're not sure how to tackle.
I'd suggest doing the project with permission from the Railways and then giving the CC-BY-SA license in the Railway name. I think all we need to figure out is whether this can be done.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < rsrikanth05@gmail.com> wrote:
Can someone, not necessarily from the Chapter, write to IR and find out?
It is a bit of a cart before the horse suggestion. Several alternate projects have been suggested. Who actually has the wherewithal to take up something on this scale? Let's work on the back-end first, at least in terms of chalking out how it could be done, start to finish. At that point we can approach the Railways.
On 17 June 2011 22:23, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@gmail.comwrote:
hi,
I don't foresee doing this project without consent from the Railway. If we do it with their consent, we get into the grey areas of copyright which we're not sure how to tackle.
I'd suggest doing the project with permission from the Railways and then giving the CC-BY-SA license in the Railway name. I think all we need to figure out is whether this can be done.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
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hi,
I spoke to the GM, Western Railway for whom User:AroundtheGlobe provided me the number and spoke to him. He said he'd need a proper proposal before he could comment on the possibility of giving us permission. He also said that the request was strange and that he'd have to consult the legal department. But, he's willing to do that only after we submit a proposal for this project.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
Either ways it should work. The Railtel backbone (if existing) can be used for live streaming, as was done in the case of Hurtigruta. Or a simple video recorder should do the trick for a taped video production.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
I don't really think we need to live-cast. We could easily video tape and upload it to Wikimedia Commons.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
On 17 June 2011 16:32, Abhilash S Unni abhilashunni@gmail.com wrote:
I remember reading a news items about the plan for indian railways to have some sort of national internet broadband network, riding on top of the existing railway network.
Railtel Corporation of India Ltd, was supposed to provide broadband internet connection in Kerala. Not sure how far the project has advanced.
Couldn't that network be used for such live streaming... just a thought
Abhi
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
I was wondering if they would allow recording equipment to take video of the whole 64,215 km of tracks that the Indian Railway has and release it under a Creative Commons (CC-BY) license licensed to Indian Railways.
Crazy but could be done. There are railway enthusiasts.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
On 17 June 2011 16:06, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
Email the General Manager, Western Railways - but I doubt you will get any response!
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:53:04 +0530 From: pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
hi,
I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be interested in such a project.
warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *John Erling Blad* jeblad@gmail.com Date: 17 June 2011 03:04 Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination < cultural-partners@wikimedia.ch>
In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian coastline. The stream should be available worlwide (http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is also available at commons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).
This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)? In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary videos? Just an idea.
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