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Hi all, This is a query about the moderation affair and sorry for making another thread for the same. I get this message and get these kind of messages when I'm posting to the mailing list . The same logic should be applied to all suspected vandals,trolls etc. as some automated intelligence (some filter/some bot) is there which does this work.
Couldn't that be configured to send notices to the member stating that the message is suspected to be of 'x' nature (define x = troll,vandal whatever the filter/bot suspects it for) and moderator would do it.
If this is in the current work-flow then I do not know what the whole 'hoopla' is all about. If its not, then of course it needs to be implemented.
I can share some part of the plug mailing list http://www.plug.org.in/mailing-list/ where the same thing things and I do get an automated message when my message gets moderated. This happens instantly.
When the message is rejected, I do get a mail from the mailing list listing the reason/s for the mail being rejected.
Then obviously I re-do the mail so its doesn't contravene whatever reason they said or/and publish the same mail to some other mailing list as well.
Lastly, if nothing of the above strategies work then I have my blog to fall back on and do a 'Public letter' kinda thing.
Needless to say, till date haven't had to go that far.
shirish, I believe, your mail to Wikimedia-in-mum didn't go through because you have not subscribed to that list. I just checked from https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-mum
Regards Tinu Cherian
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Hi all, This is a query about the moderation affair and sorry for making another thread for the same. I get this message and get these kind of messages when I'm posting to the mailing list . The same logic should be applied to all suspected vandals,trolls etc. as some automated intelligence (some filter/some bot) is there which does this work.
Couldn't that be configured to send notices to the member stating that the message is suspected to be of 'x' nature (define x = troll,vandal whatever the filter/bot suspects it for) and moderator would do it.
If this is in the current work-flow then I do not know what the whole 'hoopla' is all about. If its not, then of course it needs to be implemented.
I can share some part of the plug mailing list http://www.plug.org.in/mailing-list/ where the same thing things and I do get an automated message when my message gets moderated. This happens instantly.
When the message is rejected, I do get a mail from the mailing list listing the reason/s for the mail being rejected.
Then obviously I re-do the mail so its doesn't contravene whatever reason they said or/and publish the same mail to some other mailing list as well.
Lastly, if nothing of the above strategies work then I have my blog to fall back on and do a 'Public letter' kinda thing.
Needless to say, till date haven't had to go that far.
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On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:15, CherianTinu Abraham tinucherian@gmail.com wrote:
shirish,
Dear Tinu,
I believe, your mail to Wikimedia-in-mum didn't go through because you have not subscribed to that list. I just checked from https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-mum Regards Tinu Cherian
That was not really my concern or that was not the reason why I bought the topic to a national mailing list. My concern *is* the same as others on the mailing list that when messages get moderated for any reason, there should be automatic message made by the filter/bot whatever explaining why the message is in 'moderation' with an link to take down the message or let it remain in the moderation for the moderator to do the needful.
This does two things, it says to the original message creator 'hey, for x or y reason your message has got stuck in the moderation queue' giving the message sender some kind of response .
Also it gives the moderators flexibility and breathing space in dealing with the queue. As traffic grows, having more and more moderators is not the answer because that also leads/or could lead to loss in quality moderation and one or more bad moderations casts aspersions on the whole moderation team. Take the recent example for instance.
<OT> I am not really into moderation as I'm perhaps one of the *laziest* moderator you could find. I'm only excited or prone to action when some borderline stuff comes through otherwise it's all 'grunt work' that really nobody wants to do. </OT>
Now if such a feature is built-in the current mailman configuration and how the mails are treated then good, if not that *could* be a good workflow model to follow.
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Now its only the current list admins and mods who can share with us if this workflow is followed or not. If it is followed then its 'A ok' for me. If somethings are missing then it would be good to have it evolve or do things in such a way. It could become a 'Todo' for the list admins to take a look at, create consensus within both the admin group and the community as a whole and then move forward.
Personally think that asking for more list admins is a very knee-jerk reflexive statement.
There should be attempts more at finding solutions within the given environment, for we may get more list admins who may no have idea of the workload involved and lots of stuff which goes into the background while maintaining lists.
One of the obvious good/bad things people are also not taking into account is the kind of abusive and hate mail that the list admins/mods do get esp. if its a *popular* mailing list or even not.
Also not everybody is going to be happy with the moderation choices *all the time*.
I have barely scratched the surface.
I am sure that lot of people know this already. Just re-remembering the same and putting it across so people who want to take this up bear atleast these points in mind when taking up the mantle.
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