I see that core editing related matters are included only in point 5 and 6. I was recently examining some statistics related to BSNL dynamic IP addresses since I quite frequently see a new message for me when I log in in the morning on the en.wiki and the message turns out to be in almost all cases warnings against poor editing, vandalism and so on. On some IP ranges, about 1-6% of all IP talk pages have warnings and an analysis shows that the most common problem is poor sourcing, self-promotion and other forms of advertising.
In my (limited) experience working with advanced students (MS + levels) on Wikipedia editing, I have found it very useful to cover Information Literacy and research techniques. Information Literacy skills are taught in very few higher learning centres in India (I may be wrong though since such courses were available to me both at undergrad and postgrad levels) I would suggest that it is vital that people know about what research is and how sources are evaluated. I also think there needs to be coverage of technical writing (which includes reviewing literature, structuring, brevity, balance, avoiding closed paraphrasing and plagiarism, inline citation with templates, citation styles - Harvard, MLA, APA, use of bibliographic tools like Zotero )
best wishes Shyamal PS: will check if i can find the slides that i use, only able to find my internet research slides at the moment http://www.slideshare.net/muscicapa/information-literacy-and-internet-use-fo...
1) Public Speaking and Engaging the audience
- Presentation Skill and Body language
- Basic Video editing skills
- Leveraging mainstream and social media
- Basics of Copyright and Creative Commons for Content Donation and
Digitization 6) Technical session on complexities of Indian Languages on Computers (or based on majority participants need) 7) Wikimedia India Chapter - History and Present
Hi Shyamal,
Thanks for sharing the deck and for stating the importance of Information literacy and research techniques. Could not agree any more about their importance. However, as you have rightly noted the focus is more on doing a successful outreach. Would try to incorporate some of these skill set into the program design.
Best, Vishnu
On 7 September 2013 08:43, Shyamal L. lshyamal@gmail.com wrote:
I see that core editing related matters are included only in point 5 and 6. I was recently examining some statistics related to BSNL dynamic IP addresses since I quite frequently see a new message for me when I log in in the morning on the en.wiki and the message turns out to be in almost all cases warnings against poor editing, vandalism and so on. On some IP ranges, about 1-6% of all IP talk pages have warnings and an analysis shows that the most common problem is poor sourcing, self-promotion and other forms of advertising.
In my (limited) experience working with advanced students (MS + levels) on Wikipedia editing, I have found it very useful to cover Information Literacy and research techniques. Information Literacy skills are taught in very few higher learning centres in India (I may be wrong though since such courses were available to me both at undergrad and postgrad levels) I would suggest that it is vital that people know about what research is and how sources are evaluated. I also think there needs to be coverage of technical writing (which includes reviewing literature, structuring, brevity, balance, avoiding closed paraphrasing and plagiarism, inline citation with templates, citation styles - Harvard, MLA, APA, use of bibliographic tools like Zotero )
best wishes Shyamal PS: will check if i can find the slides that i use, only able to find my internet research slides at the moment http://www.slideshare.net/muscicapa/information-literacy-and-internet-use-fo...
- Public Speaking and Engaging the audience
- Presentation Skill and Body language
- Basic Video editing skills
- Leveraging mainstream and social media
- Basics of Copyright and Creative Commons for Content Donation and
Digitization 6) Technical session on complexities of Indian Languages on Computers (or based on majority participants need) 7) Wikimedia India Chapter - History and Present
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Hello everyone,
First of all extremely sorry for the delayed response. It took us a little while to put this together.
We understand there were a lot of questions about the agenda of train the trainer program. We have put together a rough draft which we wanted to share with you all. [1] Just want to mention that this the very first draft and is open to any kind of changes. We will also write to each of the participants to know what aspects they'd like to cover and incorporate those in our sessions.
We are happy to share that so far we have received significant number of applications from most active Indian language Wikimedia communities including Odia, Malayalam, Telugu, Tamil, Hindi, Sanskrit, Gujarati, Assamese, Kannada and more. It's good to know that the community sees value in our work and we would like to thank each applicant for applying for the program. We'll soon write to the candidates to communicate about their selection and finalize logistics.
As you would see from the schedule final dates for the program are from 3rd - 6th October.
If you have any further suggestions, comments or questions please feel free to write to us at a2k@cis-india.org or drop a note on the program's talk page. [2]
Thanks Nitika Tandon Program Manager Access to Knowledge The Centre for Internet & Society
[1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjHXxJd1jwTedDlFUldWaTlKMl9NTGh... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Events/Train_...
On 08-Sep-2013, at 5:48 PM, Vishnu T wrote:
Hi Shyamal,
Thanks for sharing the deck and for stating the importance of Information literacy and research techniques. Could not agree any more about their importance. However, as you have rightly noted the focus is more on doing a successful outreach. Would try to incorporate some of these skill set into the program design.
Best, Vishnu
On 7 September 2013 08:43, Shyamal L. lshyamal@gmail.com wrote: I see that core editing related matters are included only in point 5 and 6. I was recently examining some statistics related to BSNL dynamic IP addresses since I quite frequently see a new message for me when I log in in the morning on the en.wiki and the message turns out to be in almost all cases warnings against poor editing, vandalism and so on. On some IP ranges, about 1-6% of all IP talk pages have warnings and an analysis shows that the most common problem is poor sourcing, self-promotion and other forms of advertising.
In my (limited) experience working with advanced students (MS + levels) on Wikipedia editing, I have found it very useful to cover Information Literacy and research techniques. Information Literacy skills are taught in very few higher learning centres in India (I may be wrong though since such courses were available to me both at undergrad and postgrad levels) I would suggest that it is vital that people know about what research is and how sources are evaluated. I also think there needs to be coverage of technical writing (which includes reviewing literature, structuring, brevity, balance, avoiding closed paraphrasing and plagiarism, inline citation with templates, citation styles - Harvard, MLA, APA, use of bibliographic tools like Zotero )
best wishes Shyamal PS: will check if i can find the slides that i use, only able to find my internet research slides at the moment http://www.slideshare.net/muscicapa/information-literacy-and-internet-use-fo...
- Public Speaking and Engaging the audience
- Presentation Skill and Body language
- Basic Video editing skills
- Leveraging mainstream and social media
- Basics of Copyright and Creative Commons for Content Donation and
Digitization 6) Technical session on complexities of Indian Languages on Computers (or based on majority participants need) 7) Wikimedia India Chapter - History and Present
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On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Nitika Tandon nitika@cis-india.org wrote:
We understand there were a lot of questions about the agenda of train the trainer program. We have put together a rough draft which we wanted to share with you all. [1] Just want to mention that this the very first draft and is open to any kind of changes. We will also write to each of the participants to know what aspects they'd like to cover and incorporate those in our sessions.
Thank you for the link to the draft schedule. I have a somewhat tangential query. I notice that you recommend ScanTailor http://sourceforge.net/projects/scantailor/ for the participants. I was wondering if it would be possible to share (later, if not now) an estimate of accuracy of the software in post processing and handling digitized content in Indian languages. Perhaps using random samples from archive.org
And, as a suggestion, I would request that you put up pre-participation reading material wherever possible. For example, the sessions on Introduction to Unicode or, Fonts and Rendering would require some prior knowledge of the subject matter and help the resource person calibrate the proceedings accordingly.
ScanTailor is not a OCR. It has got nothing to do with Indian Languages.
Regards, Pavanaja
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On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Nitika Tandon nitika@cis-india.org wrote:
We understand there were a lot of questions about the agenda of train the trainer program. We have put together a rough draft which we wanted to share with you all. [1] Just want to mention that this the very first draft and is open to any kind of changes. We will also write to each of the participants to know what aspects they'd like to cover and incorporate those in our sessions.
Thank you for the link to the draft schedule. I have a somewhat tangential query. I notice that you recommend ScanTailor http://sourceforge.net/projects/scantailor/ for the participants. I was wondering if it would be possible to share (later, if not now) an estimate of accuracy of the software in post processing and handling digitized content in Indian languages. Perhaps using random samples from archive.org
And, as a suggestion, I would request that you put up pre-participation reading material wherever possible. For example, the sessions on Introduction to Unicode or, Fonts and Rendering would require some prior knowledge of the subject matter and help the resource person calibrate the proceedings accordingly.
-- sankarshan mukhopadhyay https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan
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On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Pavanaja U B pavanaja@vishvakannada.com wrote:
ScanTailor is not a OCR. It has got nothing to do with Indian Languages.
Indeed. I realized that it clearly mentions that "Scanning, optical character recognition, and assembling multi-page documents are out of scope of this project." And, in that context, what is the use case in which ScanTailor would be handy? The website states further states that "It performs operations such as page splitting, deskewing, adding/removing borders, and others." From which I understand that is a necessary step in the flow of actual_document -> photograph/scan -> re-alignment. But that generates a digitized text. You do have to retrieve information/text from that to be able to use it. Is that something to be tackled later?
You do have to retrieve information/text from that to be able to use it. Is that something to be tackled later?
Yes
Regards, Pavanaja
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On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Pavanaja U B pavanaja@vishvakannada.com wrote:
ScanTailor is not a OCR. It has got nothing to do with Indian Languages.
Indeed. I realized that it clearly mentions that "Scanning, optical character recognition, and assembling multi-page documents are out of scope of this project." And, in that context, what is the use case in which ScanTailor would be handy? The website states further states that "It performs operations such as page splitting, deskewing, adding/removing borders, and others." From which I understand that is a necessary step in the flow of actual_document -> photograph/scan -> re-alignment. But that generates a digitized text. You do have to retrieve information/text from that to be able to use it. Is that something to be tackled later?
-- sankarshan mukhopadhyay https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan
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