On 04/09/2012 08:00 AM, wikimediaindia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
Odia Wikipedia Outreach Programs in Odisha
This was a very interesting and comprehensive report -- thank you, Mrutyunjaya Kar!
I noticed this:
Once we had shown everyone this, we invited those who were interested to stay for a more detailed and hands-on editing to stay, and told everyone else they were free to leave. A few of the audience left the lab, and the remaining 9 created their user accounts.
I see that a few other outreach sessions have also done this. I am curious -- when you do this, what specific phrasing do you use? I want to know how to say "if you're not interested, you can leave if you want" in a friendly, hospitable way, so your examples might help.
Thanks!
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Sumana Harihareswara <sumanah@wikimedia.org
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On 04/09/2012 08:00 AM, wikimediaindia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.orgwrote:
Odia Wikipedia Outreach Programs in Odisha
This was a very interesting and comprehensive report -- thank you, Mrutyunjaya Kar!
I noticed this:
Once we had shown everyone this, we invited those who were interested to stay for a more detailed and hands-on editing to stay, and told everyone else they were free to leave. A few of the audience left the lab, and the remaining 9 created their user accounts.
I see that a few other outreach sessions have also done this. I am curious -- when you do this, what specific phrasing do you use? I want to know how to say "if you're not interested, you can leave if you want" in a friendly, hospitable way, so your examples might help.
Thank you Mritunjaya, and nice observation Sumana!
One of the most common questions which I have received from new meet up and workshop participants is: "Do you get paid for doing this?" or "Will I get paid for working on Wikipedia?"
I'm interested in knowing how other members of the community handle these questions.
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Hi, I have tried this method. Bala and I during the Coimbatore meetup in December, just said that the session would be more indepth compared to the previous one.
While doing wikipedia/osm workshops, I make it a point to start with the "Why am I doing this and what do I gain by being here" section. This lets everyone understand what the open movement and community is about, and what I personally gained/gain by being a part of it. After this, I let everyone know that those who would like personal attention and help can move to the front so that its easy for me to attend to them.
Personally, this has worked very well and also made people more interactive rather than become a classroom type session.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I have tried this method. Bala and I during the Coimbatore meetup in December, just said that the session would be more indepth compared to the previous one.
-- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
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I do love to share, "*Where and how else can your voice be heard thousands of times round the world by different people?*". I then show them few audio files I uploaded and placed as an audio pronunciation to the relevant articles, and show them the Page view statistics of that particular file. And believe me, collectively numbers are huge. Also I show them "Page view stats" of any of the images I uploaded on commons. This really works sometimes, it encourages participants to at least try out by doing simple yet effective tasks and shows them that its not even that difficult to contribute.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Arun Ganesh arun.planemad@gmail.comwrote:
While doing wikipedia/osm workshops, I make it a point to start with the "Why am I doing this and what do I gain by being here" section. This lets everyone understand what the open movement and community is about, and what I personally gained/gain by being a part of it. After this, I let everyone know that those who would like personal attention and help can move to the front so that its easy for me to attend to them.
Personally, this has worked very well and also made people more interactive rather than become a classroom type session.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I have tried this method. Bala and I during the Coimbatore meetup in December, just said that the session would be more indepth compared to the previous one.
-- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
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On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:53 AM, Arnav Sonara sonara.arnav@gmail.comwrote:
"*Where and how else can your voice be heard thousands of times round the world by different people?*"
Posing such a question in the context of image and file uploads may be fine. However, if we attempt at recruiting editors saying that Wikipedia is a means to have their voice heard then we risk compromising our NPOV ideal by attracting the attention of the POVpushing blogger complex.
So I'd recommend not advertising Wikipedia as a platform for having "your voice heard" but as a place where the contributors' research work is appreciated and read not only by a community of dedicated users but also a part of the 400 million+ unique visitors each year. Though I know "having your voice heard" sounds far more sexier but partisan POVpushing is a serious issue on en.wp and tends to drive away far more contributors than anything else.
One of the reasons why our project tends to have far more teenage editors is likely because this is a demographic segment which has still not formed strong opinions on different subjects, and therefore are more likely to represent sources accurately without misrepresentation, original research and original synthesis. Older people have far less patience for a project that adamantly gives more weight to third party reliable sources and scholarly research and rejects original research and synthesis. Some of the users who get banhammered by one of these administrators ultimately criticize the project saying that it is run by pimple-faced teenage school-boys with too much time on their hands. :-)
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I have tried this method. Bala and I during the Coimbatore meetup in December, just said that the session would be more indepth compared to the previous one.
This is a nice example of separating the wheat from the chaff.
The situation gets more complicated when there are t-shirts involved though. When more people tend to hang around just because of the swag, the result is a distracted and impatient crowd which is not really interested in what you are talking about.
Tip: Give away the t-shirts in the beginning itself. It is really not worth trying to keep uninterested people around through the t-shirts carrot. The interested participants will thank you for it, and you might conclude the session with a recruit or two.
Ultimately, this is not about recruiting editors, it is not about writing grand reports, it is about identifying like-minded individuals who are genuinely interested in our projects - it is about making friends. :-)
There were never T-shirts involved in this session. Never. Not in Coimbatore for sure.
An alternative way of saying it is: This isn't a class. I don't want it to be a boring lecture. I'm talking here because I'm passionate about what I do. You don't have to be here if you don't want to. This is not a class which you need to attend in order to write your exams.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudhsbh@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I have tried this method. Bala and I during the Coimbatore meetup in December, just said that the session would be more indepth compared to the previous one.
This is a nice example of separating the wheat from the chaff.
The situation gets more complicated when there are t-shirts involved though. When more people tend to hang around just because of the swag, the result is a distracted and impatient crowd which is not really interested in what you are talking about.
Tip: Give away the t-shirts in the beginning itself. It is really not worth trying to keep uninterested people around through the t-shirts carrot. The interested participants will thank you for it, and you might conclude the session with a recruit or two.
Ultimately, this is not about recruiting editors, it is not about writing grand reports, it is about identifying like-minded individuals who are genuinely interested in our projects - it is about making friends. :-)
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Heya, I have a small question. This is particularly aimed at Hisham, Nitika and Noopur. How do you guys handle these question. I infer that you guys have conducted nearly 22 odd outreach sessions. How do you answer the Question: Do you get paid to do this?
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