Hi Folks,
Kritharth is a student at IIT and has been actively involved in Wikipedia monthly meet-ups in Delhi. It was through him that we got in touch with the organisers at Tryst - annual tech fest organized by IIT-Delhi. I'd really like to thank him for helping us organise this session and a big thank you to Noopur, Rajesh and Piyush for all their help.
Two Wikipedia sessions were conducted at IIT Delhi during their tech fest Tryst 2012. The underlying idea was to explain the basics of Wikipedia, 5 Pillars, few policies, anatomy of an article and provide some hands-on training on basic Wikipedia editing. Two sessions were conducted in a slight different manner since we wanted to test effectiveness of different methods. My mail will explain different approaches that were adopted for each of these sessions and outcomes of the same.
First session on March 3rd, Saturday: About 50 attendees participated in a 3 hour long session. There were IIT students, students from other engineering colleges in NCR and some working fellows amongst the participants. User:Hisham started the session by introducing Wikipedia, who edits Wikipedia, 5 pillars, few Wikipedia policies. We then moved on to actual hands on editing and taught them basic Wikipedia editing. Some students raised really intelligent questions about referencing and NPOV. Though, we noticed that a lot of students lost interest and focus when we spoke about Wikipedia Policies in detail which took over half an hour. During the session we demonstrated by editing articles on Tryst - IIT Delhi and IIT Delhi.
Just the fact that the participants willingly sat through such a long session and had several questions shows their genuine interest in learning more about Wikipedia. About 6 students (12%) created their usernames after the session and 2 (4%) have attempted to make minor edits after the session. A big thank you to User:Piyush.Aggarwal and User:RajeshPandey for all their help and support.
Second session on March 5th, Monday: There were about 40 participants. Once again, there was mix of IIT and non-IIT students. We organised the session a bit differently - after giving a brief introduction about Wikipedia and showing some basic editing we invited the uninterested participants to feel free to leave the session and requested only the interested lot to stay back for the remaining session. The participants were informed that in the second half of the session we'll be talking in greater detail about Wikipedia policies and do more hands-on editing training hence it made sense only for those students to stay back who'd like to get deeper knowledge about Wikipedia. Eventually we were left with 8 participants but in my opinion that's was the beginning point of a more interactive and interesting session. Each of these 8 participants were more involved when discussing about Wikipedia policies, they wanted to do more hands on editing and we were also able to provide them individual attention because of limited numbers. During the session we edited the article on Chacha Chowdhary and one of the participants started an article on tunde ke kabab.
11 participants (27.5%) created their usernames and 2 (5%) have made few edits post the session.
It's great that we're able to get more people involved in Wikipedia activities - participants who were students outside of IIT also want to conduct similar Wikipedia sessions in their campus, 4 of the participants also joined us for the Delhi 7 meet-up. However, I want to focus on few who have shown interest in Wikipedia editing - provide them editing support and keep them motivated. I'm also thinking of a "Buddy System" to keep these interested participants going and providing them support. If you haven't already guessed what I mean by the name "Buddy System" please stay tuned, I'll soon send another mail about it - I need your ideas and thoughts (needless to say your support too :-)
Thanks Nitika
I too think we should conc. more on quality than quantity. If we get 4/5 interested students from a session (be it only 5% or 10%) then we should take good care to support them & keep them motivated.. Good point..:-)
Deepon On Mar 12, 2012 11:04 PM, "Nitika" ntandon@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Folks,
Kritharth is a student at IIT and has been actively involved in Wikipedia monthly meet-ups in Delhi. It was through him that we got in touch with the organisers at Tryst - annual tech fest organized by IIT-Delhi. I'd really like to thank him for helping us organise this session and a big thank you to Noopur, Rajesh and Piyush for all their help.
Two Wikipedia sessionshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop/Delhi_Workshop_1 were conducted at IIT Delhi during their tech fest Tryst 2012. The underlying idea was to explain the basics of Wikipedia, 5 Pillars, few policies, anatomy of an article and provide some hands-on training on basic Wikipedia editing. Two sessions were conducted in a slight different manner since we wanted to test effectiveness of different methods. My mail will explain different approaches that were adopted for each of these sessions and outcomes of the same.
- First session on March 3rd, Saturday:
About 50 attendees participated in a 3 hour long session. There were IIT students, students from other engineering colleges in NCR and some working fellows amongst the participants. User:Hishamhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hisham started the session by introducing Wikipedia, who edits Wikipedia, 5 pillars, few Wikipedia policies. We then moved on to actual hands on editing and taught them basic Wikipedia editing. Some students raised really intelligent questions about referencing and NPOV. Though, we noticed that a lot of students lost interest and focus when we spoke about Wikipedia Policies in detail which took over half an hour. During the session we demonstrated by editing articles on Tryst - IIT Delhihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryst,_IIT_Delhi and IIT Delhihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Delhi .
Just the fact that the participants willingly sat through such a long session and had several questions shows their genuine interest in learning more about Wikipedia. About 6 students (12%) created their usernames after the session and 2 (4%) have attempted to make minor edits after the session. A big thank you to User:Piyush.Aggarwalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piyush.Aggarwal and User:RajeshPandey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RajeshPandey for all their help and support.
- Second session on March 5th, Monday:
There were about 40 participants. Once again, there was mix of IIT and non-IIT students. We organised the session a bit differently - after giving a brief introduction about Wikipedia and showing some basic editing we invited the uninterested participants to feel free to leave the session and requested only the interested lot to stay back for the remaining session. The participants were informed that in the second half of the session we'll be talking in greater detail about Wikipedia policies and do more hands-on editing training hence it made sense only for those students to stay back who'd like to get deeper knowledge about Wikipedia. Eventually we were left with 8 participants but in my opinion that's was the beginning point of a more interactive and interesting session. Each of these 8 participants were more involved when discussing about Wikipedia policies, they wanted to do more hands on editing and we were also able to provide them individual attention because of limited numbers. During the session we edited the article on Chacha Chowdharyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chacha_Chowdhary and one of the participants started an article on tunde ke kababhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunde_ke_Kabab .
11 participants (27.5%) created their usernames and 2 (5%) have made few edits post the session.
It's great that we're able to get more people involved in Wikipedia activities - participants who were students outside of IIT also want to conduct similar Wikipedia sessions in their campus, 4 of the participants also joined us for the Delhi 7 meet-up. However, I want to focus on few who have shown interest in Wikipedia editing - provide them editing support and keep them motivated. I'm also thinking of a "Buddy System" to keep these interested participants going and providing them support. If you haven't already guessed what I mean by the name "Buddy System" please stay tuned, I'll soon send another mail about it - I need your ideas and thoughts (needless to say your support too :-)
Thanks Nitika
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Hey,FYI I think there is no need of individual article for Tryst. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Education_in_India#C... Ratnakar | kondi Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:42:43 -0700 From: hideeponhere@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Report: Wiki workshop @ IIT Delhi
I too think we should conc. more on quality than quantity. If we get 4/5 interested students from a session (be it only 5% or 10%) then we should take good care to support them & keep them motivated.. Good point..:-)
Deepon On Mar 12, 2012 11:04 PM, "Nitika" ntandon@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Folks, Kritharth is a student at IIT and has been actively involved in Wikipedia monthly meet-ups in Delhi. It was through him that we got in touch with the organisers at Tryst - annual tech fest organized by IIT-Delhi. I'd really like to thank him for helping us organise this session and a big thank you to Noopur, Rajesh and Piyush for all their help.
Two Wikipedia sessions were conducted at IIT Delhi during their tech fest Tryst 2012. The underlying idea was to explain the basics of Wikipedia, 5 Pillars, few policies, anatomy of an article and provide some hands-on training on basic Wikipedia editing. Two sessions were conducted in a slight different manner since we wanted to test effectiveness of different methods. My mail will explain different approaches that were adopted for each of these sessions and outcomes of the same.
First session on March 3rd, Saturday: About 50 attendees participated in a 3 hour long session. There were IIT students, students from other engineering colleges in NCR and some working fellows amongst the participants. User:Hisham started the session by introducing Wikipedia, who edits Wikipedia, 5 pillars, few Wikipedia policies. We then moved on to actual hands on editing and taught them basic Wikipedia editing. Some students raised really intelligent questions about referencing and NPOV. Though, we noticed that a lot of students lost interest and focus when we spoke about Wikipedia Policies in detail which took over half an hour. During the session we demonstrated by editing articles on Tryst - IIT Delhi and IIT Delhi.
Just the fact that the participants willingly sat through such a long session and had several questions shows their genuine interest in learning more about Wikipedia. About 6 students (12%) created their usernames after the session and 2 (4%) have attempted to make minor edits after the session. A big thank you to User:Piyush.Aggarwal and User:RajeshPandey for all their help and support.
Second session on March 5th, Monday:There were about 40 participants. Once again, there was mix of IIT and non-IIT students. We organised the session a bit differently - after giving a brief introduction about Wikipedia and showing some basic editing we invited the uninterested participants to feel free to leave the session and requested only the interested lot to stay back for the remaining session. The participants were informed that in the second half of the session we'll be talking in greater detail about Wikipedia policies and do more hands-on editing training hence it made sense only for those students to stay back who'd like to get deeper knowledge about Wikipedia. Eventually we were left with 8 participants but in my opinion that's was the beginning point of a more interactive and interesting session. Each of these 8 participants were more involved when discussing about Wikipedia policies, they wanted to do more hands on editing and we were also able to provide them individual attention because of limited numbers. During the session we edited the article on Chacha Chowdhary and one of the participants started an article on tunde ke kabab.
11 participants (27.5%) created their usernames and 2 (5%) have made few edits post the session.
It's great that we're able to get more people involved in Wikipedia activities - participants who were students outside of IIT also want to conduct similar Wikipedia sessions in their campus, 4 of the participants also joined us for the Delhi 7 meet-up. However, I want to focus on few who have shown interest in Wikipedia editing - provide them editing support and keep them motivated. I'm also thinking of a "Buddy System" to keep these interested participants going and providing them support. If you haven't already guessed what I mean by the name "Buddy System" please stay tuned, I'll soon send another mail about it - I need your ideas and thoughts (needless to say your support too :-)
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Agreed. We can't have articles for eachand every college fest. I said the same thing at NITT. Though I believe Pragyan scraped thru the Notability border because it was ISO certified.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.ghoda@gmail.com wrote:
Agreed. We can't have articles for eachand every college fest. I said the same thing at NITT. Though I believe Pragyan scraped thru the Notability border because it was ISO certified.
That simply depends on whether the event passes [[WP:GNG]] and [[WP:EVENT]] notability guidelines.
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On Mar 12, 2012, at 11:12 PM, Deepon Saha wrote:
I too think we should conc. more on quality than quantity. If we get 4/5 interested students from a session (be it only 5% or 10%) then we should take good care to support them & keep them motivated.. Good point..:-)
Hey, Deepon, I totally agree with you. More below on focussing on smaller groups.
On your point on providing support and motivation, Nitika and Subha are working on something that you will hear from soon.
On Mar 12, 2012 11:04 PM, "Nitika" ntandon@wikimedia.org wrote:
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Kritharth is a student at IIT and has been actively involved in Wikipedia monthly meet-ups in Delhi. It was through him that we got in touch with the organisers at Tryst - annual tech fest organized by IIT-Delhi. I'd really like to thank him for helping us organise this session and a big thank you to Noopur, Rajesh and Piyush for all their help.
Thanks so much Kritharth, User:Piyush.Aggarwal and User:RajeshPandey! These were really well organised sessions!
Second session on March 5th, Monday:
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We organised the session a bit differently - after giving a brief introduction about Wikipedia and showing some basic editing we invited the uninterested participants to feel free to leave the session and requested only the interested lot to stay back for the remaining session. The participants were informed that in the second half of the session we'll be talking in greater detail about Wikipedia policies and do more hands-on editing training hence it made sense only for those students to stay back who'd like to get deeper knowledge about Wikipedia. Eventually we were left with 8 participants but in my opinion that's was the beginning point of a more interactive and interesting session. Each of these 8 participants were more involved when discussing about Wikipedia policies, they wanted to do more hands on editing and we were also able to provide them individual attention because of limited numbers.
Three advantages. The quality of the discussion became so much richer because you had only the most committed in the room. The kind of attention we were able to give to everyone left was so much more personal. Also, as a presenter, I actually felt so much more motivated because the only guys in the room were so much more involved.
During the session we edited the article on Chacha Chowdhary and one of the participants started an article on tunde ke kabab.
It's really essential to do actual editing on article - and get the participants themselves to edit. You should have seen the look of pride on the participants with every edit. Large groups in outreach sessions become unmanageable - so we should focus on smaller groups.
hisham
Oh, so that's where Tunde Ke Kabab came from! I tried to get support to bring it to DYK, but didn't have time after that.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Hisham hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mar 12, 2012, at 11:12 PM, Deepon Saha wrote:
I too think we should conc. more on quality than quantity. If we get 4/5 interested students from a session (be it only 5% or 10%) then we should take good care to support them & keep them motivated.. Good point..:-)
Hey, Deepon, I totally agree with you. More below on focussing on smaller groups.
On your point on providing support and motivation, Nitika and Subha are working on something that you will hear from soon.
On Mar 12, 2012 11:04 PM, "Nitika" ntandon@wikimedia.org wrote:
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Kritharth is a student at IIT and has been actively involved in Wikipedia
monthly meet-ups in Delhi. It was through him that we got in touch with the organisers at Tryst - annual tech fest organized by IIT-Delhi. I'd really like to thank him for helping us organise this session and a big thank you to Noopur, Rajesh and Piyush for all their help.
Thanks so much Kritharth, User:Piyush.Aggarwalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piyush.Aggarwal and User:RajeshPandey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RajeshPandey! These were really well organised sessions!
- Second session on March 5th, Monday:
<cut>
We organised the session a bit differently - after giving a brief
introduction about Wikipedia and showing some basic editing we invited the uninterested participants to feel free to leave the session and requested only the interested lot to stay back for the remaining session. The participants were informed that in the second half of the session we'll be talking in greater detail about Wikipedia policies and do more hands-on editing training hence it made sense only for those students to stay back who'd like to get deeper knowledge about Wikipedia. Eventually we were left with 8 participants but in my opinion that's was the beginning point of a more interactive and interesting session. Each of these 8 participants were more involved when discussing about Wikipedia policies, they wanted to do more hands on editing and we were also able to provide them individual attention because of limited numbers.
Three advantages. The quality of the discussion became so much richer because you had only the most committed in the room. The kind of attention we were able to give to everyone left was so much more personal. Also, as a presenter, I actually felt so much more motivated because the only guys in the room were so much more involved.
During the session we edited the article on Chacha Chowdharyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chacha_Chowdhary and
one of the participants started an article on tunde ke kababhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunde_ke_Kabab .
It's really essential to do actual editing on article - and get the participants themselves to edit. You should have seen the look of pride on the participants with every edit. Large groups in outreach sessions become unmanageable - so we should focus on smaller groups.
*hisham*
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On Mar 13, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:
Oh, so that's where Tunde Ke Kabab came from!
strictly speaking, the Tunde ke Kabab came from Lucknow... ;-)
(sorry, couldn't resist) and *ducks for cover while a mailing list admin hunts him down*
The article's got 8 editors contributing 20+ edits over 5 days. That's not earth-shattering but it's so encouraging to see!
It was also one of those rare moments where a newbie in an outreach session got a chance to create an article. I usually discourage newbies from getting too fussed about creating an article and try and get them to edit existing articles - but this time we just got lucky.
I tried to get support to bring it to DYK, but didn't have time after that.
I'm sure it would be a great DYK candidate but it's got a long way to go to hit the 1,500 mark.
For folks on the mailing list who don't know DYK, it stands for Did You Know, and it's a series of interesting facts from new or recently expanded articles on Wikipedia. If you ever run into acronyms on this mailing list (or any other), just check where you go for everything else: Wikipedia!
Happy Editing!
hisham
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Hisham hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mar 12, 2012 11:04 PM, "Nitika" ntandon@wikimedia.org wrote:
During the session we edited the article on Chacha Chowdhary and one of the participants started an article on tunde ke kabab.
It's really essential to do actual editing on article - and get the participants themselves to edit. You should have seen the look of pride on the participants with every edit. Large groups in outreach sessions become unmanageable - so we should focus on smaller groups.
Hisham, Very nicely put. Just a question: Do people who organise outreach events, use a little Humour in your talking? IT helps greatly in keeping people interested.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Hisham hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mar 13, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:
Oh, so that's where Tunde Ke Kabab came from!
strictly speaking, the Tunde ke Kababhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunde_ke_Kabab came from Lucknow... ;-)
(sorry, couldn't resist) and *ducks for cover while a mailing list admin hunts him down*
The article's got 8 editors contributing 20+ edits over 5 days. That's not earth-shattering but it's so encouraging to see!
It was also one of those rare moments where a newbie in an outreach session got a chance to create an article. I usually discourage newbies from getting too fussed about creating an article and try and get them to edit existing articles - but this time we just got lucky.
I tried to get support to bring it to DYK, but didn't have time after that.
I'm sure it would be a great DYK candidate but it's got a long way to go to hit the 1,500 mark.
For folks on the mailing list who don't know DYKhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know, it stands for Did You Know, and it's a series of interesting facts from new or recently expanded articles on Wikipedia. If you ever run into acronyms on this mailing list (or any other), just check where you go for everything else: Wikipedia!
Happy Editing!
*hisham*
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Hisham hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mar 12, 2012 11:04 PM, "Nitika" ntandon@wikimedia.org wrote:
During the session we edited the article on Chacha Chowdharyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chacha_Chowdhary and
one of the participants started an article on tunde ke kababhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunde_ke_Kabab .
It's really essential to do actual editing on article - and get the participants themselves to edit. You should have seen the look of pride on the participants with every edit. Large groups in outreach sessions become unmanageable - so we should focus on smaller groups.
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Hisham, it seems you now owe the community "tunde ke kabab" during the next bash. ;)
Srikanth, do humour only if you can do it. It should be used sparingly, like salt. Its counter-productive if it falls flat.
Better that instructors/volunteers should be positive, smiling and enthu while editing to get similar effects.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda@gmail.com> wrote:
Hisham, Very nicely put. Just a question: Do people who organise outreach events, use a little Humour in your talking? IT helps greatly in keeping people interested.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Hisham hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mar 13, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:
Oh, so that's where Tunde Ke Kabab came from!
strictly speaking, the Tunde ke Kababhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunde_ke_Kabab came from Lucknow... ;-)
(sorry, couldn't resist) and *ducks for cover while a mailing list admin hunts him down*
The article's got 8 editors contributing 20+ edits over 5 days. That's not earth-shattering but it's so encouraging to see!
It was also one of those rare moments where a newbie in an outreach session got a chance to create an article. I usually discourage newbies from getting too fussed about creating an article and try and get them to edit existing articles - but this time we just got lucky.
I tried to get support to bring it to DYK, but didn't have time after that.
I'm sure it would be a great DYK candidate but it's got a long way to go to hit the 1,500 mark.
For folks on the mailing list who don't know DYKhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know, it stands for Did You Know, and it's a series of interesting facts from new or recently expanded articles on Wikipedia. If you ever run into acronyms on this mailing list (or any other), just check where you go for everything else: Wikipedia!
Happy Editing!
*hisham*
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Hisham hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mar 12, 2012 11:04 PM, "Nitika" ntandon@wikimedia.org wrote:
During the session we edited the article on Chacha Chowdharyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chacha_Chowdhary and
one of the participants started an article on tunde ke kababhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunde_ke_Kabab .
It's really essential to do actual editing on article - and get the participants themselves to edit. You should have seen the look of pride on the participants with every edit. Large groups in outreach sessions become unmanageable - so we should focus on smaller groups.
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On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:
Hisham, it seems you now owe the community "tunde ke kabab" during the next bash. ;)
Considering that Shiju is trying to get support to improve the health of the community, tunde ke kabab I suspect would be ill-advised. Now on the other hand, if you had asked for brinjals...
Shameless plug: Please click on the community health link above or on the Medical Translate page and join up. We already have 12 editors from 7 Indic languages participating - which is great. ...but we ONLY have 12 editors from 7 Indic languages!!!
Srikanth, do humour only if you can do it. It should be used sparingly, like salt. Its counter-productive if it falls flat.
er, strictly speaking, salt in tunde ke kabab can't fall flat. It can either be too much or too little. in the context of tunde ke kabab, though the recipe is secret, i have tasted a hint of cloves - which could theoretically fall flat.
*mailing list admin bursts a vein*
Better that instructors/volunteers should be positive, smiling and enthu while editing to get similar effects.
On a serious note, I wanted to raise another point. English is not a first language for all of us. Not all of us are comfortable speaking in public - and that too in English. However (some) times, we feel pressured to conduct outreach in English by a college room full of guys who are chattering in English. There's nothing wrong if you choose to do outreach in our mother tongues. In fact, there is everything right in the presenter presenting in the language that he or she is most comfortable with. Bengali or Gujarati or Tamil or Punjabi or whatever is the non-English common language between the audience and the presenter. It doesn't have to be English if you're not comfortable.
hisham
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 17:57, Hisham hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
It doesn't have to be English if you're not comfortable.
It shouldn't be English if either you / audience are uncomfortable and both have a better comfort level in another language.
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