WhereDevilsDare, Yes, Bala has VERY valid points. While I was [sadly] inactive at the time of all this [and therefore lose my right to say anything], on going thru the edits, it has struck me that a lot of this is Warn-worthy. A dozen policies violated, another dozen good faith edits disrupted. I think these policies must be given in theory before the practical session starts. And yes, while some users are only beginning to lose their patience, many have already lost it ... Regards,
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:17 PM, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
*offlist*
I know Bala could have used a better tone, however he has raised some very good points. Lets stay focused on this and not convert it into another flame war like the previous IEP thread.
I know you guys have been working hard and that this hurts. However, on the other side of the river, people like Bala are having to face a lot of shit online, hence he is loosing his patience. Lets hope that this research takes your points and his points into consideration and there is a way worked out.
From: ramshankaryadav@gmail.com Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:07:36 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
Dear Bala, I'm glad that you came up with few more questions but most of them are in negative tone. We would love to have few questions from you pointing on few of the good things as well.
Please don't mind, it's not personal.
Thanks, Ram
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabottle@gmail.comwrote:
Somethings vital that are missing:
- How many regular editors were required to clean up the articles. How
many reverts/cleanup edits were required to clean up after the IEP students. 2) How many admin actions/interventions were required - warnings, blocks, mergers, deletions, AFDs 3) How many regular volunteer hours were spent on this project. 4) How much did the new page patrollers (NPP) backlog increase because of IEP 5) How much did the copyright cleanup investigations (CCI) backlog increase because of IEP 6) How long is it going to take to clean everything up. What do the NPP/CCI project members feel about the extra workload. 7) What was the impact on the existing en wiki community. How their attitude towards such a program has been damaged.
A supplimentary question: Are kudpung, moonriddengirl, fluffernutter, Voceditenore, spacemanspiff et al being interviewed?
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM, sankarshan foss.mailinglists@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Nitika ntandon@wikimedia.org wrote:
We want to collate data points to be able to analyze and draw out trends. Here is an example of data that we're trying to dig out (and this is
just a
sub-set of a preliminary list)
Sharing the entire list of data points would be a nice thing to have. If it is possible.
What's the amount of data that students have added to Wikipedia? What's
the
amount of data that got reverted? What's the net amount of information
that
the students have added on Wikipedia?
The above should lend themselves to instrumentation and should be somewhat trivially available.
How many students edited articles outside of their in-class assignments?
This is an interesting and non-trivial question. Which prompts me to ask - why would you want to track this ?
How many student's got warnings on their talk pages? How many students corrected their errors after these warnings? How many students got blocked? / How many students got blocked more than once?
Again, the above should be easily instrumented. At least, the initial nature of the questions look that way.
-- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog
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