Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are covered by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,*
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then please state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send
out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required
for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed expenses and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which can be covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?*
*I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared to cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it might need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-February/009257.h...
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? *
*I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used?*
*This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapte* r.
*This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapte*r.
- I am talking about other 'fixed' expenses for possible activities which
can be zeroed down. Again refer above 'in-kind' link on how to zero it down.
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on thi*s.
Your thoughts/assumption is correct, on which part you want elaboration? And its Board Meeting flight tickets expenses.
*@Srikanth : *
*Substantiate your claim that CIS
is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBER*S,
Read above replies and following link.
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, Member No: INDI-31, Wikimedia India Chapter, http://members.wikimedia.in/User:AbhiSuryawanshi
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Abhishek, where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary stated, please stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government departments.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
I meant Board Meeting. Sorry for confusion and apologies for same.
Chapter flight tickets and travel expenses are covered by CIS, Correct me if I am wrong???
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsvyas@gmail.com
wrote:
On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?
I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience,
I
know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years
ago).
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this.
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used?
This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of
chapter.
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure
India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
Regards, Dhaval (on my own behalf)
Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have
no
financial inrerest with either of them personally.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer <
rednosedrudy@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to
come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave
people
like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a
tremendous amount to you guys.
Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally); http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant
to
the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in
India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim <
nawabhakimdr@ymail.com> wrote:
> > hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh > ruppes.
this is cheating.
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