Thanks Sivaraam,
But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about part-time hired people serving for 6 months or so on specific projects serving for specific language communities. In India on account of Hindi's largest user base Foundation chooses it whenever a new project comes in for getting input. Mostly these positions are called 'liaison'.
They get paid and mostly these job's information not get publicly available (like mailing list or village pump but maybe on the link you gave). Whenever a new initiative takes place in foundation, these newly made positions get filled up by people who doesn't have the confidence of the community and in severe cases can't even write Hindi!
This is a important issue for our community. More information on this will be helpful.
Many thanks, Piyush (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी)
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020, 9:23 pm Piyush Maurya, piyush93688@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Krishna and all,
Thanks for very detailed clarification. I agree this was some kind of dubious statement without any credibility (which my comment showed).
But to get some real outcome of this discussion if any. I want to know how the foundation chooses or appoints people for posts roll out for communities. I have been witness to several such cases in the past year or so where such posts got filled by someone without community consultation or knowledge.
I'm talking about Hindi Wikimedia community in this case. What is the procedure for applying for these posts. We get several people here who doesn't know how to write Hindi and are serving as communication bridge or liaison. And they seem to be getting these (they get paid) jobs by some kind of connection among themselves.
Many thanks, Piyush (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी)
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 8:29 pm Tito Dutta, trulytito@gmail.com wrote:
I agree. It rushed towards a conclusion without caring about questions and discussion. There was not much good faith assumed as well, in my opinion.
(My opinion is in personal capacity) --User:Titodutta
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 7:34 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga < kcvelaga@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
Firstly, I would like to condemn this email from a person named “Arvind Menon” - this email is very much a personal attack on me, to misguide a community member, character assasination and to defame, all using a fake profile. If the person is actually seeking any information for community benefit, as Piyush rightly pointed, it would be helpful to know the person’s Wikimedia identity, and their work. Otherwise, this can merely be regarded as an ad hominem attack, which has happened several times in the past on this mailing list.
Before I go into details, I have been very disturbed by this email, as several people were asking me, and I was pressurised. I personally request community members to look for authenticity before considering anything. I fear this might become a practice to target people just by creating fake profiles/emails, and wrongfully nameshaming them on public platforms, without complete understanding.
Regarding my role with WMF, firstly, there was a contract, but I did not have any employment, and do not hold any. There has been public documentation about it, and stating there wasn't any is untrue. All the relevant details+evidence will be put forward. I have asked WMF support regarding the same, and they would be giving further on this shortly (probably in a day or two) after this email.
I would like to particularly focus on the WikiConference India part. My relation with WMF has nothing to do with the grant, and no benefit of the same has been applied in either of the contexts. Though initially people expressed concerns, many of them, after clarifying, went on to support the proposal, and it gained more than 40 endorsements https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/WikiConference_India_2020#Endorsements from community members, which shows the community is in favour of the proposal and the conference. WMF comments were not against it. We created FAQs https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/WikiConference_India_2020#FAQs on the grant page itself to help community members understand the reasons behind it, and even all the questions on talk page were answered. We also mentioned that “all bills worth valuing more than ₹30,000.00 will be publicly published” - this demonstrates transparency, in an attempt to establish a new practice. Anyway, the entire Conference and Event Grants program has been paused due to COVID-19 pandemic, and none of the proposals forwarded from the initial stage.
I provided clarification even though the initial email doesn’t address me or respectfully seeks any information. I am taking this effort to provide detailed clarification, for the sake of community members and understanding only. This email, though posted by a fake profile, created great stress, and almost spoiled my entire day. I once again request the community to be careful of random postings with unidentifiable identities. I wonder if there is any way further such personal attacks can be avoided, towards any community member.
Regards,
Krishna Chaitanya V.
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020, 20:55 Piyush Maurya, piyush93688@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Arvind,
There are many cases where WMF appointed someone for x community and community didn't know nothing about it until the process is over.
Transparency is lacking in the foundation's working environment. If you share your username or what you do in the Wikimedia projects it will give your comments some value.
Kind regards, Piyush (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी)
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020, 4:50 pm Arvind Menon, tnkpndy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
The individual grantee for Wikiconference India 2020 grant had secretly done a WMF Contract job with the Community Program Team some month ago. There was no public announcement for the job so I believe no selection process or hidden selection and no public documentation that he was working. My question is why was he given the job depriving other community members from India who want to work but apply and get rejected. What was the need of WMF to hide the process by not informing or documenting.
So on Wikiconference India grant WMF was applying to WMF and WMF was going to accept WMF grant. Atleast from WMF grant comments it looks because community blamed grant taking so much money.
To me, this is utter misuse of power and abuse of donation money.
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