*I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion.
India Community deserves to know answers. At one end Chapter is criticizing CIS continuously on other hand its accepting financial help from them and I am wondering whats wrong in acknowledging it! If someone is helping then its ethical and normal to acknowledge it?
Its might be beginning of new era - where Chapter is focusing on outreach and activities events and CIS taking care of financial needs. Its good to see its already started..
*we will have to move beyond the question to get the answe*r.
Chapter should be ready to share answers.
Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Abhijith Jayanthi < abhijithsince1986@yahoo.com> wrote:
Guys,
I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion. Please continue this conversation privately, also - wanted to check on couple of points:
(1) Do we have a policy of permitted issues to be discussed over the all India Mailing list - if not, there is a necessity to work on it. (2) Disclosures and grievance handling procedures should be shared with each member upon joining and the mechanism should be followed.
Again, pointing fingers or rephrasing the issue itself is not the solution
we will have to move beyond the question to get the answer.
abhijith
*From:* Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
*To:* Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
*Sent:* Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the "information" from. The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at the
same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel
for Board meeting or not ?
Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com
wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are
covered
by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,*
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then
please
state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to
send
out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered
by
CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required
for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed
expenses
and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which
can be
covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?*
*I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my
experience,
I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g.
electricity,
water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared
to
cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it
might
need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
-- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India]
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