i just recieved the digest and it mostly contains only replies to the issues i raised. most of my mails are missing. or is there a glitch? Basavaraj N Itnal
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1. Re: Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? (Gautam John) 2. Re: Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? (Srikanth Ramakrishnan) 3. Re: Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? (Gautam John) 4. Re: Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? (Prateek Ramachandra) 5. Re: Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? (Swaroop Rao)
Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:36:56 +0530 From: Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: AANLkTimk7cfL6Dapw1=RnOQYSCZWwZc0puM3DkWB08UK@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi Basavaraj (and welcome to the list!):
Arguendo, that Sanskti is socially irrelevant, why should a Wikipedia in that language not exist by force of action given that one already exists and is active? Would that not be a morally egregious position - to state that it should *not* exist? In my humble view, there is a big difference between forcefully shutting something that is active down and in not encouraging activity on something that is dormant.
Also, Wikipedia in any language is not a body of work about that language but an encyclopedia in that language - the two aren't really analogous.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://social.prathambooks.org/
On 26 February 2011 16:31, Basavaraj Itnal basavarajitnal@yahoo.com wrote:
some reading on brahmanical tyranny,?lack of social
relevence of sanskrit?and related topics
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Be3PCvzf-BYC&pg=PA286&lpg=PA286&a...
http://www.ambedkar.org/brahmanism/Brahmins_were_benefited_by_Muslim_Conques...
http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/sanskrit_exposure.htm
Basavaraj N Itnal
--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Arun Ramarathnam arunram25@gmail.com
wrote:
From: Arun Ramarathnam arunram25@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right
for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia?
To: "Wikimedia India Community list" wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: "Basavaraj Itnal" basavarajitnal@yahoo.com Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 10:36 AM
Basavaraj, First of all, welcome to the mailing list and thanks
for you interest in wikipedia.
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Basavaraj Itnal
basavarajitnal@yahoo.com wrote:
- Till the Britsh Raj, Brahmins kept a large part of
Indian society out of bounds from knowledge which was in Sanskrit. They had provisions to pour molten lead into the ears of non-brahmins (including all women) who even heard a word of sanskrit. knowledge contained in that language is now available in English and Sanskrit only symbolises tyranny. Do we need Wikipedia in Sanskrit with the support of govt funding?
On you question on government support for a specific
language, it would be inappropriate for anyone to comment on behalf of government action. They (govt) are probably best positioned to respond to that query.
As a far support for wikipedia or wikipedia is
concerned, given there is a lot of volunteer work to be done, support from any quarters is welcome - individuals or organisations is welcome.
The intention of this list is to connect wikipedians
and those interested in wikipedia.
Wikipedia seeks to collate the sum total off all
knowledge and make it available for all to use freely. That includes as many languages as possible including Sanskrit and Pali.
We should also bear in mind the following as well;
- The eight schedule of the Indian constitution lists
Sanskrit as one of the 22 languages [1]
- Sanskrit is also the official language of one of the
states of India - Uttarkhand. [2]
- Why cannt we have a wikepedia in Pali as well, the
language which was used by Budha and which can give us an alternate view on life to that of vedic view?
This has been answered by others on the list. You are
welcome to contribute to Pali or any other language of your choice / interest on wikipedia.Volunteer content contributions are most welcome.
[1]?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_languages_of_India [2]?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttarkhand best regards Arun
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:40:43 +0530 From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikanth05@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: AANLkTimoTes0Aiar39ugb+4FBCH1x-ko0=DeGrhC6ybO@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
What does, sanskirt wikipedia have to do with social class and caste system and what not? Regards, Srikanth
On 26 February 2011 16:36, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
Hi Basavaraj (and welcome to the list!):
Arguendo, that Sanskti is socially irrelevant, why
should a Wikipedia
in that language not exist by force of action given
that one already
exists and is active? Would that not be a morally
egregious position -
to state that it should *not* exist? In my humble
view, there is a big
difference between forcefully shutting something that
is active down
and in not encouraging activity on something that is
dormant.
Also, Wikipedia in any language is not a body of work
about that
language but an encyclopedia in that language - the
two aren't really
analogous.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://social.prathambooks.org/
On 26 February 2011 16:31, Basavaraj Itnal basavarajitnal@yahoo.com wrote:
some reading on brahmanical tyranny, lack of
social relevence of
sanskrit and related topics
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Be3PCvzf-BYC&pg=PA286&lpg=PA286&a...
http://www.ambedkar.org/brahmanism/Brahmins_were_benefited_by_Muslim_Conques...
http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/sanskrit_exposure.htm
Basavaraj N Itnal
--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Arun Ramarathnam arunram25@gmail.com
wrote:
From: Arun Ramarathnam arunram25@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally
right for govts to support
sanskrit wikipedia?
To: "Wikimedia India Community list" <
wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Cc: "Basavaraj Itnal" basavarajitnal@yahoo.com Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 10:36 AM
Basavaraj, First of all, welcome to the mailing list and
thanks for you interest in
wikipedia.
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Basavaraj Itnal
<
basavarajitnal@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Till the Britsh Raj, Brahmins kept a large
part of Indian society out
of bounds from knowledge which was in Sanskrit. They
had provisions to pour
molten lead into the ears of non-brahmins (including
all women) who even
heard a word of sanskrit. knowledge contained in that
language is now
available in English and Sanskrit only symbolises
tyranny. Do we need
Wikipedia in Sanskrit with the support of govt
funding?
On you question on government support for a
specific language, it would
be inappropriate for anyone to comment on behalf of
government action. They
(govt) are probably best positioned to respond to that
query.
As a far support for wikipedia or wikipedia is
concerned, given there is
a lot of volunteer work to be done, support from any
quarters is welcome -
individuals or organisations is welcome.
The intention of this list is to connect
wikipedians and those interested
in wikipedia.
Wikipedia seeks to collate the sum total off all
knowledge and make it
available for all to use freely. That includes as many
languages as possible
including Sanskrit and Pali.
We should also bear in mind the following as
well;
- The eight schedule of the Indian constitution
lists Sanskrit as one of
the 22 languages [1]
- Sanskrit is also the official language of one
of the states of India -
Uttarkhand. [2]
- Why cannt we have a wikepedia in Pali as well,
the language which was
used by Budha and which can give us an alternate view
on life to that of
vedic view?
This has been answered by others on the list. You
are welcome to
contribute to Pali or any other language of your
choice / interest on
wikipedia.Volunteer content contributions are most
welcome.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_languages_of_India [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttarkhand best regards Arun
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