Dear Mahitgar and other Indian Wikipedians,
I am doing analysis to help support the Wikimedia strategic planning
task force on Indian language Wikipedias. I am very interested in
learning more about examples of successful online communities in Indian
languages. Some people have stated that the slow growth of an Indian
language wikipedias is due to people in the India's preference for using
English while online. However, the existence of these online
communities in Marathi that Mahitgar mentions imply that this is not the
case. It would be great if someone could help me by providing some
examples of these online communities. I would love to know what type of
content to their users create, the number of users, and any information
about their growth rate. The more understanding we have of what makes
these communities successful the better we can work to help build strong
Indian language wikipedias Anyone who could point me in the right
direction would be much thanked. I would do some of the research
myself, but unfortunately, I do not speak any Indian languages.
Thanks so much for everybody's help and participation in the strategic
planning process. You can contact me directly at
sarah.sable(a)bridgespan.org
Best,
Sarah
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:09:35 +0530 (IST)
From: Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia <mahitgar(a)yahoo.co.in>
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to ?
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If I analyse? Marathi language unicode Websites other than Marathi
Wikipedia , most of them(99%)? are drupal(cms)? based and many of them
are quite popular community discussion sites.
Many of the readers coming from such sites usualy complaint saying that
they find our(mediawiki)? brackets (over all? wiki mark up confusing).
What kind of help we can offer at wikis to new comers coming from drupal
cms? any other indian languages has got similler experiences? ?
-mahitgar
--- On Sat, 26/9/09, Sudhanwa Jogalekar <sudhanwa.com(a)gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sudhanwa Jogalekar <sudhanwa.com(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [MarathiOpenSource] Announcement: Drupal Sprint India on
October 30-31 2009
To: "Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List" <plug-mail(a)plug.org.in>,
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Date: Saturday, 26 September, 2009, 12:15 AM
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Dear all,
This is a formal announcement of Drupal Sprint India event happening
on October 30-31 2009. An event for those who love Drupal, geeks and
non-geeks alike.
Announcing Drupal Sprint India, a gathering of Drupal enthusiast from
all over India, to contribute to Drupal development.
The event is organized by Pune Linux Users Group with the support of
Bhaskaracharya Pratishthan as Venue Sponsors.
Drupal is probably the best community driven CMS in open source.
Community driven softwares need community contributions for regular
enhancements and this is your chance to contribute and gain karma.
Drupal sprint India is a two day non-stop event where Drupal
developers, documentation and translation guys will get together to
enhance Drupal. We will have code sprints, documentation sprints as
well as translation sprints.
Join coding sprints to fix patches for upcoming Drupal 7 release or to
port modules from Drupal 6 to Drupal 7 or to develop new modules from
scratch.
Join Documentation sprint to document Drupal. Documentation sprint
will be headed by Addison Berry, Drupal documentation project lead.
Those interested in localization can join the party to translate
Drupal to local languages.
You need not have *any experience* with enhancing Drupal before hand,
even newbies are invited.
That is not all, we have more in store for you.
Got any Drupal success story to share or you have put Drupal to any
innovative use or any magnificent case study where you have integrated
Drupal with third party web services or web sites? This is the time to
showcase this. Parallel to sprint, we will hold talks and workshops to
showcase the capabilities of Drupal beyond CMS to build website. If
you have a story to showcase, register for the event right ahead.
Talks/Workshop registration ends October 15 2009. All talks and
registrations submitted will go through a community voting and top 10
talks plus workshops will be chosen for the event. We plan to hold
total of 8 hours of talks and 8 hours of workshops around Drupal over
two days.
Still interested in Drupal to use it in your next big venture... Just
drop in and learn from the best Drupal brains around the country on
how to put Drupal to best use.
So click http://drupalindia2 009.plug. org.in now and register for
the event.
The event is free, registration is free. All you have to make sure
that your code is also FREE.
So, what are you waiting for? Mark your calendar for the event dates!!
Best regards,
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Dear Wikipedians,
This is to announce the next Wikipedian meetup to be held in Oct 9.
Further details can be found at the Wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Bangalore/Bangalore6
The meetups are intended to be structured as follows — Introductions, a few
focused talks by wikipedians to share experience / expertise followed by
demos and open discussions on topics of common interest.
We have some interesting talks lined up this meetup, Please do make it.
Please spread the word around and hope to see many of you there at the
meetup. We are having some good momentum going with the monthly face to face
meetups.
Regards
Arun
Bangalore, India
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Hoi,
It used to be that when you added to the localisations at translatewiki.net,
it could take months before these localisations became part of any of the
WMF projects. This is no longer the case. From now on, your localisations
will become available in a much more timely manner. Typically localisations
will become available within a day, the worst case scenario is that it will
take three days.
This has some major implications. It was found that people in languages
where the localisations of the software of the Usability Initiative did not
stick with the "beta test". This presented a problem; is this because of the
lack of localisation or is it because of cultural differences with regard to
usability. We can now ask people to help us iwith the localisation and learn
quickly where the problem is. We know that information for several scripts
is missing in the advanced toolbox. Telugu was added recently but Devangari,
Kanada, Tamil and Sinhala is still missing.
We can now really concentrate our standard localisation in one place. This
is very much wanted because it will improve our performance and it will
ensure better maintenance of our MediaWiki system messages.
It is for all these reasons that we ask you to got to translatewiki.net for
your localisations. It would be appreciated when all the messages are
compared with what has been done locally. When local messages are the same
as in translatewiki.net, they will eventually be removed by the Wikimedida
developers. When they are not the same, there will be local messages that
have missing parameters, these messages are best removed locally. Other
messages indicate things that are specific to a project these messages are
the ones that have to remain locally.
With the LocalisationUpdate being live on all our wikis, we hope and expect
that the quality of the localisations will improve. This will make it easier
for people to understand what is asked from them by our software and this
will grow our number of readers and editors. We need you to help us realise
our wish to bring information to everyone. Localisation is an important part
of making this possible.
Thanks,
GerardM
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by Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia
26 Sep '09
26 Sep '09
If I analyse Marathi language unicode Websites other than Marathi Wikipedia , most of them(99%) are drupal(cms) based and many of them are quite popular community discussion sites.
Many of the readers coming from such sites usualy complaint saying that they find our(mediawiki) brackets (over all wiki mark up confusing).
What kind of help we can offer at wikis to new comers coming from drupal cms? any other indian languages has got similler experiences?
-mahitgar
--- On Sat, 26/9/09, Sudhanwa Jogalekar <sudhanwa.com(a)gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sudhanwa Jogalekar <sudhanwa.com(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [MarathiOpenSource] Announcement: Drupal Sprint India on October 30-31 2009
To: "Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List" <plug-mail(a)plug.org.in>, "cslug" <cslug(a)yahoogroups.com>, "marathiopensource" <MarathiOpenSource(a)yahoogroups.com>, mr-wiki(a)yahoogroups.com, "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" <ilugd(a)lists.linux-delhi.org>, "Indian Linux group ," <indlinux-group(a)lists.sourceforge.net>, "ilug-goa" <ilug-goa(a)yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, 26 September, 2009, 12:15 AM
Dear all,
This is a formal announcement of Drupal Sprint India event happening
on October 30-31 2009. An event for those who love Drupal, geeks and
non-geeks alike.
Announcing Drupal Sprint India, a gathering of Drupal enthusiast from
all over India, to contribute to Drupal development.
The event is organized by Pune Linux Users Group with the support of
Bhaskaracharya Pratishthan as Venue Sponsors.
Drupal is probably the best community driven CMS in open source.
Community driven softwares need community contributions for regular
enhancements and this is your chance to contribute and gain karma.
Drupal sprint India is a two day non-stop event where Drupal
developers, documentation and translation guys will get together to
enhance Drupal. We will have code sprints, documentation sprints as
well as translation sprints.
Join coding sprints to fix patches for upcoming Drupal 7 release or to
port modules from Drupal 6 to Drupal 7 or to develop new modules from
scratch.
Join Documentation sprint to document Drupal. Documentation sprint
will be headed by Addison Berry, Drupal documentation project lead.
Those interested in localization can join the party to translate
Drupal to local languages.
You need not have *any experience* with enhancing Drupal before hand,
even newbies are invited.
That is not all, we have more in store for you.
Got any Drupal success story to share or you have put Drupal to any
innovative use or any magnificent case study where you have integrated
Drupal with third party web services or web sites? This is the time to
showcase this. Parallel to sprint, we will hold talks and workshops to
showcase the capabilities of Drupal beyond CMS to build website. If
you have a story to showcase, register for the event right ahead.
Talks/Workshop registration ends October 15 2009. All talks and
registrations submitted will go through a community voting and top 10
talks plus workshops will be chosen for the event. We plan to hold
total of 8 hours of talks and 8 hours of workshops around Drupal over
two days.
Still interested in Drupal to use it in your next big venture... Just
drop in and learn from the best Drupal brains around the country on
how to put Drupal to best use.
So click http://drupalindia2 009.plug. org.in now and register for the event.
The event is free, registration is free. All you have to make sure
that your code is also FREE.
So, what are you waiting for? Mark your calendar for the event dates!!
Best regards,
--Sudhanwa Jogalekar
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Hi everyone,
as you all may know Wikimedia is in the midst of its strategic planning
process (see http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
<http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page> for more information).
As part of this process, I have been developing a fact base on South
Asian languages and their Wikipedias. The purpose of this fact base is
to help the Wikimedia community understand the importance of South Asian
languages as they develop strategies to expand the reach of Wikimedia
worldwide, as well as to discuss the specific barriers to growth of
South Asian language projects. If any of you are also editors of the
South Asian language Wikipedias, I would really appreciate it if you
took some time to look at what I've put together and make any changes or
additions that you thought were appropriate. It would be especially
great if anyone had some thoughts or ideas to add to the section on
barriers to growth of South Asian language Wikipedias. I want to make
sure that we have the most accurate information possible to inform the
strategic plan as it is developed. This is the link
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reach/Regional_Analysis
<http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reach/Regional_Analysis> Thanks!!!
Sarah
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What
- Lecture
When Sep 19, 2009
from 05:00 PM to 07:00 PM Where Centre for Internet and Society, D-2
Third Floor, Shariff Chambers, 14 Cunningham Road, Bangalore Contact
Name Radha
Rao <radha(a)cis-india.org> Contact Phone +91 80 40926283
--
Naveen Francis
I am forwarding the discussion to
*wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org*mailing list. The wikipedians
who haven't subscribed to the Wikimedia India
mailing list can subscribe it by visiting
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l I have moved
the email addresses of all to bcc.
Let all the Indic language Wikipedians benefit from these type of
discussions. This list is one place where we can share our experiences.
<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>To move
forward, we need more co-operation from all the Indic language wikipedians
since we have many things in common.That will benefit many of us.
Thanks
Shiju Alex
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Ganesh Krishnamurthy <
ganeshkmurthy(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Why isn't the e-mail distribution list,
> wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org being used? Using that will put these
> discussions at a central place. If you are not subscribed, please visit
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l and get
> yourself subscribed.
>
> If you are going to translate the visible content on template, it does not
> matter if you change the name as well. You will not be able to overwrite the
> template anyway. You can still add interwiki links so that you let people
> know the related templates in other language wikipedias. My 2 cents.
>
> Saravask and myself tried adding a translation layer that receives values
> in English fields, but displays them in other language. It was slowing
> things down, and so we decided not to proceed with it. But it is something
> that you can be tested further. This way the English template can be copied
> over anytime and a few changes will need to be made to the the transaction
> layer.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ganesh Krishnamurthy
> User:Ganeshk
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I assume that you are talking about this template:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Rapid_transit_in_India
>>
>>
>> Yes, leave the name of the template as is. And translate all the content
>> that is visible to the user
>>
>>
>> Shiju Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>> rsrikanth05(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So, if I coy Template:Rapid Transit in India to hiwiki, I leave it with
>>> the same name?
>>>
>>> 2009/8/21 Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Mahitgar,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here is my experience.
>>>>
>>>> You can name a template according to your wish *if you have any
>>>> template that is specific to your wiki*.There is no harm in that. We
>>>> have many templates in Malayalam Wiki with localized names. None of these
>>>> templates have their counter part in English Wikipedia.
>>>>
>>>> *But*, I won't recommend using a localized name for a template if you
>>>> are copying a template from English wikipedia. You can very well localize
>>>> the contents (NOT WIKI CODES) of any template according to your wish.
>>>> Remember, a reader will see only the human readable output format of a
>>>> template, and not the name of a template or the wiki codes inside the
>>>> template.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My recommendation is, DONOT use *localized name* for templates
>>>> especially if the template is a copy of an English wikipedia template.
>>>> Localized *Template names* without the interwiki links will make the
>>>> life of a future local wiki user very very difficult.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As you might be aware, many of the templates in English Wikipedia are
>>>> related to each other. How you keep track of the changes in the templates
>>>> (English wiki templates) if the name is localized and if there are no
>>>> interwiki links added to the localized template. I might have created around
>>>> 1000 templates in Malayalam Wikipedia. But I never went back to any template
>>>> to update it nor I have added any interwiki links. If the name of the
>>>> Template is in English, any interested user can always go back and check the
>>>> same in English Wikipedia and update the same in local wiki. This type of
>>>> update has happened many times in Malayalam Wikipedia.
>>>>
>>>> As mentioned above, many templates are related to each other. So
>>>> translating the name of some templates may lead to the non working of some
>>>> other templates. Remember one or two wiki users cannot keep track of all the
>>>> templates of a wiki. Also none of the users are going to be active in wiki
>>>> forever.
>>>>
>>>> My recommendation about the translation of the content of a template is,
>>>> *translate only those content that is visible to the user. Leave the
>>>> rest of the content as it is.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Shiju Alex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia <
>>>> mahitgar(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear All
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently at Marathi language wikipedia we are working on creating
>>>>> subject wise projects like project for boatany,sport,India related articles
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> We could achive good amount of localisation(Local language
>>>>> translation) of infobox templates for the article successfully.Still is
>>>>> done as per requirement by individuals who need it and have technical
>>>>> competance to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the defficulty we are facing is localisation project templates to
>>>>> put on articles they constitute. Their rating systems etc. Besides there are
>>>>> numorous project wise templates for each project on english wikipedia.
>>>>>
>>>>> English wikipedia has got huge manpower and also more technical hands
>>>>> to create complex templates. Now at wikipedias like Marathi WIkipedia we are
>>>>> short of manpower and also enough technical exposure .I would like to know
>>>>> if any other Indian language wikipedia have tried to do so? if yes , then
>>>>> Whether you are importing/forking templates from english wikipedia , are you
>>>>> importing in bulk or as and when needed , are you keeping the english/roman
>>>>> nomanclature as is or you are translating at times and at times not, or you
>>>>> are translating it compulsory , Are you translating all the content in
>>>>> templates or you are translating it as much needed ,Are you using any bots
>>>>> if so how for which template purposes ?
>>>>>
>>>>> How Wikipedia's in your mother tounge language is coping up with
>>>>> about difficulties in localisation of templates from english wikipedia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any body knows how German/french/Japanese and Chinese wikipedias are
>>>>> coping the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can we get any smart way of doing the things and saving our time and
>>>>> energy for more valuable work on articles rather? Please let me learn from
>>>>> your experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course above subject is far mor important in little diversion to
>>>>> above subject I do have one more query
>>>>> Last but not least is I am not very conversant with how wikimedia
>>>>> india email list works. I usualy receive those messages not instantly but
>>>>> after a long time, How I do I ensure instant delivery of my message through
>>>>> list and how do i receive messages instantly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Mahitgar from Marathi Language wikipedia
>>>>>
>>>>>
Department of Mass Communications and Al Madhyam of the St. Aloysius
College, Mangalore in collaboration with Centre for Internet and
Society, Bangalore are holding a State-level Wiki-Academy in Mangalore
on 22nd August, 2009. The one-day workshop will focus on the use of
Indian languages in Wikipedia, editing and its application in academics.
Registration is free. Register before 21st August for the workshop.
Registration is open on the day of the event, as well.
Wikipedia editors will speak about the history of Wikipedia and its role
in making information freely available to people in several languages.
They will also provide hands-on training on editing and improving
articles on Wikipedia.
The talks for this edition will be presented by:
Prashanth N S (editor, English Wikipedia)
Hari Prasad Nadig (sysop, Kannada Wikipedia)
More details on the program is at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Prashanthns/Wikiconferencehttp://hpnadig.net/sites/hpnadig.net/files/WikiAcademy.pdf
(Feel free to pass this on to your friends in Mangalore)
Hoi,
The MediaWiki developers are working on the advanced toolbos that is part of
the usability initiative. At the moment there is support for several scripts
... but not for any of the scripts used in the Indic languages. This is a
good moment to consider how your scripts can be supported..
http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en-wp/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&action=…
This is where you can find the scripts currently supported in the "special
characters" part of the beta part of this wiki. You may have to create
yourself a profile and enable the advanced toolbox in the user preferences.
NB also vector is the skin of choice..
Thanks,
GerardM