WikimediaIndia-l June 2011

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[Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Help wanted: Wikimedia engineering/product hiring]
by Santhosh Thottingal 29 Jun '11

29 Jun '11

---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [Wikitech-l] Help wanted: Wikimedia engineering/product hiring From: "Erik Moeller" <erik(a)wikimedia.org> Date: Wed, June 29, 2011 7:24 am To: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello folks, we have 12 open positions in Wikimedia engineering right now, and a few more will go up in coming weeks. If you have connections, we'd appreciate your help hiring for these roles, forwarding this note to appropriate listservs, tweeting it, etc. The full listing is at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings , but here are some key roles that we need help with: 1) Product Managers: We're looking for great people to act as product owners for three very important initiatives: - New editor engagement: helping Wikimedia to attract, nurture and retain new contributors. - Analytics: supporting the development of systems and tools for measuring our impact. - Mobile: helping us reach hundreds of millions of people on mobile devices and engaging hundreds of thousands of them to contribute in useful ways. The product manager role at WMF entails grooming and prioritizing the product backlog, engaging with the Wikimedia community, commissioning and organizing research, hands-on testing, but also helping with across-the-board priorities triage for ongoing product development. These folks don't have to be product managers by trade, but they need to be comfortable negotiating compromise while holding the product vision. They need to treat engineers as equal partners, and be excellent communicators. Ideally they have strong domain expertise relevant to their focus area. We have two of these currently posted: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Product_Manager_(Features) http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Product_Manager_(Analytics) The mobile one will go up soon, and we'll refine the definition further. But please use these as reference points for now. 2) Analytics Engineers: We're hiring for two systems engineers to build out our analytics infrastructure. What exists so far is still fairly rudimentary, so we need to build scalable logging and tracking systems for various purposes, e.g. - geographic breakdown of access and editing activity - usage data for specific features; A/B testing of features - search activity, real-time editor retention measures, new activity visualizations, and more .. The ideal candidate here likely is someone who's very strong building out large scale distributed systems, and has experience with NoSQL technologies, distributed computing, etc. The relevant JD is here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Systems_Engineer_-_Data_An… 3) A strong QA Lead who can help us write and perform test plans with shoestring and duct tape, i.e. using a combination of test automation, work with outside vendors, and volunteer-driven testing to strengthen our product quality. The relevant JD is here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/QA_Lead 4) Strong frontend and backend engineers: for features development, code review, deployment and release management support, and so forth. Demonstrable open source experience is always a major plus, and while PHP is learnable, not being predisposed against it helps. :-) http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Software_Developer_Fronten… http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Software_Developer_Backend… Your outreach and support is always appreciated. All best, Erik -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Appointments to the Working Group
by Ashwin Baindur 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

It has been pointed out that while the Meta page on WikiConference India 2011 has been updated regarding a few appointments for the Working Group, this information has not been given to the community. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2011 During the first Working Group meeting held on 19 Jun 2011 at Mumbai, three functional appointments were decided upon so that the Working Group has a conventional face to present to the world. The three positions decided upon were Chair, Secretary and Treasurer. Some names for these appointments were proposed and accepted. The following were asked to carry out the functions - * Chair - Pranav Curumsey * Secretary - yours truly * Treasurer - Pradeep Mohandas As such, these are seen as working appointments only and carry no perks or status different from others in the Working Group aside from being so named. Thought you would like to know. What we do need are the good wishes and the constant support of the community at all times. Please do advice us and help us to come to important decisions. Discussions with fewer participants are less likely to have good solutions to issues than discussions with more participation. Also, the working group needs many more volunteers even now. We need people to come forth for logistics, scholarship coordination, speaker management and other so vital though unglamorous tasks. Without the solid foundation provided by these extremely important teams no program devised by the Program Team can succeed even if it were the best program in the world. So sign up today and lend a hand please. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers
by Pranesh Prakash 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

Bishakha Datta <bishakhadatta(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Very interesting; lists missing wikipedias in Indic languages too. > >Best >Bishakha > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com> >Date: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:22 AM >Subject: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers >To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > > >While preparing Missing Wikipedias [1], I've got numbers of speakers and >languages by area and country with chapter not covered by Wikipedias. > >Numbers are preliminary, some of them should be corrected. I didn't >exclude Han languages, which mostly shouldn't be counted, and similar. >Note, also, that every language should be analyzed separately. Many >languages are spoken not just inside of one country. > >Please, fix errors and comment. > >* * * > >Areas. They approximate the usual definitions of areas, but they are >different because of linguistic corrections. > >* Afro-Asiatic Area: Area where Afro-Asiatic languages are dominant. >North Africa + Middle East + Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia - Iran. >* Europe: Europe (including Caucasus) includes Turkey. >* South Asia: South Asia + Iran. Dominantly Indo-European and Dravidian >languages. >* Sub-Saharan Africa: The rest of Africa. >* Polynesia, Australia and Oceania: Includes Malaysia and Taiwan >(Taiwanese languages not covered in Wikipedias are dominantly Austronesian.) >* East Asia: Han China "China (Central)", Korea and Japan. >* South-East Asia: Includes non-Han south China "China (South)". >* Latin America: Parts of America where Spanish and Portuguese are >official languages. >* Anglo-French America: Parts of America where English, French and Dutch >are official languages. >* North Asia: Asian part of former USSR, Mongolia and non-Han northern >and western China "China (North)". > >The first column is number of speakers, the second number of languages, >the third is area. > >399259294 592 South Asia >353676706 1805 Sub-Saharan Africa >221855457 253 Afro-Asiatic Area >138979263 2198 Polynesia, Australia and Oceania >107363760 37 East Asia >99260271 447 South-East Asia >47901185 143 Europe >30361602 724 Latin America >8481452 227 Anglo-French America >3724384 45 North Asia > >* * * > >Countries with chapters. (Numbers are not fully correct, as they include >some languages removed in the list below this one.) > >If any chapter (or interested group) is interested in full list of >missing languages, I'll provide it by request before completing the >work. I suppose that some chapters are interested in languages with less >than 100K of speakers, as well. > >296,097,274 349 India >71,356,176 681 Indonesia >46,676,395 157 Philippines >7,819,010 9 Germany >7,994,871 76 Russian Federation >5,386,580 5 Serbia >4,785,299 6 South Africa >2,841,300 17 Israel >1,139,750 4 Ukraine >1,085,931 125 United States >832,000 3 Netherlands >705,967 70 Canada >472,470 1 Czech Republic >375,704 17 Taiwan >313,642 6 Chile >246,900 3 United Kingdom >200,500 4 Spain >191,430 5 Poland >151,240 7 Sweden >132,809 12 Argentina >86,390 155 Australia >50,000 1 France >30,000 1 Hungary >29,980 4 Switzerland >17,460 5 Finland >15,000 1 Portugal >10,500 2 Norway >5,000 1 Denmark >4,500 1 Estonia > >Languages with more than million or more than 100,000 of speakers >without Wikipedia and with chapter in the country: > >India (more than million) >38261000 Awadhi >34700000 Maithili >17500000 Chhattisgarhi >13000000 Magahi >13000000 Haryanvi >12800000 Deccan >10400000 Malvi >9500000 Kanauji >9000000 Dhundari >7760000 Bagheli >6970000 Varhadi-Nagpuri >6170900 Santali >6000000 Lambadi >5622600 Marwari >5000000 Mewati >4730000 Hadothi >4004490 Konkani >3900000 Merwari >3800000 Mina >3633900 Konkani, Goan >3000000 Shekhawati >3000000 Godwari >2920000 Garhwali >2680000 Indian Sign Language >2360000 Kumaoni >2110000 Dogri >2100000 Bagri >2094200 Kurux >2000000 Mewari >1970000 Sadri >1950000 Tulu >1950000 Gondi, Northern >1930000 Waddar >1710000 Wagdi >1700000 Kangri >1580000 Khandesi >1560280 Mundari >1543300 Bodo >1500000 Ho >1430000 Nimadi >1391000 Meitei >1300000 Bhili >1200000 Vasavi >1150000 Bhilali >1045000 Panjabi, Mirpur >1000000 Pahari, Mahasu > >Indonesia (more than million) >13600900 Madura >5530000 Minangkabau >3930000 Musi >3502300 Banjar >3330000 Bali >2700000 Betawi >2350000 Malay, Central >2100000 Sasak >2000000 Batak Toba >1880000 Malay, Makassar >1600000 Makasar >1200000 Batak Simalungun >1200000 Batak Dairi >1100000 Batak Mandailing >1000000 Malay, Jambi > >Philippines (more than 100k) >5770000 Hiligaynon >2500000 Bicolano, Central >1900000 Bicolano, Albay >1062000 Tausug >1000000 Maguindanao >776000 Maranao >639000 Capiznon >540000 Bontoc, Central >500000 Ibanag >395000 Inakeanon >378000 Kinaray-a >350000 Masbatenyo >345000 Surigaonon >319000 Sama, Southern >293000 Chavacano >234000 Bicolano, Iriga >200000 Romblomanon >200000 Bantoanon >185000 Sorsogon, Waray >150000 Kankanaey >150000 Blaan, Koronadal >147000 Davawenyo >140000 Subanen, Central >134000 Itawit >123000 Cuyonon >122000 Bicolano, Northern Catanduanes >111000 Ibaloi >107000 Yakan >100000 Philippine Sign Language >100000 Binukid > >Germany >4910000 Mainfränkisch >2000000 Saxon, Upper >819000 Swabian > >Russian Federation >783720 Lezgi >696630 Erzya >614000 Moksha >516490 Dargwa >499300 Adyghe >460090 Mari, Meadow >422550 Kumyk >413000 Ingush >363000 Yakut >264400 Tuva >217000 Komi-Zyrian >164420 Lak >128900 Tabassaran >113710 Balkar > >Serbia and Kosovo >4156090 Albanian, Gheg >709570 Romani, Balkan >318920 Romani, Sinte >172000 Romano-Serbian > >South Africa >4101000 Sotho, Northern >640000 Ndebele > >Israel >1762320 Yiddish, Eastern >352500 Arabic, Judeo-Tunisian >258930 Arabic, Judeo-Moroccan >110000 Bukharic >100130 Arabic, Judeo-Iraqi > >United States >600000 Hawai’i Creole English >250000 Sea Island Creole English > >Netherlands >592000 Gronings >220000 Zeeuws > >Canada >402900 Plautdietsch > >Czech Republic >472470 Romani, Carpathian > >Taiwan >138000 Amis > >Chile >300039 Mapudungun > >United Kingdom >202900 Angloromani > >Spain >102000 Spanish Sign Language > >Sweden >109600 Finnish, Tornedalen > >_______________________________________________ >foundation-l mailing list >foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > >_______________________________________________ >Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

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Wiki love to encourage users.
by Srikanth Lakshmanan 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

Hi all, English Wikipedia is expected to get this gadget enabled for all users to encourage Users pat on each other to motivate editors. Translating the initiative to Indic Wikipedia's will encourage new users motivated when people give these "awards". Tamil Wikipedia already has the older version of WikiLove in use and might soon be using the newer version. Customizing the culture is also a key, Not sure if people would love "Beer" here. http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/06/24/wikilove-an-experiment-in-appreciation/ Regards Srikanth.L

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Vote for the Conference Logo
by wheredevelsdare＠hotmail.com 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

Hiya, With the deadline for submitting LOGO designs for WikiConference lapsing today, we now request everyone to vote for the design they would like to see as the logo of WikiConference India from the eight designs submitted. Deadline for voting is 2.30PM on 29 June 2011 (48 hours from now). You see all the designs and vote here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WikiConference_India_2011#Logo Kind Regards, User:AroundTheGlobe

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Fwd: Wikimedia.in access problems on some networks
by Arjuna Rao Chavala 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

Hi, Some users have reported facing problems in accessing wikimedia.in on few networks. These were analysed to be arising from some network routing changes in the internet service providers. There is no problem with wikimedia.in site and connectivity to internet. The problems are expected to be resolved, as the routing tables updates spread through the internet routers. Cheers Arjun

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We need to decide NOW what the conference is to be called.....
by Ashwin Baindur 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

Hello friends, We need to decide by tomorrow night (21 Jun 2011) 2200 hrs IST (arbitrary, for the sake of speeding things up) as to what the conference is to be called. Four options have been listed - WikiMela, WikiConference India, WikiUtsav & Wikimania India. A few people have already voted but we want wider input just to be sure. So please add your vote at - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WikiConference_India_2011#Name As of now, WikiConference India - the default placeholder we used seems to be the winner, but we want to be pretty sure, you guys dont want a name with Indian overtones such as WikiUtsav or WikiMela. Tomorrow night at 2200 hrs, the supports for/against will be counted for each & the result announced so we can go in for the logo design. So do go & put in your vote. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------

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why use free software for making free knowledge
by Nagarjuna G 26 Jun '11

26 Jun '11

In this article written in 2004 Jimmy clarifies this frequently asked question. http://jimmywales.com/2004/10/21/free-knowledge-requires-free-software-and-… Someone reminded me of this post in another list I am subscribed. thought it is relevant in this list as well. some of the active wikimedians in India do not use free software. Hope they will migrate soon. -- GN

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FW: [cultural-partners] Monthly? Summaries
by wheredevelsdare＠hotmail.com 25 Jun '11

25 Jun '11

I think this post from the GLAM list is relevant to the India list as well [again not personally volunteering :-)]. > Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:12:48 +0100 > From: john(a)bodkinprints.co.uk > To: cultural-partners(a)wikimedia.ch > Subject: [cultural-partners] Monthly? Summaries > > Now that this list is so busy, which is great, it is a nightmare to find > anything from a while back. It would be really useful if someone > compiled a single summary of posts by month or volume, by thread, > cutting all the repetitions. I'm not volunteering, but I think it would > make the list more productive. > > Meanwhile, can someone supply the link for Magnus's new bulk upload > thingy? Thanks if so. > > Johnbod > _______________________________________________ > cultural-partners mailing list > cultural-partners(a)wikimedia.ch > http://lists.wikimedia.ch/listinfo/cultural-partners

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Fwd: Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers
by Milos Rancic 25 Jun '11

25 Jun '11

I think that it will be useful that I am subscribed to this list. Here is my answer to Vickram's questions which Bishakha resent to foundation-l. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:27:24 +0200 From: Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> On 06/25/2011 03:11 PM, Bishakha Datta wrote: > I posted this on the India list (many people are not subscribed to > foundation-l) - forwarding this question which just popped up. First of all, although numbers look fascinatingly precise, they are far from that. When you make a sum of approximations like ~1M+800k+30k+4k+700+20+ the language spoken by three individuals, you will get fascinating number 1,834,723. So, the numbers are far from being census-level precision. All of the numbers are based on Ethnologue data [1], which varies from very good to very bad approximations. Ethnologue varies even in linguistic classification a lot. (Being educated in Serbian linguistics, I know how bad the description of the South Slavic area is.) BUT, it is the best source for all languages of the world ever been made, and it gives good general picture. > [296,097,274 349 India] > > Does the population number mean that the existing indic language > wikipedias covers the rest of the population ie over 90 crore? Is > this information updated from the current census? By making a quick approximation of number of speakers of some large official languages of India [2] and not counting English, I've come to the number of ~650M and stopped counting (BTW, that includes the number of 180M of Hindi speakers from 1991; and according to the population growth in India, there should be at least 250M of Hindi speakers today). Thus, I think that ~300M more could be gathered by other languages with Wikipedias and by adjusting existing numbers for population growth. (I could make more precise calculation if needed, but I would need some time.) It should be also noted that dates of the entries in Ethnologue vary a lot and that some of them could be old 20 years or more. And, again, this should be used as very general guideline, not as a precise one. This list would be very good in telling that there are much more speakers of Awadhi than Merwari today. However, it is not good to be used for comparison of number of speakers between Awadhi and Maithili. But, anyway, that's not important. We know that we should work to cover both Awadhi and Maithili. At the other side, I will, indeed, try to make those numbers more useful (although I think that the most important usefulness is about pointing to the large populations without Wikipedias). > It is fascinating, although I think I may not have understood the > classifications. Is there only one Indian Sign Language, for > instance? I was told by a user (in the UK) that several are in use in > different parts of the country. Still, perhaps the variants do not > have sufficient numbers of users to qualify for this listing. > However, the context in which I was told was precisely the severe > lack of support materials for helping users become self-sufficient > and good communicators, so the list itself becomes a barrier. > > Unfortunately, I do not know at the moment how to fix the problem. I've checked the whole database and just one Indian Sign Language has been listed, which doesn't tell us a lot. Ethnologue entry about Indian Sign Language [3] says that it is called "Indo-Pakistani Sign Language" or "Urban Indian Sign Language". However, according to the fact that "Deaf schools mainly do not use ISL...", it could mean that dialectical divergence could be very high (thus, it could look as a number of different languages), no matter the fact that it's been used in Pakistan and Bangladesh, as well. Said so, I have to admit that my knowledge about sign languages is very limited. [1] http://www.ethnologue.com/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_with_official_status_in_India [3] http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=ins

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