Yesterday we had quite a momentous day at translatewiki.net. After a lot of
preparation our server was upgraded and we now have a much more responsive
system. It is a joy again to localise; the system is so much more
What may be of as much interest to this list is that we had someone asking
for another Indian language.
language that is written in three scripts according to Ethnologue;
Tamil, Devanagari and the Saurashtra script. At this stage we are still
getting the formalities in place; we have created a portal page and we are
at the point where we are asking for the "autonym" or the name of the
language in the language. Another question we will ask is what language will
be the fall back language.
This new language brings new opportunities to bring Indian culture and
knowledge to the Internet.
Thanks for this link. I was not aware of its existence. It will definitely
make things easier for me. I am planning to take up the geography section
first of all. Will let you all know once I prepare the scratch-pad page for
choosing Geography articles and will let you know.
This is Subhashish Panigrahi from Wiki Odia (Oriya) community. It's honor
for me to thank Junaid P V on the behalf of the whole community. Junaid has
done a really wonderful job by making both Transliteration and Inscript
Input tool for Odia language even without knowing the language, he has
patiently fixed every single bug I have reported and making the Beta version
also working perfectly. I would look forward to seeing your tool being used
by the other Wiki communities in several Indian languages.
And I hereby request the Community members of other dormant Wikipedia to
help Junaid make a Input tool for their language as well.
With respect from the whole Odia community
Wikipedia Odia (Oriya) mailing list
Many of you who are active in Indic language wikipedias know the importance
of the meta list
Few Indic wiki communities had used this list extensively to create the most
important articles in the respective wikipedas. Now more Indic wikis have
started becoming active and I am involved in the community building exercise
of some of the current inactive wikis.
One of the problem that a new wiki community face is about the priority in
the selection of articles that they want to create in the respective
wikipedia. When they ask this question, I always point them the above list
(by default that is my top priority) and also used to handpick few articles
that is relevant to that particular state or language. The issue with the
above list is that it is created from an international perspective. For many
Indic wikipedias many of the articles listed on that page is of not priority
at the early stages of wiki.
Recently few new wikipedians asked *whether a similar list is available for
India related articles*? According to my knowledge, such a list is not
available. Why can't all of us together create such a list (*List of
articles that every Indic Wikipedia should have*) so that it would be of
great help to small or current inactive Indic wikis.
Ashwin Baindur is trying to create an article list for the Indian version of
selecting India related articles. Since it is a CD we can include more
than 10,000 articles (or even more). But for the list I proposed we require
a maximum of 500 or 1000 Indian related articles. I think some of the
articles from the Indian version of Wikipedia
be reused for this list also. Requesting your help for this. The
selection of the *categories of articles* that need to be included in this
list need to be discussed. We can have the list in http://wikimedia.in/site.
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From: Shiju Alex
Date: Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:19 PM
Subject: [Wikipedia-OR] Typing solution integrated to Odia wiki
To: Oriya Wikipedia <wikipedia-or(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Cc: Junaid P V
Typing solution is developed for Odia and is integrated to Odia wikipedia.
Thanks to Junaid for his continued support to differnet Indic wiki
communities. And thanks to Subhashish for the excellent testing support.
Currently 2 solutions are integrated, *Transliteration* and *InScript*.
Kindly report the errors (if any) to Juanid.
Wikipedia-OR mailing list
A wikipedia introduction and editing session was held at SNDT Pune on 01
March 2011. Ádvance notice could not be given to other members of the Pune
wikipedian community due to short notice and yours truly being extremely
busy with academics - this is deeply regretted.
*WIKIPEDIA SESSION AT SNDT, PUNE (01 March 2011)*
The Department of Communication Media for Children, SNDT College Of Home
Science, Pune, recently organised a film workshop called "Filmi Chashma" in
conjunction with the Comet Media Foundation on the College premises. I came
to know about it from an email from Bishakha Datta, Trustee (Wikimedia
Foundation) asking Pune wikipedians to please respond to a request from
Comet Media Foundation's Chandita Mukherjee to conduct an editing session
for the particpants. The aim apparently was to get the participants, mostly
students of the department and locals of Pune, to edit in Marathi Wikipedia.
The session was to last one and a half hours and was scheduled for 01st
March 2011, a Tuesday.
Since I am the only "unemployed" member of WikiPuneri, being on a
sabbatical, while my fellow friends are busy earning their living, I agreed
to take on the assignment. I was also happy to earn some brownie points with
my spouse, an SNDT alumnus, albeit from the Mumbai college. So I happily
went to SNDT following the accurate directions given by Dr Radha Misra, HOD
and landed up in time for a sumptious mid-morning snack with the workshop
Mandar Kulkarni, our local Marathi Wikipedia enthusiast had promised to try
to make it in his lunch break but was unable to do so due to the distance
his office was from the location.
I was warmly greeted by Dr Misra and two members of Comet Media Foundation -
Lajpat Dhingra and Suresh Dhadave. We then moved to a computer lab in the
Education department. There a Ubuntu :-) laptop was connected and my
presentation materials were loaded. One of Dr Misra's colleagues, Ms Payal
Khombhadia, project officer for Filmy Chashma, introduced me and we were
The presentation began with the three-minute W10 video created by JESS3,
followed by a short presentation made by me! Which reminds me that we need
some really good presentations for introduction to newbies! Strangely, that
doesn't seem to be around! We really need improvement in this!
The presentation was followed by an editing session. We had to close on time
though people wanted to go on as another academic event was scheduled in
One of the motifs put forth was the utility of Wikipedia in the sphere of
activities of the workshop participants - children. Few people realise that
how lacking the internet is in interactivity. Wikipedia allows children,
like it does all people, to edit and the difference made to the encyclopedia
is not only tangible and highly visible; moreso, it is immediately reflected
back to the editor. This instantaneous response acts like a gratification -
a primary reason why wikipedia can be addictive. So editing in itself can be
rewarding for children, especially today when they have short attention
The important point that one should make to children is that this is one
program where you can actually change the world; by making more information
available one edit at a time.
There was not much chance to mention schools and wikipedia, or the relevant
resources on the web, as the thread of discussion drifted away to how
editors got to learn new skills through editing on Wikipedia. I was able to
mention the skills I learnt, that a lifetime of education including a B.Sc.
(PCM), B.Tech. (Electrical), M.Sc. (Defence Studies) and now an M.Phil. (Def
Studies) had not or did not teach me - namely, writing accurately,
neutrally, skilfully; with proper citation of all kinds of resources, to
avoid copyright violation; rewriting to avoid plagiarism; how to interact in
online communities; learning the niceties of English grammar, punctuation,
and issues pertaining to copy-editing and desktop publishing.
The editing session, I have found, is the most exciting for people new to
Wikipedia. People like to be shown how to edit. We looked at a typical
Wikipedia standard article, the left-hand panel links, the tabs, navigation
by links, categories and by using search. Featured content and good content
were discussed. We then edited an article first anonymously, undid it and
repeated the edit under my login. We then created a stub about the Pune
campus of the SNDT. Then we ran out of time.
Though the session was scheduled for an hour and a half, activities such as
meeting people, introductions, moving to a classroom, etc takes time and
effectively the session had lasted just about an hour. The lesson learnt is
a session needs to be at least two hours long, especially if its the only
session to be scheduled.
We then moved to the tea-room where I addressed the audience for a few
minutes, mainly acquainting them with details of activities being undertaken
by the Puneri wikipedian community, exchanging contact details and
distributing W10 swag - I am pleased to tell you that I was able to give
away twenty tee-shirts to the participants, an unlooked for treat which
brought out happy smiles of all.
I would like to close with this note - that the participants were mostly
women; there was only one male particpant and we three "faculty" guys were
male. I mentioned the gender gap and how important it was for the health of
the community that we get more women involved. After returning home, a thank
you email was sent to each participant with an invite to the
Wikimedia-IN-PUN list and to WikiPuneri group on Facebook.
My deep gratitude to Chandita Mukherjee of Comet Media Foundation and Dr
Radha Misra of SNDT College Of Home Science, Pune for giving this
opportunity to me and the WikiPuneri community.
I am pretty sure that when we announce that the easy upload facility becomes
available in Indian languages once the software is localised there will be a
friendly competition what language gets the new functionality first.
<grin> when you add a competition that showers recognition on the first
Indian photographer who uploads a new picture and gets it featured on
Commons from the date of the availability in his or her language, we will
not only gain many localisations but also potentially many photos. Many
great photos even :) </grin>
On 3 March 2011 23:29, Neil Kandalgaonkar <neilk(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> On 3/3/11 2:12 PM, Siebrand Mazeland wrote:
> > Op 03-03-11 22:25 schreef Neil Kandalgaonkar<neilk(a)wikimedia.org>:
> >> - How best to roll this out ?
> > Can the roll-out be geo based? This will allow you to slowly grow usage
> > across different countries, and make it possible to most likely get
> > feedback from for example "language X" speakers. It would get you across
> > project communities, too.
> I'm not sure I understand. What's the advantage of this? Will Germans
> use it very differently from Americans? Does a publicized "now available
> in your country" help create the nucleus of a community?
> > Another option would be a language/project based incremental deployment.
> Well, this is not slated for any Wikipedia (yet). We're focusing on
> Commons, which is in theory multilingual.
> >> - How to monitor how this changes what gets uploaded, does it increase
> >> copyvio, etc. Obviously if this starts to increase we want to pull back
> >> and reassess.
> > You have to take a "0 measurement" now to be able to compare. Define
> > critical success factors, measure, deploy, measure again. Copyvio may be
> > hard to measure (additional tools/dev/work required). Survival rate of
> > month would for example be an easier indicator.
> Our real critical success factor is increasing participation, the most
> obvious would be a simple increase in volume of work submitted that
> survives after a month.
> One worry that people have voiced is that this will increased
> *undetected* copyvio. The theory is that people who copyvio are apt to
> be dissuaded by Commons' "traps" for the unwary. I am personally really
> skeptical of that theory, but I recognize that we may be making it
> easier to get through the process for copyvio people too.
> Perhaps we need to take a sampling of photos and ... try harder to
> determine copyright? Maybe contact the uploaders in question, if
> possible, and just ask them what they thought they were doing? (I'm
> assuming most copyvio is done in good faith).
> Neil Kandalgaonkar <neilk(a)wikimedia.org>
> Commons-l mailing list
As most of you know, Odia (Oriya) is one of the first Indian language
wikipedia (created long back in *2002 June*). But till now Odia wiki is
inactive due to various reasons.
As part of reviving Odia wiki projects, an Odia wiki workshop is planned in
Bangalore this week. This is the first ever workshop happening for Odia wiki
projects. So we are expecting good participation from Odia community (who
are interested in Odia wiki projects) of Bangalore.
Here are the details of the workshop.
*Date:* : Sunday, *2011-March-06* 3:00 PM
The Centre for Internet and Society <http://cis-india.org/>
No. 194, 2nd 'C' Cross,
Domlur 2nd Stage
Opposite to Domlur Club
Bangalore 560 071
- Introduction and current status of Odia wiki projects
- Editing in Odia wikipedia, Odia typing tools, Fonts, and other related
- Discussion, Moving forward
Those of you who wish to attend this workshop kindly call on the mobile
number +91-*8050515339* or register your name on the wiki page at
Kindly spread this news among your Odia friends who are in Bangalore.