Thanks Jon. Please terminate my membership of WMUK. This is not without regret, as my own personal albeit scant interactions with Fae have been wholly positive, and WMUK has always come across as very professional in its dealings with me. But, of a group promoting the editing of Wikipedia whose chairman is banned from editing, I find my membership and indeed the nature of the arrangement itself, completely incompatible. I hope I can rejoin at a later date.
William Henderson. User:WilliamH
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WilliamH, I implore you to reconsider for the time being at least. It would benefit us all if you were to work towards getting an EGM to discuss this matter. http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_EGM_2012 If the EGM does not occur then nothing can be gained. The call has only recently gone out tonight and within a short space of time I expect that the petition will pass. Consider it a last act if the EGM does not finish to your own liking but help the membership have the discussion it needs to have given Fae's refusal to step down. I am sure others on this list unhappy with the situation would agree. Seddon Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 01:12:44 +0100 From: william.wiki.admin@gmail.com To: jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk; wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from Wikimedia UK
Thanks Jon. Please terminate my membership of WMUK. This is not without regret, as my own personal albeit scant interactions with Fae have been wholly positive, and WMUK has always come across as very professional in its dealings with me. But, of a group promoting the editing of Wikipedia whose chairman is banned from editing, I find my membership and indeed the nature of the arrangement itself, completely incompatible. I hope I can rejoin at a later date.
William Henderson. User:WilliamH
On 1 August 2012 18:50, Jon Davies, Wikimedia UK jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Dear William,
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Very well, in that case I withdraw my request and look at the possible options.
WH.
On 2 August 2012 01:20, joseph seddon life_is_bitter_sweet@hotmail.co.ukwrote:
WilliamH, I implore you to reconsider for the time being at least. It would benefit us all if you were to work towards getting an EGM to discuss this matter.
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_EGM_2012
If the EGM does not occur then nothing can be gained. The call has only recently gone out tonight and within a short space of time I expect that the petition will pass.
Consider it a last act if the EGM does not finish to your own liking but help the membership have the discussion it needs to have given Fae's refusal to step down. I am sure others on this list unhappy with the situation would agree.
Seddon
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 01:12:44 +0100 From: william.wiki.admin@gmail.com To: jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk; wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from Wikimedia UK
Thanks Jon. Please terminate my membership of WMUK. This is not without regret, as my own personal albeit scant interactions with Fae have been wholly positive, and WMUK has always come across as very professional in its dealings with me. But, of a group promoting the editing of Wikipedia whose chairman is banned from editing, I find my membership and indeed the nature of the arrangement itself, completely incompatible. I hope I can rejoin at a later date.
William Henderson. User:WilliamH
On 1 August 2012 18:50, Jon Davies, Wikimedia UK < jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Dear William,
There have recently been some articles in the media about our Chairman, Ashley Van Haeften. We have published a response to the articles on our blog, which you can view herehttps://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/administrator/components/com_civicrm/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=616&qid=180715 .
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I see that the EGM call has been closed as unsuccessful. Do calls like that have a legal expiry date based on their opening, or was it just considered stale?
WH.
On 2 August 2012 01:26, WilliamH william.wiki.admin@gmail.com wrote:
Very well, in that case I withdraw my request and look at the possible options.
WH.
On 2 August 2012 01:20, joseph seddon life_is_bitter_sweet@hotmail.co.ukwrote:
WilliamH, I implore you to reconsider for the time being at least. It would benefit us all if you were to work towards getting an EGM to discuss this matter.
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_EGM_2012
If the EGM does not occur then nothing can be gained. The call has only recently gone out tonight and within a short space of time I expect that the petition will pass.
Consider it a last act if the EGM does not finish to your own liking but help the membership have the discussion it needs to have given Fae's refusal to step down. I am sure others on this list unhappy with the situation would agree.
Seddon
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 01:12:44 +0100 From: william.wiki.admin@gmail.com To: jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk; wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from Wikimedia UK
Thanks Jon. Please terminate my membership of WMUK. This is not without regret, as my own personal albeit scant interactions with Fae have been wholly positive, and WMUK has always come across as very professional in its dealings with me. But, of a group promoting the editing of Wikipedia whose chairman is banned from editing, I find my membership and indeed the nature of the arrangement itself, completely incompatible. I hope I can rejoin at a later date.
William Henderson. User:WilliamH
On 1 August 2012 18:50, Jon Davies, Wikimedia UK < jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Dear William,
There have recently been some articles in the media about our Chairman, Ashley Van Haeften. We have published a response to the articles on our blog, which you can view herehttps://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/administrator/components/com_civicrm/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=616&qid=180715 .
If you have any questions or comments, please email our Chief Executive, Jon Davies, at jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk.
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On 6 August 2012 01:11, WilliamH william.wiki.admin@gmail.com wrote:
I see that the EGM call has been closed as unsuccessful. Do calls like that have a legal expiry date based on their opening, or was it just considered stale?
Calls like that don't have any legal meaning - the law only talks about the actual request with all the signatures being sent to the company. How you go about getting those signatures is up to you. I blanked it because it became clear it wasn't going to reach 13 signatures.
Got it.
I find it odd that Ashley grasped the incompatibility of his position before the rest of the board did, and more to the point, that they only did grasp it *after* he stepped down. Of those who signed the EGM, what are your views on that?
WH.
On 6 August 2012 01:19, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 August 2012 01:11, WilliamH william.wiki.admin@gmail.com wrote:
I see that the EGM call has been closed as unsuccessful. Do calls like
that have a legal expiry date based on their opening, or was it just considered stale?
Calls like that don't have any legal meaning - the law only talks about the actual request with all the signatures being sent to the company. How you go about getting those signatures is up to you. I blanked it because it became clear it wasn't going to reach 13 signatures.
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On 5 Aug 2012, at 18:34, WilliamH wrote:
I find it odd that Ashley grasped the incompatibility of his position before the rest of the board did, and more to the point, that they only did grasp it after he stepped down.
{{citation needed}}. I'm curious to know why you think this?
Thanks, Mike
Because the blog post response to The Daily Telegraph article wrote that "“The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his role as a Trustee of the charity."
Then again my conclusion was only an inference based on a sequence of events. I take it you still stand by that comment?
WH.
On 6 August 2012 05:10, Michael Peel michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
On 5 Aug 2012, at 18:34, WilliamH wrote:
I find it odd that Ashley grasped the incompatibility of his position before the rest of the board did, and more to the point, that they only did grasp it *after* he stepped down.
{{citation needed}}. I'm curious to know why you think this?
Thanks, Mike
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On 6 Aug 2012, at 08:11, WilliamH wrote:
Because the blog post response to The Daily Telegraph article wrote that "“The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his role as a Trustee of the charity."
Then again my conclusion was only an inference based on a sequence of events. I take it you still stand by that comment?
Indeed, his role as a trustee was, and still is, unaffected by arbcom's decision. It was his role as Chair that (sadly) became untenable.
Thanks, Mike
On 06/08/12 16:21, Michael Peel wrote:
Indeed, his role as a trustee was, and still is, unaffected by arbcom's decision. It was his role as Chair that (sadly) became untenable.
Thanks, Mike
Yes, all Trustees have to maintain standards of probity.
Gordo
If this starts into something please can you move this to private conversation rather than a public one with hundreds of people copied in please?
Thanks
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Yes, all Trustees have to maintain standards of probity.
Gordo
Could you explain that comment?
Thanks, Fae
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On Aug 6, 2012 4:39 PM, "steve virgin" steve@mediafocusuk.com wrote:
If this starts into something please can you move this to private conversation rather than a public one with hundreds of people copied in please?
Thanks
This is a matter that affects the whole chapter, so it makes sense to discuss it on the mailing list.
On 06/08/12 16:30, Fae wrote:
Yes, all Trustees have to maintain standards of probity.
Gordo
Could you explain that comment?
Thanks, Fae
I am suggesting that the Chair of a board (along with Treasurer and Secretary) should have the same standards as any other Trustee.
Gordo
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