Arkady says Wikimedia Educational Resources' records will be updated soon (go, Arkady!!). I've raised the finance/charity related things with the board, and by email with Cary and WMF, so far so good. We're also all waiting for news if Alison's bank idea shortcut works, but they probably won't have a reply this week.
Oxford sounds great. When will they be ready to come back to us?
Other stuff...
The student club idea's great, but will a research/editing club really be appealing or what would attract people and make them stick past college?
If we did seek startup donations of "a sum of your choice between £150 and £250" contingent on charity registration and say payable over 12-15 months to kickstart the charity, how many would be interested?
I've also done some work on a basic presentation for the banks before now that we could adapt, if anyone wants to start a team to work on presenting and promoting, and designing promotional material. I've got a lot of commercial experience in the conference business that might help (mostly commercial conferences and 10 years ago but I might have an odd contact from those days for organization, information and planning ideas).
Re materials, if we're researching venues and accomodation, then promotional materials helps everyone when we're pitching for support and facilities, we can put them online to get early traction for the bid. Things like theme + banners, handouts, multimedia presentations, mail-outs/leaflets can help a lot if we need to pitch to anyone and we'd need them anyway. Anyone with flash, web, marketing and promotion, or graphic design skills who wants to grab this and get the team going?
Paul Sinclair.
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What was Alison's bank idea shortcut sorry?
As I said before we'll have a definite answer from the OII in mid-September. But they're already doing quite a bit of work for us already and I'm in reasonably regular correspondence with them.
As for start up donations I imagine it would depend on what you were offering in exchange. I doubt anyone would give you £150 for nothing in return... And for lifetime membership my poll on pledgebank wasn't exactly have a resounding success (only one person other than me signed up). Lowering it to £150 and letting people pay through the year might help though. Creating a new pledge on pledgebank is the easiest way to see. Have you had confirmation from Alison that she's prepared to offer lifetime membership for £150?
Re: presentation materials, the way negotiations have progressed so far there hasn't been a massive need for them and I'm not massively convinced they'd ever be particularly appropriate. The people we're pitching too know what Wikipedia is and it takes about 30 seconds to explain what Wikimania is. (Being concise is usually a good thing.) Our credibility is established by the people we already have on board, and I imagine at meetings with large sponsors someone from the OII will rightly want to come along as well. That said we do actually have someone ([[User:Seddon]]) working on improving our presentation with various logos and (he tells me) videos in the works.
In any case your help with our bid would of course be appreciated, but perhaps in the short term the greatest help you could be to the Oxford Wikimania bid is by ensuring WMUK becomes a charity as soon as possible. If you have any specific advice or contacts you'd like to share by all means e-mail me off list though.
Thanks, and good luck in your dealings with WMF.
Tom
-----Original Message----- From: wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Businessfirst Sent: 02 August 2008 22:42 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Records & Oxford stuff
Arkady says Wikimedia Educational Resources' records will be updated soon (go, Arkady!!). I've raised the finance/charity related things with the board, and by email with Cary and WMF, so far so good. We're also all waiting for news if Alison's bank idea shortcut works, but they probably won't have a reply this week.
Oxford sounds great. When will they be ready to come back to us?
Other stuff...
The student club idea's great, but will a research/editing club really be appealing or what would attract people and make them stick past college?
If we did seek startup donations of "a sum of your choice between £150 and £250" contingent on charity registration and say payable over 12-15 months to kickstart the charity, how many would be interested?
I've also done some work on a basic presentation for the banks before now that we could adapt, if anyone wants to start a team to work on presenting and promoting, and designing promotional material. I've got a lot of commercial experience in the conference business that might help (mostly commercial conferences and 10 years ago but I might have an odd contact from those days for organization, information and planning ideas).
Re materials, if we're researching venues and accomodation, then promotional materials helps everyone when we're pitching for support and facilities, we can put them online to get early traction for the bid. Things like theme + banners, handouts, multimedia presentations, mail-outs/leaflets can help a lot if we need to pitch to anyone and we'd need them anyway. Anyone with flash, web, marketing and promotion, or graphic design skills who wants to grab this and get the team going?
Paul Sinclair.
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The logos that i have been working on will be hopefully all uploaded today, but i havn't actually finished the work regarding the logo. I have produced through a working progress approximately 18 different logos and banners for wikimania, and i have been playing around with a possible logo that users could freely use in regards to the uk wikimedia community. How these are to be used will be entirely up to everyone else. I'm simply having some fun with photoshop. I have some mroe ideas about the logo but i will start a separate thread with them. With regards to the video Tom mentioned, its something i intend working on soon but i am hoping to try and purchase some software from adobe that will enable me to do this well.
I have had experience with both basic and advanced video editing software. The first being the the bog standard windows movie maker and the advanced one being Adobe after effects and adobe premiere. The two adobe programme's are possible some of the best software on the market. Me being a student makes it a lot easier to afford those programmes via student versions, which i believe are only limited on things like not being able to produce in HD which in all honesty i don't have the hard drive capacity to be doing right now :) In numbers i can get a software package that would cost £1600 for around £280. Now i may be able to purchase this myself but if but hopefully when WMUK has money, if they would be able to cover all or prehaps even just part of the costs it would be more likely for me to be able to access it. I believe there are also non profit options that adobe which allow the use of the programmes on several computers which is also at a reduced price. The production of the video whether with or with out these programmes will take a while somewhere in the region of several weeks to build from scratch. Video production is slow and painstaking so results are slow so patience will be needed. With regards to the video, if someone with more experiance in video editting wants to do this then feel free to do it :)
Regarding the logo, please come to me on irc with any suggestions for the main reason that at the speed and amount of time at which im producing these, means suggestions are a lot more helpful in real time. If any are made on the mailing list then if they could be relayed to me i can work on them much faster. I will upload the images later today to commons and then later on but before then ill post to the list all the links to the various versions i have been working on so far that have been uploaded off wiki. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
From: thomas.holden@gmail.com> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 23:21:58 +0100> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Records & Oxford stuff> > What was Alison's bank idea shortcut sorry?> > As I said before we'll have a definite answer from the OII in mid-September.> But they're already doing quite a bit of work for us already and I'm in> reasonably regular correspondence with them.> > As for start up donations I imagine it would depend on what you were> offering in exchange. I doubt anyone would give you £150 for nothing in> return... And for lifetime membership my poll on pledgebank wasn't exactly> have a resounding success (only one person other than me signed up).> Lowering it to £150 and letting people pay through the year might help> though. Creating a new pledge on pledgebank is the easiest way to see. Have> you had confirmation from Alison that she's prepared to offer lifetime> membership for £150?> > Re: presentation materials, the way negotiations have progressed so far> there hasn't been a massive need for them and I'm not massively convinced> they'd ever be particularly appropriate. The people we're pitching too know> what Wikipedia is and it takes about 30 seconds to explain what Wikimania> is. (Being concise is usually a good thing.) Our credibility is established> by the people we already have on board, and I imagine at meetings with large> sponsors someone from the OII will rightly want to come along as well. That> said we do actually have someone ([[User:Seddon]]) working on improving our> presentation with various logos and (he tells me) videos in the works.> > In any case your help with our bid would of course be appreciated, but> perhaps in the short term the greatest help you could be to the Oxford> Wikimania bid is by ensuring WMUK becomes a charity as soon as possible. If> you have any specific advice or contacts you'd like to share by all means> e-mail me off list though.> > Thanks, and good luck in your dealings with WMF.> > Tom> > -----Original Message-----> From: wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org> [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of> Businessfirst> Sent: 02 August 2008 22:42> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Records & Oxford stuff> > Arkady says Wikimedia Educational Resources' records will be updated soon> (go, Arkady!!). I've raised the finance/charity related things with the> board, and by email with Cary and WMF, so far so good. We're also all> waiting for news if Alison's bank idea shortcut works, but they probably> won't have a reply this week.> > Oxford sounds great. When will they be ready to come back to us?> > Other stuff...> > The student club idea's great, but will a> research/editing club really be appealing or what would attract people> and make them stick past college?> > If we did seek startup donations of "a sum of your choice between £150 and> £250" contingent on charity> registration and say payable over 12-15 months to kickstart the charity, how> many would be> interested?> > I've also done some work on a basic presentation for the banks before now> that we could adapt, if anyone wants to start a team to work on presenting> and promoting, and designing promotional material. I've got a lot of> commercial experience in the conference business that might help (mostly> commercial conferences and 10 years ago but I might have an odd contact from> those days for organization, information and planning ideas).> > Re materials, if we're researching venues and accomodation, then promotional> materials helps everyone when we're pitching for support and facilities, we> can put them online to get early traction for the bid. Things like theme +> banners, handouts, multimedia> presentations, mail-outs/leaflets can help a lot if we need to> pitch to anyone and we'd need them anyway. Anyone with flash, web, marketing> and promotion, or graphic design skills who wants to grab this and get the> team going?> > > Paul Sinclair.> > > __________________________________________________________> Not happy with your email address?.> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now> at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html%3E > > _______________________________________________> Wikimedia UK mailing list> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK%3E http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l%3E > > _______________________________________________> Wikimedia UK mailing list> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK%3E http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
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Im not sure paying for commercial closed source software is really necessary at this point. There are plenty of open source alternatives:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_editing_software#Free_.2F_Open_So urce_Software
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open_source_software_packages#Video_edi ting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_editing_software
http://freshmeat.net/browse/256/
http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat=256
This one seems to be the preferred bit of software for videos for MediaWikis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaltura
Tom
From: wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of joseph seddon Sent: 03 August 2008 15:29 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Records & Oxford stuff
The logos that i have been working on will be hopefully all uploaded today, but i havn't actually finished the work regarding the logo. I have produced through a working progress approximately 18 different logos and banners for wikimania, and i have been playing around with a possible logo that users could freely use in regards to the uk wikimedia community. How these are to be used will be entirely up to everyone else. I'm simply having some fun with photoshop. I have some mroe ideas about the logo but i will start a separate thread with them. With regards to the video Tom mentioned, its something i intend working on soon but i am hoping to try and purchase some software from adobe that will enable me to do this well.
I have had experience with both basic and advanced video editing software. The first being the the bog standard windows movie maker and the advanced one being Adobe after effects and adobe premiere. The two adobe programme's are possible some of the best software on the market. Me being a student makes it a lot easier to afford those programmes via student versions, which i believe are only limited on things like not being able to produce in HD which in all honesty i don't have the hard drive capacity to be doing right now :) In numbers i can get a software package that would cost £1600 for around £280. Now i may be able to purchase this myself but if but hopefully when WMUK has money, if they would be able to cover all or prehaps even just part of the costs it would be more likely for me to be able to access it. I believe there are also non profit options that adobe which allow the use of the programmes on several computers which is also at a reduced price. The production of the video whether with or with out these programmes will take a while somewhere in the region of several weeks to build from scratch. Video production is slow and painstaking so results are slow so patience will be needed. With regards to the video, if someone with more experiance in video editting wants to do this then feel free to do it :)
Regarding the logo, please come to me on irc with any suggestions for the main reason that at the speed and amount of time at which im producing these, means suggestions are a lot more helpful in real time. If any are made on the mailing list then if they could be relayed to me i can work on them much faster. I will upload the images later today to commons and then later on but before then ill post to the list all the links to the various versions i have been working on so far that have been uploaded off wiki. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
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From: thomas.holden@gmail.com To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 23:21:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Records & Oxford stuff
What was Alison's bank idea shortcut sorry?
As I said before we'll have a definite answer from the OII in
mid-September.
But they're already doing quite a bit of work for us already and I'm in reasonably regular correspondence with them.
As for start up donations I imagine it would depend on what you were offering in exchange. I doubt anyone would give you £150 for nothing in return... And for lifetime membership my poll on pledgebank wasn't exactly have a resounding success (only one person other than me signed up). Lowering it to £150 and letting people pay through the year might help though. Creating a new pledge on pledgebank is the easiest way to see.
Have
you had confirmation from Alison that she's prepared to offer lifetime membership for £150?
Re: presentation materials, the way negotiations have progressed so far there hasn't been a massive need for them and I'm not massively convinced they'd ever be particularly appropriate. The people we're pitching too
know
what Wikipedia is and it takes about 30 seconds to explain what Wikimania is. (Being concise is usually a good thing.) Our credibility is
established
by the people we already have on board, and I imagine at meetings with
large
sponsors someone from the OII will rightly want to come along as well.
That
said we do actually have someone ([[User:Seddon]]) working on improving
our
presentation with various logos and (he tells me) videos in the works.
In any case your help with our bid would of course be appreciated, but perhaps in the short term the greatest help you could be to the Oxford Wikimania bid is by ensuring WMUK becomes a charity as soon as possible.
If
you have any specific advice or contacts you'd like to share by all means e-mail me off list though.
Thanks, and good luck in your dealings with WMF.
Tom
-----Original Message----- From: wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Businessfirst Sent: 02 August 2008 22:42 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Records & Oxford stuff
Arkady says Wikimedia Educational Resources' records will be updated soon (go, Arkady!!). I've raised the finance/charity related things with the board, and by email with Cary and WMF, so far so good. We're also all waiting for news if Alison's bank idea shortcut works, but they probably won't have a reply this week.
Oxford sounds great. When will they be ready to come back to us?
Other stuff...
The student club idea's great, but will a research/editing club really be appealing or what would attract people and make them stick past college?
If we did seek startup donations of "a sum of your choice between £150 and £250" contingent on charity registration and say payable over 12-15 months to kickstart the charity,
how
many would be interested?
I've also done some work on a basic presentation for the banks before now that we could adapt, if anyone wants to start a team to work on presenting and promoting, and designing promotional material. I've got a lot of commercial experience in the conference business that might help (mostly commercial conferences and 10 years ago but I might have an odd contact
from
those days for organization, information and planning ideas).
Re materials, if we're researching venues and accomodation, then
promotional
materials helps everyone when we're pitching for support and facilities,
we
can put them online to get early traction for the bid. Things like theme + banners, handouts, multimedia presentations, mail-outs/leaflets can help a lot if we need to pitch to anyone and we'd need them anyway. Anyone with flash, web,
marketing
and promotion, or graphic design skills who wants to grab this and get the team going?
Paul Sinclair.
Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available
now
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Hi all,
I have a meeting arranged with the Oxford Trust for 3PM on Monday at Science Oxford, (the Oxford Trust building on St. Clements).
If anyone is around and would like to come along that'd be great. (Contact me off list if you're interested.)
Tom
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