Re: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mailing_lists/Guidelines#Second_attempt_...
Based on a thread I started at Wikimedia-l, the above general guideline for email list moderation is being improved above, ensuring better transparency of list moderation. I am hoping that Wikimediauk-l will adopt this as best practice. Please do take part on meta if you have some thoughts about improvement.
I have been moderated on this list for quite a while now, I guess it will be forever unless a guideline for appeals is adopted. My moderation was not started for any post on this list, the explanation I had from David, was that he personally did not like my posts to Wikimedia-l and so responded by moderating me here (I have never been moderated on any other list than this one).
A key disadvantage to moderation is that my emails to this regularly take 2 days to get posted, so I am not inclined to take part in any active discussion - instead I just post off-list or have used Wikimedia-l or one of the other lists that volunteers interested in the same projects as me take part in. I have never had an email not get posted, they just confusingly appear "pre-dated" as if they were posted when I sent them. Of course there are advantages in spending more time in other places rather than a UK centric email list, so it's swings and roundabouts.
Fae -- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
You're on moderation because you have (a) moderated your posting behaviour here, where you are on moderation (b) continued to post in this manner elsewhere, where you are not on moderation.
This strongly suggests that moderation is the only thing keeping your posting behaviour acceptable.
Remember that the actual point is to make the list not toxic. So far, it appears moderation is doing that job.
I have noted that I am not personally inclined to remove the moderation, but that if any other moderator did I wouldn't object. So far none have done so, and instead have concurred with the above analysis.
Nobody has a right to post to this list. But so far every post you've made while on moderation has gone through.
- d.
On 23 July 2014 11:41, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Re: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mailing_lists/Guidelines#Second_attempt_...
Based on a thread I started at Wikimedia-l, the above general guideline for email list moderation is being improved above, ensuring better transparency of list moderation. I am hoping that Wikimediauk-l will adopt this as best practice. Please do take part on meta if you have some thoughts about improvement.
I have been moderated on this list for quite a while now, I guess it will be forever unless a guideline for appeals is adopted. My moderation was not started for any post on this list, the explanation I had from David, was that he personally did not like my posts to Wikimedia-l and so responded by moderating me here (I have never been moderated on any other list than this one).
A key disadvantage to moderation is that my emails to this regularly take 2 days to get posted, so I am not inclined to take part in any active discussion - instead I just post off-list or have used Wikimedia-l or one of the other lists that volunteers interested in the same projects as me take part in. I have never had an email not get posted, they just confusingly appear "pre-dated" as if they were posted when I sent them. Of course there are advantages in spending more time in other places rather than a UK centric email list, so it's swings and roundabouts.
Fae
faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Creating a set of moderation guidelines to cover the few people on moderation on this list is not really an efficient use of my time. I would imagine most people feel the same way.
Dan
On 24 July 2014 10:57, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
You're on moderation because you have (a) moderated your posting behaviour here, where you are on moderation (b) continued to post in this manner elsewhere, where you are not on moderation.
This strongly suggests that moderation is the only thing keeping your posting behaviour acceptable.
Remember that the actual point is to make the list not toxic. So far, it appears moderation is doing that job.
I have noted that I am not personally inclined to remove the moderation, but that if any other moderator did I wouldn't object. So far none have done so, and instead have concurred with the above analysis.
Nobody has a right to post to this list. But so far every post you've made while on moderation has gone through.
- d.
On 23 July 2014 11:41, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Re:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mailing_lists/Guidelines#Second_attempt_...
Based on a thread I started at Wikimedia-l, the above general guideline for email list moderation is being improved above, ensuring better transparency of list moderation. I am hoping that Wikimediauk-l will adopt this as best practice. Please do take part on meta if you have some thoughts about improvement.
I have been moderated on this list for quite a while now, I guess it will be forever unless a guideline for appeals is adopted. My moderation was not started for any post on this list, the explanation I had from David, was that he personally did not like my posts to Wikimedia-l and so responded by moderating me here (I have never been moderated on any other list than this one).
A key disadvantage to moderation is that my emails to this regularly take 2 days to get posted, so I am not inclined to take part in any active discussion - instead I just post off-list or have used Wikimedia-l or one of the other lists that volunteers interested in the same projects as me take part in. I have never had an email not get posted, they just confusingly appear "pre-dated" as if they were posted when I sent them. Of course there are advantages in spending more time in other places rather than a UK centric email list, so it's swings and roundabouts.
Fae
faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
On 26/07/2014, Dan Garry (Deskana) djgwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Creating a set of moderation guidelines to cover the few people on moderation on this list is not really an efficient use of my time. I would imagine most people feel the same way.
That is why the one on meta is being discussed. It can be a general non-controversial default of good practice and expected transparency.
Fae
wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org