Hi all
Thanks for your contributions and discussions on here this week. It's clear that as an organisation we need to reflect on how we're engaging with the volunteer community, and there has already been quite a lot of internal discussion about this over the past few months. I would encourage you, if you can, to attend the meeting on 30th January to help develop our next three year strategy; however please be assured that in the draft version I'm working on (based on the 2018 board away day, and to give us a starting point for discussions) there is a greater focus on both volunteers and technology, which of course underpin all of our activities.
I'm sorry that the issue about recent changes and watchlists on the main Wiki has not yet been resolved. Our technical contractor has been working to debug this however he has not yet been successful and needs more time to try to ascertain and address the problem. Obviously if anyone has any practical suggestions of what the issue might be and how it could be fixed then please feel free to get in touch :)
As some of you know, Wikimedia UK has worked with the support of two technical contractors - both from the Wikimedia community - for a number of years, however one of them had to step away from the role in September and it has taken a little time to find a replacement (although we have now done so). This means that the remaining contractor (Tom Morton) has been working on his own, and we have needed to try to prioritise his workload. In the past few months we have undertaken quite a big, although not outwardly visible, technical project, which has been to migrate all of our websites to new host servers. In doing this, we needed to employ a specialist consultancy to upgrade and migrate the Wikimedia CiviCRM installation such that it could be moved onto the new hosting platform, which has been a high priority for us as CiviCRM is so central to our work with volunteers, members and donors on a day-to-day basis. Tom has worked with the consultancy on this but has also been required to fix a number of other issues including QRpedia (which still has some bugs), the Board Wiki, and problems with MediaWiki and the visual editor. I'm not trying to excuse the fact that there are still unresolved technical issues, just to put this into context and explain what else has been going on in the past month or so.
Chris, you asked what concrete actions we are putting into place to ensure this doesn't happen again. These include the appointment of another technical contractor who will support Tom in resolving outstanding and urgent technical issues in the short term, but in the medium term will also work with us and the community to identify our priorities going forward. In the next few weeks, Davina and I are also meeting with several board members to scope out the charity's technical ambitions (which I hope we will also discuss on 30th), and in December I submitted a provisional budget to the board for 2019/20, with a view to presenting an updated budget at the March meeting that supports these plans. There is more to do, of course, but hopefully these things will all make a positive difference.
Thanks and best wishes Lucy
Thanks Lucy, for your positive response to the issues raised recently.
On the technology front, I'm sure I'm not speaking out of turn when I say that I'd like to see something like the old Technology Committee revived to give volunteers a defined channel for communication with the Board and Staff, and also to encourage volunteers to give their time and expertise to help address technical issues and to expand our technical capacity in the future.
To that end, I'd like to survey informally what skills participants on this list would be willing to bring to help WMUK's technology programme. It would be also very helpful if those who would be keen to help re-establish some sort of Tech Committee could express their interest.
It doesn't matter whether you're just interested in tech or a seasoned developer - all offers are welcome. Any takers?
--
Doug
On 11 January 2019 at 16:19 Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all Thanks for your contributions and discussions on here this week. It's clear that as an organisation we need to reflect on how we're engaging with the volunteer community, and there has already been quite a lot of internal discussion about this over the past few months. I would encourage you, if you can, to attend the meeting on 30th January to help develop our next three year strategy; however please be assured that in the draft version I'm working on (based on the 2018 board away day, and to give us a starting point for discussions) there is a greater focus on both volunteers and technology, which of course underpin all of our activities. I'm sorry that the issue about recent changes and watchlists on the main Wiki has not yet been resolved. Our technical contractor has been working to debug this however he has not yet been successful and needs more time to try to ascertain and address the problem. Obviously if anyone has any practical suggestions of what the issue might be and how it could be fixed then please feel free to get in touch :) As some of you know, Wikimedia UK has worked with the support of two technical contractors - both from the Wikimedia community - for a number of years, however one of them had to step away from the role in September and it has taken a little time to find a replacement (although we have now done so). This means that the remaining contractor (Tom Morton) has been working on his own, and we have needed to try to prioritise his workload. In the past few months we have undertaken quite a big, although not outwardly visible, technical project, which has been to migrate all of our websites to new host servers. In doing this, we needed to employ a specialist consultancy to upgrade and migrate the Wikimedia CiviCRM installation such that it could be moved onto the new hosting platform, which has been a high priority for us as CiviCRM is so central to our work with volunteers, members and donors on a day-to-day basis. Tom has worked with the consultancy on this but has also been required to fix a number of other issues including QRpedia (which still has some bugs), the Board Wiki, and problems with MediaWiki and the visual editor. I'm not trying to excuse the fact that there are still unresolved technical issues, just to put this into context and explain what else has been going on in the past month or so. Chris, you asked what concrete actions we are putting into place to ensure this doesn't happen again. These include the appointment of another technical contractor who will support Tom in resolving outstanding and urgent technical issues in the short term, but in the medium term will also work with us and the community to identify our priorities going forward. In the next few weeks, Davina and I are also meeting with several board members to scope out the charity's technical ambitions (which I hope we will also discuss on 30th), and in December I submitted a provisional budget to the board for 2019/20, with a view to presenting an updated budget at the March meeting that supports these plans. There is more to do, of course, but hopefully these things will all make a positive difference. Thanks and best wishes Lucy -- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762 Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/ Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
I'll guess I'll start this off then -
I'm Lewis (and I go by Lcawte in most online spaces), I own ShoutWiki.com, which is a wiki farm powered by MediaWiki. I've been involved in the MediaWiki sphere on and off for a while, I have a few lines of really not very important code running in MediaWiki core, and some other bits in our closed source codebase. Seasoned members of the chapter/list may remember me from that slightly over budget "hackathon" I ran when I was a teenager in... 2011?
I am (and where necessary, the small team I work with at ShoutWiki) happy to lend a hand with any MediaWiki related issues in whatever capacity. I can probably lend an ear to other chapter related tech things.
I'm a bit out of the loop on chapter business - not even sure I've got a current membership - but feel free to drop me an email offlist if there's anything I can do to help!
-- Lewis Cawte
On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 at 16:46 Rex X rexx@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
Thanks Lucy, for your positive response to the issues raised recently.
On the technology front, I'm sure I'm not speaking out of turn when I say that I'd like to see something like the old Technology Committee revived to give volunteers a defined channel for communication with the Board and Staff, and also to encourage volunteers to give their time and expertise to help address technical issues and to expand our technical capacity in the future.
To that end, I'd like to survey informally what skills participants on this list would be willing to bring to help WMUK's technology programme. It would be also very helpful if those who would be keen to help re-establish some sort of Tech Committee could express their interest.
It doesn't matter whether you're just interested in tech or a seasoned developer - all offers are welcome. Any takers?
--
Doug
On 11 January 2019 at 16:19 Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi all
Thanks for your contributions and discussions on here this week. It's clear that as an organisation we need to reflect on how we're engaging with the volunteer community, and there has already been quite a lot of internal discussion about this over the past few months. I would encourage you, if you can, to attend the meeting on 30th January to help develop our next three year strategy; however please be assured that in the draft version I'm working on (based on the 2018 board away day, and to give us a starting point for discussions) there is a greater focus on both volunteers and technology, which of course underpin all of our activities.
I'm sorry that the issue about recent changes and watchlists on the main Wiki has not yet been resolved. Our technical contractor has been working to debug this however he has not yet been successful and needs more time to try to ascertain and address the problem. Obviously if anyone has any practical suggestions of what the issue might be and how it could be fixed then please feel free to get in touch :)
As some of you know, Wikimedia UK has worked with the support of two technical contractors - both from the Wikimedia community - for a number of years, however one of them had to step away from the role in September and it has taken a little time to find a replacement (although we have now done so). This means that the remaining contractor (Tom Morton) has been working on his own, and we have needed to try to prioritise his workload. In the past few months we have undertaken quite a big, although not outwardly visible, technical project, which has been to migrate all of our websites to new host servers. In doing this, we needed to employ a specialist consultancy to upgrade and migrate the Wikimedia CiviCRM installation such that it could be moved onto the new hosting platform, which has been a high priority for us as CiviCRM is so central to our work with volunteers, members and donors on a day-to-day basis. Tom has worked with the consultancy on this but has also been required to fix a number of other issues including QRpedia (which still has some bugs), the Board Wiki, and problems with MediaWiki and the visual editor. I'm not trying to excuse the fact that there are still unresolved technical issues, just to put this into context and explain what else has been going on in the past month or so.
Chris, you asked what concrete actions we are putting into place to ensure this doesn't happen again. These include the appointment of another technical contractor who will support Tom in resolving outstanding and urgent technical issues in the short term, but in the medium term will also work with us and the community to identify our priorities going forward. In the next few weeks, Davina and I are also meeting with several board members to scope out the charity's technical ambitions (which I hope we will also discuss on 30th), and in December I submitted a provisional budget to the board for 2019/20, with a view to presenting an updated budget at the March meeting that supports these plans. There is more to do, of course, but hopefully these things will all make a positive difference.
Thanks and best wishes Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762 <+44%2020%203372%200762>
*Wikimedia UK* is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Hi Lewis
Thank you for volunteering your tech skills, I'm sure they'll be very helpful. I'm not really involved in the tech side of things, but just checked your membership and can say yes it has expired. Feel free to contact me or membership@wikimedia.org.uk (which gets directed to me) for any member related questions. Thought I'd let you, and anyone else on this list who thinks their membership has expired, that you can sign up again on this page https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Membership.
Many thanks
Katie
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 19:00, Lewis Cawte lewiscawte@googlemail.com wrote:
I'll guess I'll start this off then -
I'm Lewis (and I go by Lcawte in most online spaces), I own ShoutWiki.com, which is a wiki farm powered by MediaWiki. I've been involved in the MediaWiki sphere on and off for a while, I have a few lines of really not very important code running in MediaWiki core, and some other bits in our closed source codebase. Seasoned members of the chapter/list may remember me from that slightly over budget "hackathon" I ran when I was a teenager in... 2011?
I am (and where necessary, the small team I work with at ShoutWiki) happy to lend a hand with any MediaWiki related issues in whatever capacity. I can probably lend an ear to other chapter related tech things.
I'm a bit out of the loop on chapter business - not even sure I've got a current membership - but feel free to drop me an email offlist if there's anything I can do to help!
-- Lewis Cawte
On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 at 16:46 Rex X rexx@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
Thanks Lucy, for your positive response to the issues raised recently.
On the technology front, I'm sure I'm not speaking out of turn when I say that I'd like to see something like the old Technology Committee revived to give volunteers a defined channel for communication with the Board and Staff, and also to encourage volunteers to give their time and expertise to help address technical issues and to expand our technical capacity in the future.
To that end, I'd like to survey informally what skills participants on this list would be willing to bring to help WMUK's technology programme. It would be also very helpful if those who would be keen to help re-establish some sort of Tech Committee could express their interest.
It doesn't matter whether you're just interested in tech or a seasoned developer - all offers are welcome. Any takers?
--
Doug
On 11 January 2019 at 16:19 Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi all
Thanks for your contributions and discussions on here this week. It's clear that as an organisation we need to reflect on how we're engaging with the volunteer community, and there has already been quite a lot of internal discussion about this over the past few months. I would encourage you, if you can, to attend the meeting on 30th January to help develop our next three year strategy; however please be assured that in the draft version I'm working on (based on the 2018 board away day, and to give us a starting point for discussions) there is a greater focus on both volunteers and technology, which of course underpin all of our activities.
I'm sorry that the issue about recent changes and watchlists on the main Wiki has not yet been resolved. Our technical contractor has been working to debug this however he has not yet been successful and needs more time to try to ascertain and address the problem. Obviously if anyone has any practical suggestions of what the issue might be and how it could be fixed then please feel free to get in touch :)
As some of you know, Wikimedia UK has worked with the support of two technical contractors - both from the Wikimedia community - for a number of years, however one of them had to step away from the role in September and it has taken a little time to find a replacement (although we have now done so). This means that the remaining contractor (Tom Morton) has been working on his own, and we have needed to try to prioritise his workload. In the past few months we have undertaken quite a big, although not outwardly visible, technical project, which has been to migrate all of our websites to new host servers. In doing this, we needed to employ a specialist consultancy to upgrade and migrate the Wikimedia CiviCRM installation such that it could be moved onto the new hosting platform, which has been a high priority for us as CiviCRM is so central to our work with volunteers, members and donors on a day-to-day basis. Tom has worked with the consultancy on this but has also been required to fix a number of other issues including QRpedia (which still has some bugs), the Board Wiki, and problems with MediaWiki and the visual editor. I'm not trying to excuse the fact that there are still unresolved technical issues, just to put this into context and explain what else has been going on in the past month or so.
Chris, you asked what concrete actions we are putting into place to ensure this doesn't happen again. These include the appointment of another technical contractor who will support Tom in resolving outstanding and urgent technical issues in the short term, but in the medium term will also work with us and the community to identify our priorities going forward. In the next few weeks, Davina and I are also meeting with several board members to scope out the charity's technical ambitions (which I hope we will also discuss on 30th), and in December I submitted a provisional budget to the board for 2019/20, with a view to presenting an updated budget at the March meeting that supports these plans. There is more to do, of course, but hopefully these things will all make a positive difference.
Thanks and best wishes Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762 <+44%2020%203372%200762>
*Wikimedia UK* is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
I am also out of the loop when it comes to the chapter but am a Wikimedia / Mediawiki / Wikidata developer & deployer. I'm sure I can be of help, although I will be away for a considerable amount of 2019.
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 10:18, Katie Crampton < katie.crampton@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Lewis
Thank you for volunteering your tech skills, I'm sure they'll be very helpful. I'm not really involved in the tech side of things, but just checked your membership and can say yes it has expired. Feel free to contact me or membership@wikimedia.org.uk (which gets directed to me) for any member related questions. Thought I'd let you, and anyone else on this list who thinks their membership has expired, that you can sign up again on this page https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Membership.
Many thanks
Katie
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 19:00, Lewis Cawte lewiscawte@googlemail.com wrote:
I'll guess I'll start this off then -
I'm Lewis (and I go by Lcawte in most online spaces), I own ShoutWiki.com, which is a wiki farm powered by MediaWiki. I've been involved in the MediaWiki sphere on and off for a while, I have a few lines of really not very important code running in MediaWiki core, and some other bits in our closed source codebase. Seasoned members of the chapter/list may remember me from that slightly over budget "hackathon" I ran when I was a teenager in... 2011?
I am (and where necessary, the small team I work with at ShoutWiki) happy to lend a hand with any MediaWiki related issues in whatever capacity. I can probably lend an ear to other chapter related tech things.
I'm a bit out of the loop on chapter business - not even sure I've got a current membership - but feel free to drop me an email offlist if there's anything I can do to help!
-- Lewis Cawte
On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 at 16:46 Rex X rexx@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
Thanks Lucy, for your positive response to the issues raised recently.
On the technology front, I'm sure I'm not speaking out of turn when I say that I'd like to see something like the old Technology Committee revived to give volunteers a defined channel for communication with the Board and Staff, and also to encourage volunteers to give their time and expertise to help address technical issues and to expand our technical capacity in the future.
To that end, I'd like to survey informally what skills participants on this list would be willing to bring to help WMUK's technology programme. It would be also very helpful if those who would be keen to help re-establish some sort of Tech Committee could express their interest.
It doesn't matter whether you're just interested in tech or a seasoned developer - all offers are welcome. Any takers?
--
Doug
On 11 January 2019 at 16:19 Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi all
Thanks for your contributions and discussions on here this week. It's clear that as an organisation we need to reflect on how we're engaging with the volunteer community, and there has already been quite a lot of internal discussion about this over the past few months. I would encourage you, if you can, to attend the meeting on 30th January to help develop our next three year strategy; however please be assured that in the draft version I'm working on (based on the 2018 board away day, and to give us a starting point for discussions) there is a greater focus on both volunteers and technology, which of course underpin all of our activities.
I'm sorry that the issue about recent changes and watchlists on the main Wiki has not yet been resolved. Our technical contractor has been working to debug this however he has not yet been successful and needs more time to try to ascertain and address the problem. Obviously if anyone has any practical suggestions of what the issue might be and how it could be fixed then please feel free to get in touch :)
As some of you know, Wikimedia UK has worked with the support of two technical contractors - both from the Wikimedia community - for a number of years, however one of them had to step away from the role in September and it has taken a little time to find a replacement (although we have now done so). This means that the remaining contractor (Tom Morton) has been working on his own, and we have needed to try to prioritise his workload. In the past few months we have undertaken quite a big, although not outwardly visible, technical project, which has been to migrate all of our websites to new host servers. In doing this, we needed to employ a specialist consultancy to upgrade and migrate the Wikimedia CiviCRM installation such that it could be moved onto the new hosting platform, which has been a high priority for us as CiviCRM is so central to our work with volunteers, members and donors on a day-to-day basis. Tom has worked with the consultancy on this but has also been required to fix a number of other issues including QRpedia (which still has some bugs), the Board Wiki, and problems with MediaWiki and the visual editor. I'm not trying to excuse the fact that there are still unresolved technical issues, just to put this into context and explain what else has been going on in the past month or so.
Chris, you asked what concrete actions we are putting into place to ensure this doesn't happen again. These include the appointment of another technical contractor who will support Tom in resolving outstanding and urgent technical issues in the short term, but in the medium term will also work with us and the community to identify our priorities going forward. In the next few weeks, Davina and I are also meeting with several board members to scope out the charity's technical ambitions (which I hope we will also discuss on 30th), and in December I submitted a provisional budget to the board for 2019/20, with a view to presenting an updated budget at the March meeting that supports these plans. There is more to do, of course, but hopefully these things will all make a positive difference.
Thanks and best wishes Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762 <+44%2020%203372%200762>
*Wikimedia UK* is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
--
Katie Crampton
Membership, Fundraising and Operations Assistant
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0)203 372 0761
*Wikimedia UK* is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ https://maps.google.com/?q=5+-+11+Lavington+Street,+London+SE1+0NZ&entry=gmail&source=g .
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
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Thanks Adam, I will let you know what we need help with.
John Lubbock
Communications Coordinator
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 203 372 0767
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Wikimedia UK is the national chapter of the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia UK? Donate here https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk.
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 12:32, Addshore addshorewiki@gmail.com wrote:
I am also out of the loop when it comes to the chapter but am a Wikimedia / Mediawiki / Wikidata developer & deployer. I'm sure I can be of help, although I will be away for a considerable amount of 2019.
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 10:18, Katie Crampton < katie.crampton@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Lewis
Thank you for volunteering your tech skills, I'm sure they'll be very helpful. I'm not really involved in the tech side of things, but just checked your membership and can say yes it has expired. Feel free to contact me or membership@wikimedia.org.uk (which gets directed to me) for any member related questions. Thought I'd let you, and anyone else on this list who thinks their membership has expired, that you can sign up again on this page https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Membership.
Many thanks
Katie
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 19:00, Lewis Cawte lewiscawte@googlemail.com wrote:
I'll guess I'll start this off then -
I'm Lewis (and I go by Lcawte in most online spaces), I own ShoutWiki.com, which is a wiki farm powered by MediaWiki. I've been involved in the MediaWiki sphere on and off for a while, I have a few lines of really not very important code running in MediaWiki core, and some other bits in our closed source codebase. Seasoned members of the chapter/list may remember me from that slightly over budget "hackathon" I ran when I was a teenager in... 2011?
I am (and where necessary, the small team I work with at ShoutWiki) happy to lend a hand with any MediaWiki related issues in whatever capacity. I can probably lend an ear to other chapter related tech things.
I'm a bit out of the loop on chapter business - not even sure I've got a current membership - but feel free to drop me an email offlist if there's anything I can do to help!
-- Lewis Cawte
On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 at 16:46 Rex X rexx@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
Thanks Lucy, for your positive response to the issues raised recently.
On the technology front, I'm sure I'm not speaking out of turn when I say that I'd like to see something like the old Technology Committee revived to give volunteers a defined channel for communication with the Board and Staff, and also to encourage volunteers to give their time and expertise to help address technical issues and to expand our technical capacity in the future.
To that end, I'd like to survey informally what skills participants on this list would be willing to bring to help WMUK's technology programme. It would be also very helpful if those who would be keen to help re-establish some sort of Tech Committee could express their interest.
It doesn't matter whether you're just interested in tech or a seasoned developer - all offers are welcome. Any takers?
--
Doug
On 11 January 2019 at 16:19 Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi all
Thanks for your contributions and discussions on here this week. It's clear that as an organisation we need to reflect on how we're engaging with the volunteer community, and there has already been quite a lot of internal discussion about this over the past few months. I would encourage you, if you can, to attend the meeting on 30th January to help develop our next three year strategy; however please be assured that in the draft version I'm working on (based on the 2018 board away day, and to give us a starting point for discussions) there is a greater focus on both volunteers and technology, which of course underpin all of our activities.
I'm sorry that the issue about recent changes and watchlists on the main Wiki has not yet been resolved. Our technical contractor has been working to debug this however he has not yet been successful and needs more time to try to ascertain and address the problem. Obviously if anyone has any practical suggestions of what the issue might be and how it could be fixed then please feel free to get in touch :)
As some of you know, Wikimedia UK has worked with the support of two technical contractors - both from the Wikimedia community - for a number of years, however one of them had to step away from the role in September and it has taken a little time to find a replacement (although we have now done so). This means that the remaining contractor (Tom Morton) has been working on his own, and we have needed to try to prioritise his workload. In the past few months we have undertaken quite a big, although not outwardly visible, technical project, which has been to migrate all of our websites to new host servers. In doing this, we needed to employ a specialist consultancy to upgrade and migrate the Wikimedia CiviCRM installation such that it could be moved onto the new hosting platform, which has been a high priority for us as CiviCRM is so central to our work with volunteers, members and donors on a day-to-day basis. Tom has worked with the consultancy on this but has also been required to fix a number of other issues including QRpedia (which still has some bugs), the Board Wiki, and problems with MediaWiki and the visual editor. I'm not trying to excuse the fact that there are still unresolved technical issues, just to put this into context and explain what else has been going on in the past month or so.
Chris, you asked what concrete actions we are putting into place to ensure this doesn't happen again. These include the appointment of another technical contractor who will support Tom in resolving outstanding and urgent technical issues in the short term, but in the medium term will also work with us and the community to identify our priorities going forward. In the next few weeks, Davina and I are also meeting with several board members to scope out the charity's technical ambitions (which I hope we will also discuss on 30th), and in December I submitted a provisional budget to the board for 2019/20, with a view to presenting an updated budget at the March meeting that supports these plans. There is more to do, of course, but hopefully these things will all make a positive difference.
Thanks and best wishes Lucy
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 16:19, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I would encourage you, if you can, to attend the meeting on 30th January to help develop our next three year strategy
Can we have an update on that, please?
Tom has ... been required to fix a number of other issues including QRpedia (which still has some bugs)
I've just been told (in a tweet also addressed to Wikimedia UK) that http://qrpedia.org/ is down (i.e. timing out) again.
Have you got a link to the tweet; it seems to be working fine?
Tom
On Sun, 3 Feb 2019, 20:33 Andy Mabbett <andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 16:19, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I would encourage you, if you can, to attend the meeting on 30th January to help develop our next three year strategy
Can we have an update on that, please?
Tom has ... been required to fix a number of other issues including QRpedia (which still has some bugs)
I've just been told (in a tweet also addressed to Wikimedia UK) that http://qrpedia.org/ is down (i.e. timing out) again.
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 21:30, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Have you got a link to the tweet; it seems to be working fine?
Still timing out for me, just now.
Tweet is:
https://twitter.com/MonsieurBraun/status/1092043317725020161
Hi Andy
Thanks for letting me know about Qrpedia - I'll make sure Davina and Tom are aware.
Many thanks to those who came to the meeting last Wednesday. I've been unwell since then and am unlikely to be in the office for the next few days but will follow up as soon as I can.
Cheers Lucy
On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 20:34, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 16:19, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I would encourage you, if you can, to attend the meeting on 30th January to help develop our next three year strategy
Can we have an update on that, please?
Tom has ... been required to fix a number of other issues including QRpedia (which still has some bugs)
I've just been told (in a tweet also addressed to Wikimedia UK) that http://qrpedia.org/ is down (i.e. timing out) again.
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On 03/02/2019 20:32, Andy Mabbett wrote:
I've just been told (in a tweet also addressed to Wikimedia UK) that http://qrpedia.org/ is down (i.e. timing out) again.
I'm seeing two A records for qrpedia.org ... not even sure if that works? but they are both pointing to amazon ...
Hi all, QRpedia seems to be working for me. The only problem appears to be a problem recognising codes generated for articles with apostrophes in them.
John Lubbock
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 12:41, Lester Caine lester@lsces.co.uk wrote:
On 03/02/2019 20:32, Andy Mabbett wrote:
I've just been told (in a tweet also addressed to Wikimedia UK) that http://qrpedia.org/ is down (i.e. timing out) again.
I'm seeing two A records for qrpedia.org ... not even sure if that works? but they are both pointing to amazon ...
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It’s a http vs https configuration issue: https://qrpedia.org https://qrpedia.org/ works http://qrpedia.org http://qrpedia.org/ does not work.
Thanks, Mike
On 5 Feb 2019, at 09:56, John Lubbock john.lubbock@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all, QRpedia seems to be working for me. The only problem appears to be a problem recognising codes generated for articles with apostrophes in them. John Lubbock
Communications Coordinator
Wikimedia UK
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 12:41, Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk mailto:lester@lsces.co.uk> wrote: On 03/02/2019 20:32, Andy Mabbett wrote:
I've just been told (in a tweet also addressed to Wikimedia UK) that http://qrpedia.org/ http://qrpedia.org/ is down (i.e. timing out) again.
I'm seeing two A records for qrpedia.org http://qrpedia.org/ ... not even sure if that works? but they are both pointing to amazon ...
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 20:32, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
I've just been told (in a tweet also addressed to Wikimedia UK) that http://qrpedia.org/ is down (i.e. timing out) again.
Still timing out.
This is a (supposedly) live, public-facing service.
Hi Andy,
I think someone pointed out the other day that it's only when you use http://qrpedia.org/ that it has problems. If people use https://qrpedia.org/, it seems to work fine. I haven't seen the tweet, but maybe you can let the relevant people know?
Best wishes,
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-----Original Message----- From: Wikimediauk-l wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Andy Mabbett Sent: 08 February 2019 11:31 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK Wiki
On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 20:32, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
I've just been told (in a tweet also addressed to Wikimedia UK) that https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fqrpedia.or... is down (i.e. timing out) again.
Still timing out.
This is a (supposedly) live, public-facing service.
On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:56, Delphine Dallison d.dallison@scottishlibraries.org wrote:
I think someone pointed out the other day that it's only when you use http://qrpedia.org/ that it has problems. If people use https://qrpedia.org/, it seems to work fine.
That is indeed the case; but the http:// version is supposed to work, too.
I haven't seen the tweet, but maybe you can let the relevant people know?
The http:// version and the bare "qrpedia.org" are linked to by many external websites; and are no doubt also in print sources. This affects more than just the one person who tweeted.
The bare "qrpedia.org" works fine too as it redirects to the https version. I'm not sure what the solution is for the http version, other than redirecting people towards using https.
Best wishes,
Delphine Dallison Wikimedian in Residence Scottish Library and Information Council Turnberry House Suite 5:5, Fifth Floor 175 West George Street Glasgow G2 2LB Tel: 0141 202 2999 www.scottishlibraries.org
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-----Original Message----- From: Wikimediauk-l wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Andy Mabbett Sent: 08 February 2019 12:12 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK Wiki
On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:56, Delphine Dallison d.dallison@scottishlibraries.org wrote:
I think someone pointed out the other day that it's only when you use https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fqrpe dia.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cd.dallison%40scottishlibraries.org%7C15f0d578f8544576d12b08d68dbeb69e%7C6414ad35a3824075ab2600ed2b7adb76%7C1%7C0%7C636852247581273168&sdata=jLbZX%2BBD5HO24FMps%2BRzAQ3kSUKDZO7yEWQSggc%2BqiQ%3D&reserved=0 that it has problems. If people use https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fqrpedia.o..., it seems to work fine.
That is indeed the case; but the http:// version is supposed to work, too.
I haven't seen the tweet, but maybe you can let the relevant people know?
The http:// version and the bare "qrpedia.org" are linked to by many external websites; and are no doubt also in print sources. This affects more than just the one person who tweeted.
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 12:23, Delphine Dallison d.dallison@scottishlibraries.org wrote:
The bare "qrpedia.org" works fine too as it redirects to the https version.
Not here; for me it resolves as http://qrpedia.org/ and times out.
On 08/02/2019 13:14, Andy Mabbett wrote:
The bare "qrpedia.org" works fine too as it redirects to the https version.
Not here; for me it resolves as http://qrpedia.org/ and times out.
With browsers now 'doing their own thing' in relation to sites that do not default to https these days it's a bit of a roll of the dice just what using the raw domain gets forwarded to from the sending end. At least the pigging annoying 'this site is not secure' messages have been curtailed somewhat but doesn't chrome now complain? I rolled back firefox until they 'repaired' that ... http is still perfectly acceptable for simple public information sites?
The bottom line is that the handing of the domain needs fixing so that http://qrpedia.org/ and probably http://www.qrpedia.org/ both forward to https://qrpedia.org/ to get around the various 'default' ways browsers handle 'qrpedia.org' ...
Hi Andy (et al).
Jo and I are looking at this and trying to sort it out. Its taking a bit of time to fully debug and resolve this - but we are hopeful to share progress soon.
Sorry that this issue is persisting; its obviously not a good situation and we want to get it fixed.
Tom
On Fri, 8 Feb 2019, 12:12 Andy Mabbett <andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:56, Delphine Dallison d.dallison@scottishlibraries.org wrote:
I think someone pointed out the other day that it's only when you use http://qrpedia.org/ that it has problems. If people use https://qrpedia.org/, it seems to work fine.
That is indeed the case; but the http:// version is supposed to work, too.
I haven't seen the tweet, but maybe you can let the relevant people know?
The http:// version and the bare "qrpedia.org" are linked to by many external websites; and are no doubt also in print sources. This affects more than just the one person who tweeted.
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2019, 12:12 Andy Mabbett <andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:56, Delphine Dallison d.dallison@scottishlibraries.org wrote:
I think someone pointed out the other day that it's only when you use http://qrpedia.org/ that it has problems. If people use https://qrpedia.org/, it seems to work fine.
That is indeed the case; but the http:// version is supposed to work, too.
I haven't seen the tweet, but maybe you can let the relevant people know?
The http:// version and the bare "qrpedia.org" are linked to by many external websites; and are no doubt also in print sources. This affects more than just the one person who tweeted.
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 12:28, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Jo and I are looking at this and trying to sort it out. Its taking a bit of time to fully debug and resolve this - but we are hopeful to share progress soon.
Another month has passed; could we have an update, please?
A set of questions about issues with QRpedia has just been raised on Facebook, in this thread in the "Wikipedia weekly" group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/2053710054676815/
Can someone from Wikimedia UK respond there, too, please?
On 04 March 2019 at 20:41 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 12:28, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Jo and I are looking at this and trying to sort it out. Its taking a bit of time to fully debug and resolve this - but we are hopeful to share progress soon.
Another month has passed; could we have an update, please?
Looks like this request is a perennial. Having gone over the ground recently with the developer tasked with QRpedia, I'm able to give the following summary.
(1) There is essentially no documentation. (2) There have been numerous patches in the past. (3) The code on GitHub is not the working code. (4) There was a holdup on an access, which has now been granted.
The whole situation clearly must be rectified. Simply pushing for more of (2) is not the professional answer. (1) needs fixed. (3) needs fixed with a README.
For more context: the way leading browsers operate has changed over time.
HTH.
Charles
Is there an update on the wiki issues?
Is anyone able to provide a quick overview on hours/chapter funds spent/billed on both the QRpedia and UK wiki issues?
I know first hand how time consuming hunting and fixing bugs can be, but, it was mid-January when I and others offered support with the MediaWiki issue. I find it hard to believe it's taking this long to track this down.
-- Lewis Cawte
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019, 09:16 Charles Matthews, charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
On 04 March 2019 at 20:41 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 12:28, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com
wrote:
Jo and I are looking at this and trying to sort it out. Its taking a
bit of time to fully
debug and resolve this - but we are hopeful to share progress soon.
Another month has passed; could we have an update, please?
Looks like this request is a perennial. Having gone over the ground recently with the developer tasked with QRpedia, I'm able to give the following summary.
(1) There is essentially no documentation. (2) There have been numerous patches in the past. (3) The code on GitHub is not the working code. (4) There was a holdup on an access, which has now been granted.
The whole situation clearly must be rectified. Simply pushing for more of (2) is not the professional answer. (1) needs fixed. (3) needs fixed with a README.
For more context: the way leading browsers operate has changed over time.
HTH.
Charles
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