On 30 January 2012 14:59, Lodewijk &lt;lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org <mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>> wrote: A categorization project sounds great, but should probably not be called 'wiki loves monuments' to avoid confusion. Mmmm, yes, how about "UK Wikimedians are not entirely indifferent to proper subcategorisation of photos (outdoor or in) on a vaguely monumental theme". That could get them queuing round the block. Charles _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

UK Wikimedians are not entirely indifferent to proper subcategorisation of photos (outdoor or in) on a vaguely monumental theme - lol Well that was a useful push at the linits of what is possible as I knew you thought that the rules were flexible. I'm feeling on this thread that we need to know why we are gathering more pics when we have so many. One appeal in WLM was to see the blip of new users on commons that WLM delivered. I only offer the categorisation project because that is where we have a large backlog. I know the category model is tricky but surely its a problem we cannot allow newbies to ignore? Otherwise our categorisation problems gets worse.  We are saying that we should ask people to take pictures of things that we don't have pictures of ..... but we have no idea which things we don't have pictures of. What would you say were the main benefits of WLM. to the UK given that we do have thousands and thousands of photos that are uncategorised? On 30 January 2012 14:59, Lodewijk &lt;lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org&gt; wrote: -- Roger Bamkin Chair WMUK 01332 702993 0758 2020815 Google+:Victuallers Skype:Victuallers1 Flickr:Victuallers2 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Hi Roger, I think there are indeed a few things that characterize a 'Wiki Loves Monuments' - amongst those is, that it is a photo competition about monuments :) Hence, if categorizing would be the main activity, it would make a lot more sense indeed to find a different name. It would have nothing to do any more with 'flexible rules', but rather an entirely different concept. Which doesn't make it a bad idea though. Wiki Loves Monuments is a great way to get quite good quality pictures of monumental buildings. Even though you have many uncategorized images, there are definitely going to be many locations still without a good quality picture. At the same time, a big benefit is that you make a large group of people (especially amateur photographers) aware that Wikipedia is editable, which gives you an opportunity (not a garantuee) that they can be persuaded to stick around. Additionally it is a nice opportunity to work together with a different kind of partners, but I understand that you have no scarcity there. As far as I know, Maarten is currently trying to run a lot of the categorization automated, and that seems to be going well although it will take quite a while before it is finished. But yes, you will have definitely to ask yourself the question whether you want to run this competition at all. Most Wikipedians I heard so far on this topic seem indeed to be mainly worried about categorization, and find that of the most importance (please correct me when I'm wrong). Just don't get the impression that this potential audience that is out there (heritage enthusiasts, photographers) which you might be able to motivate for Wiki Loves Monuments, will be similarly interested in a 'categorization contest'. So far, I have met 1 non-Wikipedian interested in categorization. Ever. And he was only interested because he once did a paper or something on the topic :) So to put it simple: there is an opportunity to run a Wiki Loves Monuments in the UK. I personally think it is a great thing to do, and am happy to assist in any way possible to help you get it organized. But in the end, the enthusiasm and effort have to come from UK volunteers. I am not a categorization magician, so I can unfortunately not make that problem go away for you - even though I have tried to pull some strings and get other people take a look at it. Running a categorization contest/event for the Wikipedians (because other people are unlikely to be interested) before the start of Wiki Loves Monuments sounds like a great idea, because the two can potentially reinforce each other. Imho mixing the two up would make things complicated, and weaken both ideas. With kind regards, Lodewijk No dia 30 de Janeiro de 2012 17:22, Roger Bamkin &lt;victuallers(a)gmail.com&gt;escreveucreveu: *UK Wikimedians are not entirely indifferent to proper subcategorisation _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Hi Roger, I think there are indeed a few things that characterize a 'Wiki Loves Monuments' - amongst those is, that it is a photo competition about monuments :) Hence, if categorizing would be the main activity, it would make a lot more sense indeed to find a different name. It would have nothing to do any more with 'flexible rules', but rather an entirely different concept. Which doesn't make it a bad idea though. Wiki Loves Monuments is a great way to get quite good quality pictures of monumental buildings. Even though you have many uncategorized images, there are definitely going to be many locations still without a good quality picture. At the same time, a big benefit is that you make a large group of people (especially amateur photographers) aware that Wikipedia is editable, which gives you an opportunity (not a garantuee) that they can be persuaded to stick around. Additionally it is a nice opportunity to work together with a different kind of partners, but I understand that you have no scarcity there. As far as I know, Maarten is currently trying to run a lot of the categorization automated, and that seems to be going well although it will take quite a while before it is finished. But yes, you will have definitely to ask yourself the question whether you want to run this competition at all. Most Wikipedians I heard so far on this topic seem indeed to be mainly worried about categorization, and find that of the most importance (please correct me when I'm wrong). Just don't get the impression that this potential audience that is out there (heritage enthusiasts, photographers) which you might be able to motivate for Wiki Loves Monuments, will be similarly interested in a 'categorization contest'. So far, I have met 1 non-Wikipedian interested in categorization. Ever. And he was only interested because he once did a paper or something on the topic :) So to put it simple: there is an opportunity to run a Wiki Loves Monuments in the UK. I personally think it is a great thing to do, and am happy to assist in any way possible to help you get it organized. But in the end, the enthusiasm and effort have to come from UK volunteers. I am not a categorization magician, so I can unfortunately not make that problem go away for you - even though I have tried to pull some strings and get other people take a look at it. Running a categorization contest/event for the Wikipedians (because other people are unlikely to be interested) before the start of Wiki Loves Monuments sounds like a great idea, because the two can potentially reinforce each other. Imho mixing the two up would make things complicated, and weaken both ideas. With kind regards, Lodewijk No dia 30 de Janeiro de 2012 17:22, Roger Bamkin &lt;victuallers(a)gmail.com&gt;escreveucreveu: *UK Wikimedians are not entirely indifferent to proper subcategorisation _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

On 3 February 2012 16:40, WereSpielChequers &lt;werespielchequers(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Morris and One between if backlog I'm wondering if anyone wants to join in with a proposal to have one Wikimania session in DC as a skills sharing thing? Or how we would convince the Wikimania organisers that we need less pontificating and more training? ;-) -- Tom Morris <http://tommorris.org/> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org