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geni

4 Jul 2012 4 Jul '12

8:51 p.m.

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Roger Bamkin

5 Jul 5 Jul

12:04 a.m.

Hmm that does look fun ..... and useful. Make a case? On 4 July 2012 18:51, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Kickstarter project has got their money: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openrov/openrov-the-open-source-underwa… If they manage to create a marketable product could WMUK be persuaded to buy one? There are wrecks and marine life we need pics of and I hate messing around with air cylinders. -- geni _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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e-mail freezetag

2:22 a.m.

Alternatively, get WMUK to buy a nice camera and an underwater housing. Let me know which wrecks & critters you want photographed. Much easier. Any of these of use: http://www.metropolis2.co.uk/Frutti/ ? -- Rexx On 4 July 2012 22:04, Roger Bamkin <victuallers(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hmm that does look fun ..... and useful. Make a case? On 4 July 2012 18:51, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Fae

8:40 a.m.

I still think it is logical to start with establishing a photography interest group, with a series of open knowledge projects supported by Wikimedia UK, and then have the interest group advising as to budget and propose kit we might have an a (WMDE style) loaner library. At the moment we have yet to even fork out 15 quid on a cheap but effective portable light box; as nobody has actually followed through and proposed it. Cheers, Fae

Andy Mabbett

3:18 p.m.

On 5 July 2012 06:40, Fae <faenwp(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I still think it is logical to start with establishing a photography interest group

It might be worth talking to Peter Weis in Haburg; he's involed in a similar project for WikimediaDE. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

Fae

3:36 p.m.

On 5 July 2012 13:18, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

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On 5 July 2012 06:40, Fae <faenwp(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I still think it is logical to start with establishing a photography interest group

It might be worth talking to Peter Weis in Haburg; he's involed in a similar project for WikimediaDE.

Peter and I have long been in contact. He regularly lobbies me in this area. :-D Fae

Richard Symonds

3:40 p.m.

One of the problems with this is that the ROV doesn't quite exist yet. Cost would presumably be £500+ ish, and I think it's an awesome project, but it really does need a proposal (with justifications, approximate costs, possible uses) to be made to the board. We also need to ask how much the upkeep would be, and if there's anyone in the community who can look after the thing! Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk On 5 July 2012 13:18, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

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On 5 July 2012 06:40, Fae <faenwp(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I still think it is logical to start with establishing a photography interest group

It might be worth talking to Peter Weis in Haburg; he's involed in a similar project for WikimediaDE. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Roger Bamkin

11:56 p.m.

I think there is some second guessing going on here so I'll have my guess at what Geni wants to do. It is possible to not want to dive or to take pictures .... but to get involved in this as an open source project. If that was the case then it may still hold water (sorry). As Richard notes, we'd need more of a description to say yae/nae. Question I'd ask myself is would this be gathering dust under somebody,s bed? However we do have difficulty in finding good projects to fund.... can you describe one to us? R On 5 July 2012 13:40, Richard Symonds <richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk>wrote;wrote:

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On 5 July 2012 06:40, Fae <faenwp(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I still think it is logical to start with establishing a photography interest group

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geni

6 Jul 6 Jul

1:28 a.m.

On 5 July 2012 21:56, Roger Bamkin <victuallers(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Well at this point they are fully funded so not much to do other than wait and see if they produce an actual product

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As Richard notes, we'd need more of a description to say yae/nae. Question I'd ask myself is would this be gathering dust under somebody,s bed?

Under a pile of paperwork more likely. Sure things like HMS Hazard can be dived without permission but more interesting stuff would generally require working with a respected archaeological group or university. That said an ROV might get around the ban on HMS Hood (1891). I can think of a few other targets but my knowledge of wrecks is limited to the solent area. In terms of marine life while thats not really my area I assume there must be something on the basis that you can get reasonable results just sticking a waterproof camera in a rock pool. I admit better restults could probably be obtained in areas with near surface coral.

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However we do have difficulty in finding good projects to fund.... can you describe one to us?

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Random_ideas -- geni

Thomas Morton

1:34 a.m.

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Given that this particular ROV (exciting as it is) can only reach 100m those seem unlikely prospects :) Tom

Richard Symonds

1:42 a.m.

Hood (1891) is sunk across the breakwaters at Portland Harbour. It's visible from the shore :-) Hazard is in the English Channel, although neither are dived very often. Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On Jul 5, 2012 11:34 PM, "Thomas Morton" <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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Under a pile of paperwork more likely. Sure things like HMS Hazard can

be dived without permission but more interesting stuff would generally require working with a respected archaeological group or university. That said an ROV might get around the ban on HMS Hood (1891).

Given that this particular ROV (exciting as it is) can only reach 100m those seem unlikely prospects :) Tom _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

geni

1:54 a.m.

On 5 July 2012 23:34, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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Given that this particular ROV (exciting as it is) can only reach 100m those seem unlikely prospects :)

They are within range. Things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurgam are also in range but paperwork heavy. Unfortunately the Darwin Mounds would be out of range by a factor of about 10. On the other hand it should be possible to get a video of a vendace from Loch Skene. -- geni

Thomas Morton

2:03 a.m.

On 5 July 2012 23:42, Richard Symonds <richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk>wrote;wrote:

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Hood (1891) is sunk across the breakwaters at Portland Harbour. It's visible from the shore :-) Hazard is in the English Channel, although neither are dived very often.

Ah, was thinking of the wrong Hood :) Tom

WereSpielChequers

12:42 p.m.

I like the idea of a ROV or an underwater camera. Presumably the advantage of an ROV is that it could go deeper? I've no idea about the relative costs and capabilities of such devices, but I was wondering if it had such technology available, would the charity be willing to lend it to underwater Archaeologists on condition that they release the resulting images on Commons? I suspect there is a big potential opportunity here for the charity to partner with Academia. Especially Biologists and Archaeologists. As well as the underwater stuff where to be honest conditions are not always ideal for photography, has the technology of micro blimps yet got to the point where we could buy a machine that could fly inside large buildings and take photos at otherwise impossible vantage points? If so we should consider talking to English Heritage, the National Trust or the C of E. WSC On 5 July 2012 13:18, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

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On 5 July 2012 06:40, Fae <faenwp(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I still think it is logical to start with establishing a photography interest group

geni

7 Jul 7 Jul

1:49 a.m.

On 6 July 2012 10:42, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I like the idea of a ROV or an underwater camera. Presumably the advantage of an ROV is that it could go deeper?

Not at the consumer level we are looking at. If you want something with deep sea abilities about the only way to do it would be to offer serious grant money to someone who already operates one in return for CC release of images and data. The reality is that everything the ROV mentioned at the start of the thread could do a diver could do better (possible exception is loiter time and even then that could be matched with an airline). I just don't like messing around with air bottles.

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As well as the underwater stuff where to be honest conditions are not always ideal for photography, has the technology of micro blimps yet got to the point where we could buy a machine that could fly inside large buildings and take photos at otherwise impossible vantage points? If so we should consider talking to English Heritage, the National Trust or the C of E.

Quadcopter/camera combinations are available for a few thousand. Less than the cost of a high end DSLR. -- geni

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