BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can talk about this, for tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email me and I'll forward you the email.
- d.
Hi all
Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be great if someone could talk about this from an editor's perspective - in particular the process of consensus building within the Wikipedia community, as it's clear many people working in the media don't understand this. If someone does respond to you directly, please could you let me know?
The office has had a flood of emails and phone calls which we've been fielding as best as we can. I'm hoping that when San Francisco wakes up and comes online they will send me their statement on the issue, which would help to deal with enquiries.
All best Lucy
On 9 February 2017 at 13:38, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can talk about this, for tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email me and I'll forward you the email.
- d.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Usual line is "editorial decision, I'll forward your details to some editors" then email here ;-D
sooooo er, editors?
On 9 February 2017 at 13:45, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all
Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be great if someone could talk about this from an editor's perspective - in particular the process of consensus building within the Wikipedia community, as it's clear many people working in the media don't understand this. If someone does respond to you directly, please could you let me know?
The office has had a flood of emails and phone calls which we've been fielding as best as we can. I'm hoping that when San Francisco wakes up and comes online they will send me their statement on the issue, which would help to deal with enquiries.
All best Lucy
On 9 February 2017 at 13:38, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can talk about this, for tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email me and I'll forward you the email.
- d.
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Hmmm, trying to turn an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!" round to "actually this is all normal and we have some really interesting community preferences" sounds.... tricky. ;)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Usual line is "editorial decision, I'll forward your details to some editors" then email here ;-D
sooooo er, editors?
On 9 February 2017 at 13:45, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all
Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be great if someone could talk about this from an editor's perspective - in
particular
the process of consensus building within the Wikipedia community, as it's clear many people working in the media don't understand this. If someone does respond to you directly, please could you let me know?
The office has had a flood of emails and phone calls which we've been fielding as best as we can. I'm hoping that when San Francisco wakes up
and
comes online they will send me their statement on the issue, which would help to deal with enquiries.
All best Lucy
On 9 February 2017 at 13:38, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can talk about this, for tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email me and I'll forward you the email.
- d.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
--
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Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 207 065 0991
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
4LT.
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The
Wikimedia
projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia,
amongst
other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with
no
legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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That is literally what the task is, yes :-)
On 9 February 2017 at 15:41, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hmmm, trying to turn an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!" round to "actually this is all normal and we have some really interesting community preferences" sounds.... tricky. ;)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Usual line is "editorial decision, I'll forward your details to some editors" then email here ;-D
sooooo er, editors?
On 9 February 2017 at 13:45, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all
Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be great if someone could talk about this from an editor's perspective - in
particular
the process of consensus building within the Wikipedia community, as
it's
clear many people working in the media don't understand this. If someone does respond to you directly, please could you let me know?
The office has had a flood of emails and phone calls which we've been fielding as best as we can. I'm hoping that when San Francisco wakes up
and
comes online they will send me their statement on the issue, which would help to deal with enquiries.
All best Lucy
On 9 February 2017 at 13:38, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can talk about this, for tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email me and I'll forward you the email.
- d.
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4LT.
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The
Wikimedia
projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia,
amongst
other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with
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compare - * not right-wing-ness - e.g. the Times and Telegraph are both serious papers that lean right * in fact - The Sun is not OK and the Times is, even though same politics and same publisher, because one's a tabloid and one's a serious paper * memorise the long lists of egregious falsehoods brought up in the RFC, recite in a calm voice while smiling
On 9 February 2017 at 15:45, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
That is literally what the task is, yes :-)
On 9 February 2017 at 15:41, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hmmm, trying to turn an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!" round to "actually this is all normal and we have some really interesting community preferences" sounds.... tricky. ;)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Usual line is "editorial decision, I'll forward your details to some editors" then email here ;-D
sooooo er, editors?
On 9 February 2017 at 13:45, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all
Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be great if someone could talk about this from an editor's perspective - in
particular
the process of consensus building within the Wikipedia community, as
it's
clear many people working in the media don't understand this. If
someone
does respond to you directly, please could you let me know?
The office has had a flood of emails and phone calls which we've been fielding as best as we can. I'm hoping that when San Francisco wakes
up and
comes online they will send me their statement on the issue, which
would
help to deal with enquiries.
All best Lucy
On 9 February 2017 at 13:38, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can talk about this, for tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email me and I'll forward you the email.
- d.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
--
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Chief Executive
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 207 065 0991
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England
and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.
Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
4LT.
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The
Wikimedia
projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia,
amongst
other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity
with no
legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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And NB that none of the 12,000 links to the Mail from Wikipedia have been removed yet by the "ban", and they will be reviewed and possibly replaced one-by-one, just like we review every other contribution..... (If the "ban" in fact remains in force - I have a suspicion the RfC won't be the last word on the subject!)
Which leaves the question of "why blacklist the Daily Mail not even worse sources?" If anyone can suggest an answer to that which would keep a journo happy I'd be interested to hear it .... ;)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:47 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
compare -
- not right-wing-ness - e.g. the Times and Telegraph are both serious
papers that lean right
- in fact - The Sun is not OK and the Times is, even though same politics
and same publisher, because one's a tabloid and one's a serious paper
- memorise the long lists of egregious falsehoods brought up in the RFC,
recite in a calm voice while smiling
On 9 February 2017 at 15:45, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
That is literally what the task is, yes :-)
On 9 February 2017 at 15:41, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hmmm, trying to turn an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!" round to "actually this is all normal and we have some really interesting community preferences" sounds.... tricky. ;)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Usual line is "editorial decision, I'll forward your details to some editors" then email here ;-D
sooooo er, editors?
On 9 February 2017 at 13:45, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all
Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be great if someone could talk about this from an editor's perspective - in
particular
the process of consensus building within the Wikipedia community, as
it's
clear many people working in the media don't understand this. If
someone
does respond to you directly, please could you let me know?
The office has had a flood of emails and phone calls which we've been fielding as best as we can. I'm hoping that when San Francisco wakes
up and
comes online they will send me their statement on the issue, which
would
help to deal with enquiries.
All best Lucy
On 9 February 2017 at 13:38, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can talk about this, for tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email me and I'll forward you the email.
- d.
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and
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Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London
EC2A 4LT.
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The
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The answer is "well yes, a lot of those are under the same consideration, sources that are even worse tend not to be disputed as to being obviously not good."
On 9 February 2017 at 15:57, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
And NB that none of the 12,000 links to the Mail from Wikipedia have been removed yet by the "ban", and they will be reviewed and possibly replaced one-by-one, just like we review every other contribution..... (If the "ban" in fact remains in force - I have a suspicion the RfC won't be the last word on the subject!)
Which leaves the question of "why blacklist the Daily Mail not even worse sources?" If anyone can suggest an answer to that which would keep a journo happy I'd be interested to hear it .... ;)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:47 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
compare -
- not right-wing-ness - e.g. the Times and Telegraph are both serious
papers that lean right
- in fact - The Sun is not OK and the Times is, even though same politics
and same publisher, because one's a tabloid and one's a serious paper
- memorise the long lists of egregious falsehoods brought up in the RFC,
recite in a calm voice while smiling
On 9 February 2017 at 15:45, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
That is literally what the task is, yes :-)
On 9 February 2017 at 15:41, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hmmm, trying to turn an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!" round to "actually this is all normal and we have some really interesting community preferences" sounds.... tricky. ;)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Usual line is "editorial decision, I'll forward your details to some editors" then email here ;-D
sooooo er, editors?
On 9 February 2017 at 13:45, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all
Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be great
if
someone could talk about this from an editor's perspective - in
particular
the process of consensus building within the Wikipedia community, as
it's
clear many people working in the media don't understand this. If
someone
does respond to you directly, please could you let me know?
The office has had a flood of emails and phone calls which we've been fielding as best as we can. I'm hoping that when San Francisco wakes
up and
comes online they will send me their statement on the issue, which
would
help to deal with enquiries.
All best Lucy
On 9 February 2017 at 13:38, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote: > > BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can talk about this, for > tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email me and I'll forward you the > email. > > > - d. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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EC2A 4LT.
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The
Wikimedia
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other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity
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Interesting question from Chris.
On 9 February 2017 at 15:57, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Which leaves the question of "why blacklist the Daily Mail not even worse sources?" If anyone can suggest an answer to that which would keep a journo happy I'd be interested to hear it .... ;)
I think the answer is NPOV and systemic bias.
For several years I've been resisting the urge of other editors to prohibit the use of "tabloid" newspapers in the context of establishing notability of subjects in cultures whose primary language isn't English. I see it as a necessary trade-off to address systemic bias.
Case in point: Some AfD editors don't like Apple Daily as a reference. But they are the only major news outlet in Hong Kong that is openly critical of the political establishment and supportive of the (perpetual) opposition.
I guess I'm just adding to David's comparison:
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:47 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
compare -
- not right-wing-ness - e.g. the Times and Telegraph are both serious
papers that lean right
- in fact - The Sun is not OK and the Times is, even though same politics
and same publisher, because one's a tabloid and one's a serious paper
So: - If blacklisting a tabloid source which sometimes produces questionable journalism would mean a significant POV gets purged, we allow the lesser evil of citing sources by lower-quality publishers. - If the same publisher produces different publications that vary in journalistic integrity, we treat each item differently.
Deryck
On 09 February 2017 at 15:57 Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Which leaves the question of "why blacklist the Daily Mail not even worsesources?" If anyone can suggest an answer to that which would keep a journo happy I'd be interested to hear it .... ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Other_stuff_exists
Charles
Hi all
Just to say that I've just had a chat with the nice man from Newsnight and he's still really keen to set up an interview between the lovely Evan Davis and an editor, who can talk about the way in which these decisions are made. I'm making a few direct phone calls but if this is something you think you could do, please get in touch! I'm on 07803 505 169 or just drop me an email.
Cheers Lucy
On 9 February 2017 at 15:47, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
compare -
- not right-wing-ness - e.g. the Times and Telegraph are both serious
papers that lean right
- in fact - The Sun is not OK and the Times is, even though same politics
and same publisher, because one's a tabloid and one's a serious paper
- memorise the long lists of egregious falsehoods brought up in the RFC,
recite in a calm voice while smiling
On 9 February 2017 at 15:45, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
That is literally what the task is, yes :-)
On 9 February 2017 at 15:41, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hmmm, trying to turn an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!" round to "actually this is all normal and we have some really interesting community preferences" sounds.... tricky. ;)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Usual line is "editorial decision, I'll forward your details to some editors" then email here ;-D
sooooo er, editors?
On 9 February 2017 at 13:45, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all
Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be great if someone could talk about this from an editor's perspective - in
particular
the process of consensus building within the Wikipedia community, as
it's
clear many people working in the media don't understand this. If
someone
does respond to you directly, please could you let me know?
The office has had a flood of emails and phone calls which we've been fielding as best as we can. I'm hoping that when San Francisco wakes
up and
comes online they will send me their statement on the issue, which
would
help to deal with enquiries.
All best Lucy
On 9 February 2017 at 13:38, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can talk about this, for tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email me and I'll forward you the email.
- d.
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and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.
Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London
EC2A 4LT.
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The
Wikimedia
projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia,
amongst
other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity
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Presumably they want someone who can be in London? or could this be done remotely?
rod
On 09.02.2017 15:59, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
Hi all Just to say that I've just had a chat with the nice man
from Newsnight and he's still really keen to set up an interview between the lovely Evan Davis and an editor, who can talk about the way in which these decisions are made. I'm making a few direct phone calls but if this is something you think you could do, please get in touch! I'm on 07803 505 169 or just drop me an email.
Cheers Lucy
On 9
February 2017 at 15:47, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com [21]> wrote:
compare - * not right-wing-ness - e.g. the Times and Telegraph are
both serious papers that lean right * in fact - The Sun is not OK and the Times is, even though same politics and same publisher, because one's a tabloid and one's a serious paper * memorise the long lists of egregious falsehoods brought up in the RFC, recite in a calm voice while smiling
On 9 February 2017 at 15:45, David Gerard
<dgerard@gmail.com [17]> wrote:
That is literally what the task
is, yes :-)
On 9 February 2017 at 15:41, Chris Keating
<chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com [16]> wrote:
Hmmm, trying to turn
an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!" round to "actually this is all normal and we have some really interesting community preferences" sounds.... tricky. ;)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at
1:51 PM, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com [12]> wrote:
Usual
line is "editorial decision, I'll forward your details to some
editors" then email here ;-D
sooooo er, editors?
On 9 February 2017 at 13:45, Lucy Crompton-Reid
<lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk [1]> wrote:
Hi all
Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be
great if
someone could talk about this from an editor's
perspective - in particular
the process of consensus building
within the Wikipedia community, as it's
clear many people
working in the media don't understand this. If someone
does
respond to you directly, please could you let me know?
The office has had a flood of emails and phone calls which we've been
fielding as best as we can. I'm hoping that when San
Francisco wakes up and
comes online they will send me their
statement on the issue, which would
help to deal with
enquiries.
All best Lucy
On 9 February 2017 at 13:38, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com [2]> wrote:
> > BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can
talk about this, for
> tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email
me and I'll forward you the
> email. > > > -
d.
> >
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>
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0991
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Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement.
The Wikimedia
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Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
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On 9 February 2017 at 15:59, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I've just had a chat with the nice man from Newsnight and he's still really keen to set up an interview between the lovely Evan Davis
The same Evan Davis who kindly supplied a recoding of his voice for us:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Davis
Indeed...surely that's enough to persuade you?!
On 9 February 2017 at 16:16, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 9 February 2017 at 15:59, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I've just had a chat with the nice man from Newsnight and he's still
really
keen to set up an interview between the lovely Evan Davis
The same Evan Davis who kindly supplied a recoding of his voice for us:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Davis-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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****************************** A spokesman for Mail Newspapers said: “It is hard to know whether to laugh or cry at this move by Wikipedia. For the record the Daily Mail banned all its journalists from using Wikipedia as a sole source in 2014 because of its unreliability.
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Source: Guardian Online.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/wikipedia-bans-daily-mail...
Gordo
Well they certainly weren't laughing when they spoke to me...although I was nearly crying by the end of the call!
On 10 February 2017 at 09:53, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
A spokesman for Mail Newspapers said: “It is hard to know whether to laugh or cry at this move by Wikipedia. For the record the Daily Mail banned all its journalists from using Wikipedia as a sole source in 2014 because of its unreliability.
Source: Guardian Online.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/ wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website
Gordo
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The irony is that the Mail fails to understand that they are in line with Wikipedia's own policy, which states that it does not use other Wikipedia pages as a source:
‘Wikipedia articles (and Wikipedia mirrors) are not reliable sources for any purpose (except as sources on themselves per WP:SELFSOURCE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFSOURCE). Because Wikipedia forbids original research, there is nothing reliable in it that is not citable with something else.’
So yeah, we don't use Wikipedia as a 'sole source' either, because it's not a primary or secondary source.
John
On 10 February 2017 at 09:58, Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Well they certainly weren't laughing when they spoke to me...although I was nearly crying by the end of the call!
On 10 February 2017 at 09:53, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
A spokesman for Mail Newspapers said: “It is hard to know whether to laugh or cry at this move by Wikipedia. For the record the Daily Mail banned all its journalists from using Wikipedia as a sole source in 2014 because of its unreliability.
Source: Guardian Online.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/wikipedia -bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website
Gordo
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Wait, what? Until 2014 the Mail was including material that was solely sourced to Wikipedia??
Seriously???
On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
A spokesman for Mail Newspapers said: “It is hard to know whether to laugh or cry at this move by Wikipedia. For the record the Daily Mail banned all its journalists from using Wikipedia as a sole source in 2014 because of its unreliability.
Source: Guardian Online.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/ wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website
Gordo
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