And NB that none of the 12,000 links to the Mail from Wikipedia have been removed yet by the "ban", and they will be reviewed and possibly replaced one-by-one, just like we review every other contribution..... (If the "ban" in fact remains in force - I have a suspicion the RfC won't be the last word on the subject!)

Which leaves the question of "why blacklist the Daily Mail not even worse sources?" If anyone can suggest an answer to that which would keep a journo happy I'd be interested to hear it .... ;)

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:47 PM, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com> wrote:

compare -

* not right-wing-ness - e.g. the Times and Telegraph are both serious papers that lean right

* in fact - The Sun is not OK and the Times is, even though same politics and same publisher, because one's a tabloid and one's a serious paper

* memorise the long lists of egregious falsehoods brought up in the RFC, recite in a calm voice while smiling

On 9 February 2017 at 15:45, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com> wrote:

That is literally what the task is, yes :-)

On 9 February 2017 at 15:41, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com> wrote:

Hmmm, trying to turn an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!" round to "actually this is all normal and we have some really interesting community preferences" sounds.... tricky. ;)

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com> wrote:

Usual line is "editorial decision, I'll forward your details to some
editors" then email here ;-D

sooooo er, editors?

On 9 February 2017 at 13:45, Lucy Crompton-Reid

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> Hi all
>
> Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be great if
> someone could talk about this from an editor's perspective - in particular
> the process of consensus building within the Wikipedia community, as it's
> clear many people working in the media don't understand this. If someone
> does respond to you directly, please could you let me know?
>
> The office has had a flood of emails and phone calls which we've been
> fielding as best as we can. I'm hoping that when San Francisco wakes up and
> comes online they will send me their statement on the issue, which would
> help to deal with enquiries.
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> All best
> Lucy
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> On 9 February 2017 at 13:38, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can talk about this, for
>> tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email me and I'll forward you the
>> email.
>>
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