Well RS is my personal "axe to grind" :) and I think this is perfectly
acceptable, and indeed an inviolate, reliable source.
With such matters we have to consider content, author, publisher. Content is
fine, just factual secondary level information based on historical research.
Author is fine too, NMM is clearly an excellent academic source in the field
of naval history. Indeed, you'd struggle to find better I think. Publisher,
in this case is no real issue; NMM are de-facto publishers whether it goes
on their site, Wikisource or as a data dump on Commons.
So I doubt you will see any resistance to it as a RS :)
Tom / ErrantX
On 26 February 2011 20:52, Chris Keating <fightingforfairness(a)hotmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Alex - I will certainly make that point to them. The
dataset *might* yet
end up on the NMM's own website, though there are apparently some obstacles
to doing so.
WSC - I'd thought about Wikisource. I'm not particularly familiar with that
project - their inclusion guidelines say "Wikisource does not collect
reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text.
Such information has not been previously published, is often user-compiled
and unverified, and does not fit the goals of Wikisource." The interesting
bit is probably the interpretation of "complete source text", as we're
definitely not talking about user-compiled info, and hopefully it does very
much meet the goals of Wikisource.
Is there anyone here who is involved with Wikisource who can offer an
opinion?
Chris
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:47:45 +0000
From: werespielchequers(a)gmail.com
To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] National Maritime Museum collaboration
Perhaps it would be appropriate to load their material to WikiSource
rather than directly to Wikipedia
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page
Then we can cite it in Wikipedia, or if the license is compatible and
they have an article where we don't we could even import bits into
Wikipedia.
Some historians might raise an eyebrow if the NMM releases its
information on one of our sister projects, but once they get used to
the idea I would hope they'd be happy to cite it.
WereSpielChequers
On 26 February 2011 19:25, Alex Stinson <stinsoad(a)dukes.jmu.edu> wrote:
>> Deryck - yes, it would be bizarre if Wikipedia told the National
Maritime
>> Museum their work wasn't up to our
standards. However, because it's
unusual
>> to get information of this nature and in
this format, I'm keen to
establish
>> a consensus at the outset rather than
risk an argument about it later.
>>
> I have been working with Royal Navy history for the past year or so and
am
> working under one of NAM Rodger's
students right now in writing an
> undergraduate honors thesis. As it goes for organizations which publish
or
> support Naval History, the NMM is considered
one of the more important
> authorities along with the Naval Records Society which sponsor or
publish
> sets of sources. It clearly is reliable and
I would be surprised if
someone
> questioned it.
> That being said, as Historian, I would find the donation much more
useful if
> it were sponsored on another website (a
closed wiki vetted by the
NMM?),
> that way historians can use it without
having to cite one of the
Wikimedia
> projects. History, in particular, is a
mildly backward field when it
comes
> to digital integration into scholarship. And
it is certainly one of the
> fields I don't think we will see lots of citations to Wikipedia in
anytime
> soon. Naval History is one of the worst
subfields
for digital integration as
> well (most of the journals published in the
field are not available
> digitally yet). Any sources published digitally outside of a pay wall
would
> be infinitely useful for scholarship. That
would also be useful for
vetting
> of Wikipedia facts, instead of the content
being inserted once, it
could be
refered
to for verifiability for however long it is needed.
Alex Stinson
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