Thanks for the feedback everyone. Very useful. I'll do some more work on the InDesign file and share an updated draft next week.
Mike, I think the font issue is because I'm using replacement fonts in InDesign as I don't have the same set as the WMF. I'll take a closer look but will probably involve changing the replacement font. Shouldn't be too difficult. Your suggested amends to the copy look sensible too, I'll work through them.
Martin, the idea of a version number and a URL is useful. I'll add those in. I'll also check out the labelling issue, too.
Stevie
On 29 August 2013 11:08, Martin Poulter infobomb@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for your work on this, Stevie. I think this is an exciting development. I agree with you that it's okay to have two or three pages with a non-white background, so long as the bulk of the document has a white background.
When I look at the top of page 7, under the heading "Placing files using wikicode" the code in the example is the wrong font size (viewed in Chrome, which might not be rendering the font correctly). Thus the two closing square brackets are not under the label "two closing square brackets". One page 3, under "what is allowed on Commons", this is where we need some mention of the UK position on freedom of panorama, but this is an area I'm relatively clueless in, so someone more clueful should chime in. On page 11, the link "Help:Public domain" is in a smaller font than the surrounding text.
It's a good idea to have a version number in any printed document, e.g. "UK version 1.0, published September 2013", along with a URL of the electronic version, so that people who get a paper copy can 1) verify that the version they have is current, and 2) send the document to their colleagues. I've been nagging Foundation staff to do this too. I wish just sending electronic versions were enough in itself, but in my experience it's vastly more likely to be read if you target people and hand them a paper copy, and once they're enthusiastic they will recommend the link in their workplace or their professional networks.
There will be changes over time, but these will be relatively minor. It doesn't matter that there are small changes to the Commons home page or WP interface, so long as the instructions given by the booklet ("click on the button in the top right") are still valid. Thanks again for your work on this!
On 28 August 2013 21:34, Michael Peel michael.peel@manchester.ac.ukwrote:
(re-sending in case I'm still having problems with my mikepeel.netaddress - apologies if this comes through twice!)
On 28 Aug 2013, at 21:31, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
Hi Stevie,
Thanks for sharing the draft. It's better to upload large files like
this to the wiki and then link to them, rather than sending around large files by email, though. Here's some suggestions for improvement/corrections:
I think there's a font issue either with the PDF or your computer -
some of the t's are appearing very oddly, with a little loop going from the top of the t back over the previous letter. E.g. see the text on page 8 where the issue is particularly clear. Let me know if you can't reproduce this, and I'll send you a screenshot.
Page 2 - "media from Commons is used by", that should be "media from
Commons are used by" as 'media' is plural in this situation. (I've pointed this out on the file talk page for the original as it's a mistake in that version.)
Page 3 - you might want to tidy the indentation on the text there. E.g.
under 'What is allowed', the first bullet point should be at the same level as the next two, and under 'What is not allowed' the last line of the intro paragraph should be indented at the same level as the rest of the paragraph. Similarly, in the sidebar on page 10 could do with some tidying as the x's appear on the second line in some cases. These are probably due to differences in software versions or settings as they look OK in the original version.
Page 6 - there seems to be a closing bracket missing after the media
symbol in point (1) - as per the last, as it looks OK in the original version.
Page 7 - "for putting images in" makes me cringe. :-/ "for adding
images to a wiki page" would be much better.
Page 10 needs some clarifying, as it says "The Wikimedia Commons
default is the Creative Commons Attribution- ShareAlike licence (CC BY-SA), which says that ..." - technically, the description it gives after that is a human-readable summary rather than what the license says, so this needs a bit of rewording to something like 'which explains that' or 'which sets out that'. (Again, I've pointed this out on the file talk page for the original as it's a mistake in that version.)
The "Is it public domain?" section on page 11 could do with some
localisation, as right now it's all US-focused rather than relating to the UK. I'd suggest making it clear that the UK is life+70 years, and perhaps also mention the Open Government License?
The back page should probably have WMUK's details and contact
information included on it (potentially including the charity and company number), rather than just the WMUK logo and a general description. Also, there's some spelling mistakes: "colelct", "hiostoric". (I'm also fairly sure that 'Wikimedia Foundation' should always be preceded by 'the', but I've never figured out why Americans seem to consistently do this incorrectly...)
Hope this helps. :-)
BTW, do you have an expected lifetime for the booklet before it needs
refreshing? I guess things like the visual editor screenshots will age reasonably quickly, and things like the screenshots are already out of date (particularly those of the Commons homepage that quote the number of Commons files as 17,735,052 and 17,801,932, as it's already over 18.1 million now ;-) ).
Thanks, Mike
On 22 Aug 2013, at 14:34, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:
Hello again everyone,
I've managed to get the InDesign files and have been doing a little
work on the brochure. There's now a draft localised version for the UK. This is attached. I really like it but wonder what others think?
Andy, I take on board your suggestion about removing the grey
background in places but I actually think it adds quite a lot to the design so I've kept it.
With regards to freedom of panorama, as mentioned before I know
nothing about this so if anyone can take a look at the copy and suggest any appropriate changes I'll take care of it.
Hope you like the booklet!
Stevie
On 14 August 2013 16:37, Martin Poulter infobomb@gmail.com wrote: Why produce a paper brochure? Because of immediacy, e.g. in training
sessions it's more convenient for people to have something in front of them to step through rather than opening yet another browser tab. If we want to get our message through to staff in content projects and GLAMs, immediacy may well make the difference when they are being bombarded with recommended links or contacts. Good point about ink though.
On 14 August 2013 15:53, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk
wrote:
On 7 August 2013 15:37, Daria Cybulska <
daria.cybulska@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
A new brochure about Wikimedia Commons has been produced. Designed to
be a companion brochure to the Welcome to Wikipedia brochure, it covers what Commons is, how to upload files, how to use files, and the basics of free licenses - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Illustrating_Wikipedia_brochure.pdf
We would like to have a version printed in the UK as well. What are
your thoughts on the content?
The grey background of some pages will burn up ink if people print
their own copies; white would be better.
There is a lack of continuity in referring to uploading "images" vs.
"media" - at one point, it says "You can also upload audio", but doesn't mention video
It is misleading on freedom of panorama. It says you can upload
pictures of "old" buildings, if they're "in the public domain". (It may be wise to mention the difference between FoP in the UK, and in countries where the law is less liberal on the matter.)
Environmentally speaking, why produce a paper brochure? Why not put
the material online, and hand out business (size) cards with a URL and QR code?
Otherwise, a good initiative.
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