On 13/09/15 13:18, Gordon Joly wrote:
On 12/09/15 21:19, Lester Caine wrote:
> Plan off attack is to make sure all the
places locally exist in
> wikipedia and I sort of got off to a good start, but hit a problem with
> miss matched names and missing entries. I've modified
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_Subedge_railway_station to use the
> correct name for the period the railway existed, but there was no page
> for
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_Sub_Edge which I've created by
> cribbing other local villages. My crib sheet of names lists 'Weston
> Subedge' as taken from the ONS list but I'm waiting on some feed back
> from the Parish Clerk as to the 'official' spelling nowadays.
Will Wikidata help?
It's yet something else to have to worry about? Looks like it needs all
of the changes going into OSM and wikipedia then need manually cross
referencing in wikidata?
My main problem is that none of the major systems provide an ideal
solution to the basic problem of handling genealogical data. On OSM the
camp that demands that nothing 'historic' is retained in the main
database are trying to push their view, much as some views get pushed in
wikipedia (which is why I stopped adding data previously when pages kept
being deleted).
Wikipedia has a little of the same 'it must be current' going on, yet
the historic material is often buried in the pages themselves, just as
the history of the changes to maps is buried in the change log of OSM.
And Wikidata is based on a similar restricted view? I can't see a means
of time-stamping data such as population data which evolves over time.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Towns_and_villages_in_Worcester…
is yet another area to keep in touch with? But I have at least found
some historic material properly dated within that data. I'm planning a
run around here with the camera to add some extra images to use on the
new pages.
That place names evolve over time is a simple fact, and while normally
there is some clean determination on a change, a boundary change for
electoral reasons, or the adoption of a new name for so local event,
other changes are a little less distinct. However simply redirecting
from one name to another, or burying it as an old_name looses the key
piece of information as to when the change occurred. If one is working
through the early census information tracking a families movement, then
the name valid at that time is the one one would like to look up and
here we do have many examples of old addresses that have a completely
different form today. The ones that currently fall through the gaps are
old road names which have been lost through new development or simple
renaming. While a renaming may be 'noteworthy' enough to justify a
wikipedia page, there is no reliable place to look up the location of
these former addresses whoever they come about.
Now if all of the information in the right hand box on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_Sub_Edge was populated from the
wikidata entry, and the evolution of things like 'population' and other
local variable data was also stored in wikidata then I think things
would be a lot easier to manage over time? CAN we select data from
wikidata as we can now add [[Category:xxx]] tags?
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