I agree with the sentiments in here. I'm also not sure that using WMF's mission statement as the objects is even a particularly good idea.
We have a particular responsibility to UK wikimedians, and a particular responsibility to fulfil those goals within the UK. I would suggest broadly sticking to Alison's original objectives.
(Link for convenience: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK_v2.0/Objectives )
Tom
-----Original Message----- From: wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Cates Sent: 03 October 2008 12:07 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Objectives Discussion Thread
By all means try but if I were the charity commission (and I am not, but we have had a lot of problems with seemingly minor changes to our byelaws) I would raise the question "what happens when the Wikimedia Foundation changes its vision and mission". By referring this objective to something whose change does not require charity commission consent, you are effectively allowing changes to the byelaws without their permission, which they would not accept. Explicitly restating the current vision helps, of course, but they may insist that you tie down the phrase "the vision and mission of the Wikimedia Foundation" to a particular version in time, for example by saying:
through helping to creating a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge by empowering and engaging people to collect, develop and effectively disseminate educational content under a free license or in the public domain (which is the current vision and mission of the Wikimedia Foundation).
It is not inconceivable that the Wikimedia Foundation could change its mission to something which would be allowable as charitable in the US but no in the UK (for example, as far as I know Greenpeace failed to get charitable status in the UK but succeeded in the US). But if you wish to avoid this I would fix the wording now explicitly on this point.
Andrew
2008/10/3 Andrew Turvey raturvey@yahoo.co.uk:
I've added my suggestion to the meta page at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK_v2.0/Objectives:
"The charity's objects are the promotion of education for all through assisting the vision and mission of the Wikimedia Foundation: Creating a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge by empowering and engaging people to collect, develop and effectively disseminate educational content under a free license or in the public domain"
Might need a bit of work in terms of getting it to flow.
It's very easy for us to explain how this is exclusively charitable and
for
the public benefit ("promotion of education" and "for all") and hence keep the Charity Commission happy. It's expressed in a way that keeps our autonomy so we are not controlled by a foreign organisation not registered with the UK Charity Commission.
By explicitly referring to the vision of the WMF, we comply with ChapCom's http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requirements_for_future_chapters which
state
"The mission of the organisation must be in line with the mission of the Wikimedia Foundation"
This leaves everything flexible, so projects that WMUK may come up with
in,
say, 10 years time, would not require us to rewrite the M&As.
The details of what we're actually planning to do - wikimania, schools
etc.
shoudl also be discussed and agreed (I suggest at the AGM in January) but
I
suggest we leave the Mem&Arts objectives broad.
Andrew
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