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"Fair Use does not apply to DSM material or any other APA/APPI content." um, wtf?
by David Gerard 20 Dec '05

20 Dec '05

Below is from [[:en:WP:ANI]]. What on earth? How does "fair use" magically not apply? - d. DSM-IV-TR Copyright question http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Narcissistic_personality_disorder There is a question being raised concerning whether the reproduction of DSM-IV-TR criteria on several articles without permission from the APA constitutes breach of copyright and whether the administration of Wikipedia could or should seek the relevant permissions or the removal of such text? Personally I should like to request the permissions be sought --82.195.137.125 19:04, 17 December 2005 (UTC) I have responded to this at the relevant talk page, and suggested that relevant quotations are within the bounds of fair use. Other eyes may be welcome on that issue. Dragons flight 21:20, 17 December 2005 (UTC) [Response re: DSM-IV-TR criteria (all identifiers removed, original forwarded to permissions(a)wikipedia.org): We are inclined to deny Wikipedia permission to use our content as we do not allow anyone to alter our material and we do not want our material posted online. I can assure you that we have complete rights to our material and Fair Use does not apply to DSM material or any other APA/APPI content. I find this a LITTLE bit scary in it's wider implications --82.195.137.125 05:15, 20 December 2005 (UTC)] Also completely wrong. Of course it fucking applies. Perhaps they could work with the National Gallery on this one - David Gerard 12:26, 20 December 2005 (UTC) [Better idea David could you see your way to making your case to them (I have already made mine)? Here is contact page http://appi.org/permissions.cfx and post any results here? (repeating on your talk page). "Inclined" is, to my mind, a word that is still open to negotiation --82.195.137.125 13:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)]

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Do we have a legal opinion on the MoA and AoA now?
by Jon 20 Dec '05

20 Dec '05

Now it's Monday, has James heard back from this Diane (who I took to be a charity lawyer but he didn't say)? Jon --------------------------------- Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now ---------------------------------

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Whois wikimania.co.uk?
by Gordon Joly 17 Dec '05

17 Dec '05

Ouch! Domain name: wikimania.co.uk Registrant: Infochannel Group Ltd. & Co. KG Registrant type: Not supplied Registrant's address: Agnesstr.1 Hamburg 22301 DE Registrant's agent: TJNF ApS [Tag = TJNF-DK] Relevant dates: Registered on: 21-Nov-2005 Renewal date: 21-Nov-2007 Registration status: Registration request being processed. Name servers: ns1.b-one.nu ns2.b-one.nu ns3.b-one.nu WHOIS lookup made at 16:06:32 17-Dec-2005 -- "Think Feynman"///////// http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.joly(a)pobox.com///

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Costs for signing/swearing documents.
by Gordon Joly 16 Dec '05

16 Dec '05

I have received an email from my solicitor who will charge 5 pounds per document. His firm is based in North West London. This is not the central London based firm who can advise us on the objects etc. -- Gordo (aka LoopZilla) gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://pobox.com/~gordo/ http://www.loopzilla.org/

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Campaigning.
by Cormac Lawler 16 Dec '05

16 Dec '05

On 12/14/05, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > The current set of objects (a) to (e) has the following (final) object: > > e) to campaign if necessary against impediments and restrictions to the > above goals, wheresoever enacted, in the United Kingdom or overseas. > > But the Charities Commission guidelines at > > http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/publications/cc9.asp > > > state: > > 3. However, where the campaign or other activity is of a political > nature (ie seeking to advocate or oppose a change in the law or > public policy), charity trustees must ensure that these activities do > not become the dominant means by which they carry out the purposes of > the charity. These activities must remain incidental or ancillary to > the charity's purposes. > > Does the fact that one of our five objects (and a reference to the > other four) give us explicit campaigning purpose and as hence as at > odds with the above clause? See also the rest of "CC9" > > CC9 - Campaigning and Political Activities by Charities > (Version - September 2004) I haven't read the above document(s), but the reason for this suggestion was that *if* we ever felt the need to campaign for a change in the law (in the UK or abroad), having this explicitly stated in the objects would allow us to do it. Campaigning will not be our predominant activity, so I still think we fit within the Charity Commision's guidelines. Cormac

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Changes in UK Law for Charities.
by Gordon Joly 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

"Britain's first reform of charity law for 400 years was finally included in the Queen's speech in December 2004. Annie Kelly explains how it will benefit and modernise the charity sector" Tuesday March 1, 2005 Full article at http://society.guardian.co.uk/charityreform/story/0,11494,1425601,00.html http://tinyurl.co.uk/ip8i Here is short extract: **** The bill has introduced a new list of 12 charitable purposes designed to better reflect public perception of charitable causes including advancement of amateur sports and advancement of human rights. This means that campaigning groups with a political slant to their work, such as Amnesty International, could now apply for charitable status. **** It has been noted that we should apply now, and with these changes in mind. -- Gordo (aka LoopZilla) gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://pobox.com/~gordo/ http://www.loopzilla.org/

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FYI.
by Gordon Joly 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

FYI http://www.wikipediaclassaction.org/ -- Gordo (aka LoopZilla) gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://pobox.com/~gordo/ http://www.loopzilla.org/

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] FYI.
by Andrew Gray 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

On 14/12/05, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote: > >My personal POV is that I do *not* consider myself "above the law" and am > >perfectly willing to stand by what I write (whether initial page content > >or a subsequent addition or deletion) but I cannot and will not accept any > >responsibility or liability for what happens to the content I create > >subsquent to my posting it to the site, hence the licencing used. > One issue comes to mind. Some of use alaises. David Gerard is a > notable exception, but I wonder if now is the time to encourage, but > not demand, real names? Demand real names... all you get is a lot of J. Smith and A. N. Mouse's. Allowing pseudonyms simply makes it clear who is and isn't giving a real name. (besides, a unique pseudonym with a clear identity behind it is often more useful than a single commonly-confusable name...) -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Campaigning.
by Andrew Walker 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

Yes, that is why Amnesty International is not (or, maybe, was not) a registered charity. I would suggest removing that object if it will lead to problems with the Charities Commission. In fact it may be running our MoA and AoA past the Commission before we incorporate as a limited company to smooth our charity application and have a second check (as well as the legal one) that all is ok. Do we still have to get final board approval of the articles before incorporation? Cheers, Andrew(w) On 12/14/05, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > The current set of objects (a) to (e) has the following (final) object: > > e) to campaign if necessary against impediments and restrictions to the > above goals, wheresoever enacted, in the United Kingdom or overseas. > > But the Charities Commission guidelines at > > http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/publications/cc9.asp > > > state: > > 3. However, where the campaign or other activity is of a political > nature (ie seeking to advocate or oppose a change in the law or > public policy), charity trustees must ensure that these activities do > not become the dominant means by which they carry out the purposes of > the charity. These activities must remain incidental or ancillary to > the charity's purposes. > > Does the fact that one of our five objects (and a reference to the > other four) give us explicit campaigning purpose and as hence as at > odds with the above clause? See also the rest of "CC9" > > CC9 - Campaigning and Political Activities by Charities > (Version - September 2004) > > Also, from my scant knowledge of legal wording, words such as "as > above" should be replaced with "(a), (b), (c), and (d)". > > -- > Gordo (aka LoopZilla) > gordon.joly(a)pobox.com > http://pobox.com/~gordo/ > http://www.loopzilla.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediauk-l mailing list > Wikimediauk-l(a)Wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >

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Campaigning.
by Gordon Joly 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

The current set of objects (a) to (e) has the following (final) object: e) to campaign if necessary against impediments and restrictions to the above goals, wheresoever enacted, in the United Kingdom or overseas. But the Charities Commission guidelines at http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/publications/cc9.asp state: 3. However, where the campaign or other activity is of a political nature (ie seeking to advocate or oppose a change in the law or public policy), charity trustees must ensure that these activities do not become the dominant means by which they carry out the purposes of the charity. These activities must remain incidental or ancillary to the charity's purposes. Does the fact that one of our five objects (and a reference to the other four) give us explicit campaigning purpose and as hence as at odds with the above clause? See also the rest of "CC9" CC9 - Campaigning and Political Activities by Charities (Version - September 2004) Also, from my scant knowledge of legal wording, words such as "as above" should be replaced with "(a), (b), (c), and (d)". -- Gordo (aka LoopZilla) gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://pobox.com/~gordo/ http://www.loopzilla.org/

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