Wikimediauk-l June 2012

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Wikimedian to debate online with PR industry body, Wednesday 20 June 5pm
by Stevie Benton 19 Jun '12

19 Jun '12

Hi everyone, Thought I'd drop you a line to let you know that David Gerard, a UK Wikipedian, is to take part in a webcast debate tomorrow (Wednesday) with the Chartered Institute of Public Relations. The debate will examine the relationship between the PR industry and the Wikipedia community and also touch on the proposed best practice guidelines for PR. These guidelines are in draft and have been on the WMUK wiki for debate, discussion and editing. Get involved in the conversation here<http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Draft_best_practice_guidelines_for_PR> . The debate will be live from 5pm BST on Wednesday at http://www.cipr.co.uk/ciprtv/108058/the-wikipedia-debate-will-two-communiti… and you can submit questions for the panel in advance, either by using the submission form on the page or on Twitter using the hashtag #CIPRtv The debate will also be available on demand after the event for those unable to watch live. Best wishes, Stevie -- Stevie Benton Communications Organiser Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.

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19 Jun '12

Received this morning. Dear stakeholder, We're writing to inform you that on Thursday 14 June 2012, the Government published a summary of the responses it received during its consultation on Copyright. The Government received 471 responses from interested parties. The summary document is accessible via the Intellectual Property Office website, found here: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/pro-policy/consult/consult-closed/consult-closed-2011… This document is a summary of what respondents to the Consultation have said on each of the proposals. It is a purely factual document, and does not contain any policy decisions or announcements. Decisions as a result of the consultation will be announced as soon as possible. The Government had planned to publish the full set of responses alongside its summary. However, in the course of reviewing the responses received, it has become clear that a number of respondents have advanced criticisms of the activities of others in the sector, and the Government is reviewing the submissions to establish there is no potentially defamatory material in anything it may publish. Once these issues are resolved the Government will publish as many responses as it is able to do without the risk of legal recourse. The Government would like to thank you, and all those who took the time to contribute to the Consultation. Copyright Consultation Team Intellectual Property Office -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk

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Recruiting for the Developer
by Jon Davies 18 Jun '12

18 Jun '12

We will shortly be advertising for our developer post. We will be spreading the word far and wide, especially within the community, but all suggestions gratefully received. So far (outside leads: Mozilla Tech hub Civi-CRM Google academy Thanks Jon -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk

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Fw: <offlist> Re: Recruiting for the Developer
by HJ Mitchell 18 Jun '12

18 Jun '12

One day, I will manage to send an email to the intended recipient, and only the intended recipient! Until that day comes, I meant to send this to the list! Harry ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: HJ Mitchell <hjmitchell(a)ymail.com> To: Stevie Benton <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> Sent: Monday, 18 June 2012, 15:25 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] <offlist> Re: Recruiting for the Developer Oh bollocks. I stand by the point, that we should look at hiring some sort of community liaison, I just should said it with more tact (or more carefully checked exactly where I was sending it). I'm going to step away from the keyboard before I succeed in making myself look even more of an imbecile! ;) Harry ________________________________ From: Stevie Benton <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> To: HJ Mitchell <hjmitchell(a)ymail.com> Sent: Monday, 18 June 2012, 15:20 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] <offlist> Re: Recruiting for the Developer Hi Harry, That actually went to the whole list. But a nice email :) Stevie On 18 June 2012 15:18, HJ Mitchell <hjmitchell(a)ymail.com> wrote: Just wanted to say your comment about needing a community liaison was spot on. It's something I've been thinking about for a while, but I don't want to plug it too hard because I'd give serious thought to applying if it ever came up! > > > > >Best, >Harry > > > >________________________________ > From: Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> >To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> >Sent: Monday, 18 June 2012, 14:49 >Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Recruiting for the Developer > > >Looking at the job description I have some concerns that it has been written without the input of someone experienced in hiring individuals for technical or pseudo-technical roles - especially in the current economic climate. > > >You seem to be looking for someone extremely versatile, experienced and independent... on a very entry level salary packet. > > >I was under the impression, from previous discussions, that the developer position was to be contractor-style - or at least remote working in the region ~10 hours a week. > > >As a developer, from the description page, I see the following roles: > > >* Developer >* Sysadmin >* Project manager >* Advocate > > >Four very distinct roles. > > >To pick on one specific issue; expecting this person to work on Mediwiki core, or an extension, is going to be problematic. That's a whole position on its own and you are going to find that ongoing "other work" will make project work of that sort untenable. > > >(speaking as someone who is in much this position at the moment; my project work is on hold pretty much all the time whilst clearing up management issues). > > >I worry that there is not a lot of work described in this job; or at least the responsibilities are bitty and ill-defined. You're risking having someone who will sit for long portions of the day drumming their fingers on the desk. (speaking as someone who was hired to do this once, and quit after 3 months due to boredom). It would be good to define (internally, on the WMUK wiki) the roles this developer will have to fulfill and, from a technical perspective, what we'd like to achieve in, say, the next year. > > >The salary is most concerning though; you're looking for experience and versatility - two major technical skills (sysadmin and developer) plus management experience/skill - at a basic entry level rate. I think you will struggle to find competent applicants. > > >I'd fit, fairly well, this job description (and I think am pretty good at it) - and any London based job under £35K would struggle to tempt me. Under £30K is not even worth considering. (n.b. I'm not saying this because I'd plan to apply if you raised the salary :)). You;fe > > >What I recommend is hiring a more general community liaison (we need this anyway IMO), with experience in technical projects. They can do most of the PM style work. Then contract out specific projects (yes, including MW extension writing) as and when needed. Keep a contractor on retainer for sysadmin and internal dev work (~10 hours a week etc.). > > >Particularly as you have numerous skilled dev/sysadmin contractors within the community who will likely offer discounted rates. Building on the WMF model; with a competent project manager most of the dev/sysadmin work could be community driven. I've already offered to pitch in, but there is no public project to achieve this that I know of. > > >If we have a budget of £30K to go into development this is not enough to hire a full time developer/sysadmin/manager. It's enough to contract the work and to begin to build a volunteer centric development department. > > >Mike wrote an excellent starter to this here: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/2012_Developer_budget The current job description seems to be the opposite of many of those (good) proposals (although I know Mike also wrote the job description). If we take the list of upcoming requirements from that page there are even bigger images; it talks about a robust backup strategy - which is quite a specific set of experience. Even worse is the security review stuff - no dev/sysadmin you hire for £25K will be capable of a robust security review. > > >As always; just my 2p :) > > >Tom > > >(sorry to be over-critical, but I am in a rush today so this is first draft sent :)) > > >On 18 June 2012 13:41, Jon Davies <jon.davies(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > >We will shortly be advertising for our developer post. We will be spreading the word far and wide, especially within the community, but all suggestions gratefully received. >>So far (outside leads: >>Mozilla >>Tech hub >>Civi-CRM >>Google academy >> >>Thanks >> >>Jon >> >> >>-- >>Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 >>tweet @jonatreesdavies >> >>Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513 >>Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. >>Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. >>Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. >> >>Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wikimedia UK mailing list >>wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org >>http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Wikimedia UK mailing list >wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org >http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Wikimedia UK mailing list >wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org >http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > -- Stevie Benton Communications Organiser Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.

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donate.wikimedia.org.uk has an SSL error
by Tom Morris 18 Jun '12

18 Jun '12

If you go to http://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/ you can donate… insecurely. If you go to https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/ you can donate… but you get an SSL certificate error. This seems like a problem. (Whoops, sent this to Wikimedia-L rather than Wikimediauk-L.) -- Tom Morris <http://tommorris.org/>

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Distance learning project
by Charles Matthews 17 Jun '12

17 Jun '12

I have been asked to be project leader for Wikimedia UK's distance learning project. Early days. Let me try to clarify what all this is about. It is a subproject of the training effort, which already has the actual training and outreach calendar events, and the Training for Trainers (TfT) strand. It is another piece in the jigsaw. The desired outcome is an online community with a virtual learning environment (VLE) that is hosting and developing teaching modules that will effectively teach Wikimedia topics (in English, as of the moment). So far the distance learning project (VLE project for short) has three subprojects I want to announce: (1) Content (i.e. topic policy and content scavenger hunt) To start with there will be a defined scope, divided into two unequal sections: Core and Outreach. For example at the first TfT workshop last weekend there were four presentations: on talk page etiquette, dispute resolution, GLAM and Wikipedia in Education. Of these the first two are Core and the second two Outreach. The main thrust of the project will be to get to the point where anyone can learn all the Core topics in decent teaching modules that are designed to common educational principles and standards. But Outreach is not going to be off-topic. This is an area where anyone can help right now. All content will be CC-by-SA. Initially existing CC-by-SA text can be used to seed modules. E.g. the whole Help: namespace on enWP: I'm talking to Peter Coombe (User:The wub) about this, who is on a WMF fellowship working over that material. What I really need help with is with (a) FAQ-like material (what people tend to ask us about) and its subset (b) standard OTRS queries. There are lists of OTRS standard answers, I know. Please write to me offlist with suggestions: "how to start an article" and "how to reuse material" are typical. This is pretty basic to make sure the VLE teaches what people want to learn. (2) Moodle. Free-source course management system. When there is something to discuss, moodle.org would be the place. If you have Moodle expertise and would like to be involved, please let me know offlist. (3) Community. The acronym MBWL (i.e. Moodle-based but wiki-like). and hashtag #wikimodule now exist: that was the easy part. You will be glad to know that there are some policies too. There will be "modules" and "good modules" and "featured modules". MBWL:GOOD says that only good modules go public, and that pure lesson plans, or pure distance learning modules without IRL notes, don't qualify as good. It also says the procedure of grading an article good and so publishing it will be under the control of the whole account-holding community, and will be a box-ticking exercise. MBWL:FM states that grading a module featured will be a threaded review process under the control of the account holders who are also accredited via WMUK and TfT (this is where things start to interlock). The rationale for this policy states that the VFL regards debates on how people learn as off-topic there. They are on-topic in other places, such as a page on uk.wikimedia.org where anyone can debate the quality definition on the talk page, but which is edited by trainers who have done the TfT course and so are at least starting from common ground. There is an existing education email list that may prove helpful for detailed thrashing-out. I shall be available at the WWI Editathon on Saturday if anyone wants to chat about all this, or let me near a whiteboard. Charles

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 83, Issue 36
by John Byrne 15 Jun '12

15 Jun '12

On 14/06/2012 13:00, wikimediauk-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org wrote: > Re: Distance learning project I agree this has been a good discussion, & I hear excellent reports about the event. But at the same time I notice there were only 10 (?) attendees, which I think highlights what is actually our main constraint at the moment, and probably for some time ahead - a shortage of active members. All the more reason to prioritize training! In some cases this was due to the clash with the London meetup, where there was at least one person who would otherwise have gone & 2 for whom this was a factor. The date was only given a short time ahead also. I agree that accreditation is something we should not worry about for the moment at least, until we have had some practice. But in the future we may well find ourselves in situations where other bodies want to give some form of credit/CPE points etc for our sessions in partnership with them. John Byrne/Johnbod

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Academic training workshops
by Andrew Gray 14 Jun '12

14 Jun '12

Hi all, As many of you know, as part of my work at the British Library I'll be organizing a series of training workshops on behalf of AHRC for postgraduates and academics, at various institutions around the country. These are mostly half-day sessions, giving training to specialists who are interested in contributing to Wikipedia or other Wikimedia projects, or learning more about engaging and collaborating with the Wikimedia community - I'm modelling them on the past sessions run by WMUK with, eg, the Institute of Physics. http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Physics_Workshop If they involve more than a small number of people, I'm quite keen to have someone else around, since it helps a lot if there's two or three people available to answer questions, demonstrate things, etc. If you'd be interested in coming along to one of these sessions and helping show people the ropes, please let me know and I'll keep you informed of future dates & locations - I can cover reasonable travel expenses where needed... Alternatively, if you have contacts who you think might be interested in hosting one at their institution, I'd be really interested to hear about it - part of the trick with setting these up is finding the right person to approach! Thanks all, -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

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What is in a name?
by Gordon Joly 13 Jun '12

13 Jun '12

At last, the company (a registered charity) is now called "Wikimedia UK". The name was changed from "Wiki UK Ltd". A former version of the project was called "Wiki Educational Resources Ltd" which is a rather apt name given the current interest in training. This company was dissolved in 2009. It does not appear to have ever submitted any accounts. Company No. 05708269 Status: Dissolved 31/03/2009 Date of Incorporation: 14/02/2006 Why choose the name "wikimedia" when the public are in general much more familiar with the term "wikipedia"? Are we guilty of being to close the issue and not seeing the wider picture (but that was was given as the reason for the formal name change at the AGM???)? Is there now time to reflect? I know something of the trademark issues, and I know something about the relationship to the Foundation. Compare and contrast:- 1) Wikipedia 2) Wikimedia 3) Mediawiki Gordo

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Fwd: [Antiquist] Fwd: Cultural Heritage seminar on Tuesday 31st July - save the date
by Andy Mabbett 13 Jun '12

13 Jun '12

Who has interest in 3D modelling? Fae? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Leif Isaksen" <leifuss(a)googlemail.com> Date: Jun 11, 2012 4:13 PM Subject: [Antiquist] Fwd: Cultural Heritage seminar on Tuesday 31st July - save the date To: "Antiquist" <antiquist(a)googlegroups.com> Likely to be of interest to many antiquistas Best L. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Grant Cameron <Grant.Cameron(a)cdg.uk.com> Date: Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:41 PM Subject: Cultural Heritage seminar on Tuesday 31st July - save the date To: Leif Isaksen <leifuss(a)googlemail.com> Dear Leif As part of the 3D-CoForm exhibition at the University of Brighton, CDG in-conjunction with the V&A Museum are hosting a seminar to promote the use of 3D technologies for Cultural Heritage applications. Seminar title: "3D Scanning & 3D Printing Technologies for Cultural Heritage" Date: Tuesday 31st July Time: 10am-4pm Location: University of Brighton Presentations: by CDG Case Study: by James Stevenson, V&A Museum For more about the 3D-Coform project please see... http://www.3d-coform.eu/ Please drop me a note if you would like to attend or would like further details. Best regards Grant Cameron CDG Concurrent Design Group Tel. 01420 88645 www.cdg.uk.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Antiquist" group. To post to this group, send email to antiquist(a)googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to antiquist+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/antiquist?hl=en.

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