Wikimediauk-l July 2009

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Who in the UK has done museum negotiations?
by David Gerard 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

As in, not the NPG, but museums who are actually willing to do a deal, get works out as CC by-sa if not PD with a great big credit, etc. Anyone in the UK actually done this? - d.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Who in the UK has done museum negotiations?
by Andrew Turvey 12 Jul '09

12 Jul '09

The Victoria and Albert Museum worked with us on the Wikipedia Loves Art project - that involved licensing photographs of their work under CC-BY-SA. ----- "David Gerard" <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > From: "David Gerard" <dgerard(a)gmail.com> > To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Sent: Sunday, 12 July, 2009 19:36:37 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal > Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Who in the UK has done museum negotiations? > > As in, not the NPG, but museums who are actually willing to do a deal, > get works out as CC by-sa if not PD with a great big credit, etc. > > Anyone in the UK actually done this? > > > - d. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Foundation-l] About that "sue and be damned" to the National Portrait Gallery ...
by Virgin, Steve 11 Jul '09

11 Jul '09

David makes some excellent points. May I suggest one thing? Wouldn't it better if journalists were making the calls that david rightly suggests? If we have some 'friends' in this newspaper community could we not tell them what david explains below and get them to make this call? If we wake them up to the weakness of their position they will simply fix it. If we get the news 'out there' we can simply be interested bystanders watching their troubles. A nicer situation to be in. ----- Original Message ----- From: wikimediauk-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org <wikimediauk-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org> To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Sat Jul 11 11:43:42 2009 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Foundation-l] About that "sue and be damned" to the National Portrait Gallery ... 2009/7/11 David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>: > It gets better: the editor they sent the threat to is an American. > So, to recap: A UK organisation is threatening an American with legal > action over what is unambiguously, in established US law, not a > copyright violation of any sort. > I can't see this ending well for the NPG. In fact, the more legal success they have with this approach (and they do have a plausible cause in the UK, if they throw enough money at arguing so), the more *utterly radioactive* the publicity for them will be. I’ll be calling the NPG first thing Monday (in my capacity as “just a blogger on Wikimedia-related topics”) to establish just what they think they’re doing here. Other WMF bloggers and, if interested, journalists may wish to do the same, to establish what their consistent response is. - d. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Foundation-l] About that "sue and be damned" to the National Portrait Gallery ...
by Thomas Dalton 11 Jul '09

11 Jul '09

2009/7/11 David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>: > ... the National Portrait Gallery appear to be sending legal threats > to individual uploaders, after the Foundation ignored their claims as > utterly, utterly specious. > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Dcoetzee/NPG_legal_threat > > The editor in question is US-based. > > So. What is WMF's response to this odious attempt to enclose the commons? I don't know if the WMF can/will do much. When we've discussed this situation hypothetically in the past the consensus was that we would all rally round and pay for the appropriate legal representation required (I hereby pledge £10). Wikimedia UK may also be able to help, I don't know (we don't yet have a lawyer, but for something this specific we can find one). I don't know if WMUK wants to get involved with this sort of thing but if it does it could be a useful vehicle for collecting the funds. I have cross-posted this to the UK list. I imagine the user in question has no choice but the fight the case, since he doesn't have the power to fix the alleged infringement (the commons community may decide to remove them, but our community tends to be of the opinion that we shouldn't bow down to such legal threats, especially under non-US law). I don't know as much about UK copyright law as perhaps I should, given my choice of hobby and my location, but I would be surprised if there was enough creativity or work involved in taking a photograph of a painting for it to be independently copyrightable.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] TED Global 2009.
by Andrew Turvey 11 Jul '09

11 Jul '09

Interesting! July 21-24, invitation only. I notice the 2009 conference is sold out but the 2010 conference is booking now with tickets at an eye-watering $4,500. Does anyone know if they have fringe meetings we could get involved in? http://conferences.ted.com/TEDGlobal2010/register.php ----- "Gordon Joly" <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote: > From: "Gordon Joly" <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> > To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 10:15:58 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal > Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] TED Global 2009. > > > I notice that TED Global 2009 is in Oxford... > > http://conferences.ted.com/TEDGlobal2009/ > > Gordo > > -- > "Think Feynman"///////// > http://pobox.com/~gordo/ > gordon.joly(a)pobox.com/// > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >

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Speakers
by Andrew Turvey 10 Jul '09

10 Jul '09

A few opportunities are coming up for members who may be willing to speak on behalf of the chapter in lunchtime meetings, conferences etc or as interviewees. We will sometimes, but not always, be able to pay for travel and subsistence expenses. This is a great way of helping the chapter spread the word about the things we do and it also gives you good exposure in public speaking and raises your profile among media circles. If you are interested in volunteering for this, please could you email me the following details: - what experience you have in public speaking, if any - what experience you have with Wikimedia projects, including any roles such as administrator - what is your availability (location/times) - what kind of events you would like to help with - how you would like to be contacted I will be putting these details (minus the contact details) on the wiki at uk.wikimedia.org/Speakers - if you want it to be kept confidential please let me know and I will put it on board.wikimedia.org/Speakers instead. Alternatively please feel free to add yourself to the wiki directly. Regards, Andrew

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TED Global 2009.
by Gordon Joly 10 Jul '09

10 Jul '09

I notice that TED Global 2009 is in Oxford... http://conferences.ted.com/TEDGlobal2009/ Gordo -- "Think Feynman"///////// http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.joly(a)pobox.com///

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Tuesday's Board meeting
by Andrew Turvey 09 Jul '09

09 Jul '09

Hi all, Copied below is the minutes of the meeting we had last Tuesday which are also published on the wiki at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings/2009-07-07. Please let me know if you have any questions or corrections. The main topics of discussion were our initiatives and charity application: Initiatives The board decided to choose the following three initiatives as the ones we're committed to completing by March next year: 1) The Schools Project, led by our Volunteers Director, Paul Williams - see http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project 2) The London Loves Wikipedia project - see http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Loves_Wikipedia 3) The workplace learning lunches initiative at the BBC The Foundation grant previously announced on this list will fund the first two initiatives as well as a fourth initiative - engaging with museums and similar bodies to encourage them to release content under free licenses - which we aim to complete by July next year. Charity application Given that the grant from the Foundation pushes us over the £5,000 threshold, the Commission has advised us that we should submit our application to them within a reasonable time of receiving the donation, notwithstanding our previous correspondence with HMRC. We have therefore started work on this immediately. Regards, Andrew Turvey Secretary Wikimedia UK Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL, United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK Board meeting Tuesday 7th July 2009, 8:30pm BST at #wikimedia-uk-board Present: Michael Peel (MP) (Chair); Andrew Turvey (AT) (minutes); Joseph Seddon (JS); Paul Williams (PW) Apologies: Steve Virgin (SV); Tom Holden (TH); Zeyi He (ZH) for late arrival [ edit ] Minutes of the previous meetings The minutes of the meeting dated 23 June were approved. The following actions have been carried forward: 1. JS to send the tokens of our appreciation to the retiring Directors, tellers and external speakers. ACTION: JS 2. PW will arrange the production of business cards for Wikimedia UK officials. ACTION: PW 3. TD agreed to contact the gazette on behalf of WMUK to solicit a pro-bono lawyer ACTION: TD 4. The cost to attend the Online Information 2009 (1-3 Dec, London) conference is £400/day/person (£400 for the 3 days for registered charities). JS will confirm whether speakers have to pay this fee. In the event that speakers do have to pay the fee, SV will look into getting a slot in a fringe event instead. ACTION: JS; SV 5. AT to thank the pro-bono lawyer for his offer of help, explain the Board has decided to respond to HMRC ASAP; if this is not successful we may then seek legal advice so would be grateful for assistance then if it's still available and would they be prepared to advise us on the chapters agreement. ACTION: AT 6. AT to submit expenses AGM claim . ACTION: AT 7. PW agreed to finalise the design, contact interested members to see what cards they want and organise the printing. ACTION: PW 8. PW agreed to draft an email to the WMF formalising the agreement to use Wikimedia Foundation trademarks in members-only merchandising and to look into where we could produce merchandise. ACTION: PW [ edit ] Matters arising [ edit ] Press response templates It was agreed that the six scenarios identified at Media relations#Media response would be sufficient for now. MP agreed to draft these templates. ACTION: MP [ edit ] Pro bono lawyers It was decided that we would approach potential pro-bono lawyers once the chapter agreement and the charity application were at a stage where we needed specific advice, rather than seeking to engage a general "on-call" lawyer. [ edit ] .uk project domain names Board members were concerned that if the chapter owned domains like wikipedia.org.uk they could attract liability to the chapter for project content and make it subject to UK libel laws. However, it was acknowledged that it could be a good source of traffic and hence revenue if it is used to redirect to uk.wikimedia.org. It was agreed that MP would contact Wikimedia Deutschland to ask them how much revenue they get from their redirect from wikipedia.de and we will reconsider when this is known. ACTION: MP [ edit ] Reports [ edit ] Secretary's Report The report here was noted. AT informed that he had not heard anything back from HMRC and isn't sure if it will take another 8 weeks for our letter to be processed. JS volunteered to help Wikimedia Indonesia with their proofreading request - AT will put them in touch. ACTION: AT Done [ edit ] Treasurer's Report This was unavailable so it was agreed the next meeting would have a report to cover four weeks. [ edit ] Chair's Report The report here was noted. MP agreed to look into whether it would be possible to have a Wikimedia UK speaker at the Science Online London conference. [ edit ] Conferences Report The report here was noted. The Board discussed whether we could combine the planned Wikimedia UK 2010 Conference with the Open Knowledge Foundation's annual conference. JS will continue to investigate. [ edit ] Corporate Relations Report No report was available but SV has kept the Board informed through emails of his activities with the BBC, a survey on Wikipedia use and Richard Stirling at the government's "Digital Engagement Team" . MP agreed to ask SV for a report at the next meeting to cover four weeks. ACTION: MP [ edit ] Volunteers Report PW gave a verbal update on the work planned for the following week: 1. Chase up / finalise business card design and order 2. Develop membership drive further and begin "the push" 3. Develop and distribute the July newsletter MP and PW agreed to finalise the newsletter by Tuesday 14th July for distribution by the end of the following day. ACTION: PW, MP [ edit ] Charity Commission application Per the Secretary's Report above, AT has discussed the chapter's situation with the Charity Commission over the phone. Their advice is we should apply to them within a reasonable time of receiving the £5,000 donation. The application form contains some wordy sections - particularly Section C, explaining how our objectives and activities are carried out for the public benefit and Section D, working with vulnerable people (in our case, children). It was agreed that we will need to fill in section D, given our plans for the Schools project. PW agreed to draft section D, MP agreed to draft section C and AT agreed to draft the rest of the form. PW, MP and AT all agreed to have a draft ready for discussion for the next meeting. ACTION: PW, MP, AT ZH joined the meeting [ edit ] Initiatives As per the agreed timeline , the Board has agreed to adopt three initiatives by the 15th July for completion by March 2010. The Wikimedia Foundation grant will fund the School Project , London Loves Wikipedia and a content access project. If these three initiatives are not completed by 1 June 2010 then funds may have to be returned. It was agreed that the School Project would be adopted as the first initiative, with a target of doing at least 6 presentations by March 2010. It was agreed that PW would lead. PW agreed to develop a plan for this initiative on the wiki. ACTION: PW It was agreed that London Loves Wikipedia would be adopted as the second initiative. AT is able to support but not lead. MP will contact supporters to solicit people interested in participating, and will stand in as lead if no one else comes forward. ACTION: MP PW left the meeting It was agreed that the Workplace Learning Lunches initiative at the BBC would be tentatively adopted as the third objective, to be confirmed following discussions with Steve. Content access projects will be considered as a fourth initiative, which may not be completed before March 2010. As previously agreed, the commitment from the board to complete these three initiatives by March 2010 does not mean that the chapter should not pursue other initiatives as and when they arise. [ edit ] Next meeting It was agreed the next meeting would be on Tuesday 21st July, 8:30 pm (BST) in #wikimedia-uk-board. Topics of discussion will include progress on each of these three initiatives and the Charity application. --

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Fwd: Phorm opt-out for Wikimedia.org.uk
by Andrew Turvey 08 Jul '09

08 Jul '09

Please find forwarded below the opt out acknowledgment from Webwise. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "website-exclusion" <website-exclusion(a)phorm.com> To: "Andrew Turvey" <andrewrturvey(a)googlemail.com>, website-exclusion(a)webwise.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 10:14:42 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: Phorm opt-out for Wikimedia.org.uk Re: Phorm opt-out for Wikimedia.org.uk We acknowledge your request to opt-out of the forthcoming implementation of the OIX and Webwise system and want to let you know that at this stage our system is not operationally live. We expect to be operationally live later this year. The domains that you requested to be excluded were: .wikimedia.org.uk .wikimedia.co.uk - The Webwise Team On 7/7/09 18:24, "Andrew Turvey" <andrewrturvey(a)googlemail.com> wrote: Please also include the following domain: wikimedia.co.uk Regards, ----- "Andrew Turvey" <andrewrturvey(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > From: "Andrew Turvey" <andrewrturvey(a)googlemail.com> > To: website-exclusion(a)webwise.com > Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 17:40:37 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal > Subject: Phorm opt-out for Wikimedia.org.uk > > > To whom it may concern, > > Wikimedia UK requests that the following website, owned by us, and all related domains be excluded from scanning by the Phorm / BT Webwise system, as we consider the scanning and profiling of our visitors' bahaviour by a third party to be an infringement on their pirvacy: > > wikimedia.org.uk (including all subdomains) > > Thank you for your time, > > Andrew Turvey Secretary Wikimedia UK Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. > Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. > The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL, United Kingdom. > >

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Fwd: Phorm opt-out for Wikimedia.org.uk
by Andrew Turvey 07 Jul '09

07 Jul '09

You may remember that a few months ago, the Wikimedia Foundation decided to send an opt out message to Phorm regarding their user-profiling system. At the time we decided in principle to do the same for our domain - wikimedia.org.uk - but we delayed implementing this until the ownership had been transferred. Now that the transfer has been completed, we have sent our notice to Phorm, which is copied below. Please note that uk.wikimedia.org has already opted out as this is a subdomain of wikimedia.org, whcih is owned by the Foundation. Regards, ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Andrew Turvey" <andrewrturvey(a)googlemail.com> To: website-exclusion(a)webwise.com Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 17:40:37 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Phorm opt-out for Wikimedia.org.uk To whom it may concern, Wikimedia UK requests that the following website, owned by us, and all related domains be excluded from scanning by the Phorm / BT Webwise system, as we consider the scanning and profiling of our visitors' bahaviour by a third party to be an infringement on their pirvacy: wikimedia.org.uk (including all subdomains) Thank you for your time, Andrew Turvey Secretary Wikimedia UK Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL, United Kingdom.

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