jan-bart,
while i find the measures well thought out in most parts, i am missing
a clear separation of concerns.
the first concern are contributors of money. did we again forget them?
why a UK resident should be punished and not be able to give tax
exempted? i'd say the current proceeding clearly fails here.
the second concern are contributors of time, volunteers, editors,
photographers. did we forget them? was the reaction of WMUK and WMF
appropriate to retain editors? is it better to "allow and support a
career path like the one of roger". for this concern i honestly do not
know the answer. somebody Independent should have a look, and i hope
to get an answer in a couple of months, from WMUK and WMF.
the third concern is WMUK. somebody independent should have a look as
far as i understood. which seems acceptable. but is it necessary to
paralyze WMUK with this unnecessary discussion about payment
processing and measures which might be perceived overly strict and not
at all targeted to the source? may it be perceived that WMF or
somebody at WMF has a conflict of interest? i do not have a good
answer. i'd find it helpful to get an answer rather earlier than
later.
rupert
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede
<jdevreede(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi
Thank you Andrew, although I must confess that I thought that my English was
very good I apparently chose the wrong words. What I meant to convey was
"unusual" and unusual enough to warrant further review…
Jan-Bart
On 29 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Andrew Turvey <andrewrturvey(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
Hi Jan-Bart and others,
I would hope we can wait until we hear the results of the review before
jumping to the conclusion that what has gone on is "highly irregular" (which
incidentally, clearly is an accusation of wrong doing). There are certainly
allegations that have been made that are of serious concern but I would hope
people are able to wait to see the evidence and the report before assuming
they are well founded.
In the meantime, everyone involved is clearly going through a very difficult
time so I hope we are able to pull together, work through this and we can
come through a stronger chapter at the end.
Regards,
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede
<jdevreede(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi
It doesn't work like that, as I indicated there have been some (highly)
irregular activities in the past months (which is not the same as what you
state below). The timing is such that a decision on Payment Processing
(which is indeed not the same as fundraising or applying to the FDC, but is
actually quite separate) had to be made now. After what I know was a lot of
consultation both ways this is the conclusion that we arrived at.
Please don't read more into this than that. Its not a power grab and its
not an accusation of wrongdoing, its what we feel is the right thing to do
under the difficult circumstances.
(oh and payment processing is actually work, it does not get done
automatically)
Jan-Bart de Vreede
Wikimedia Board of Trustees
On 29 Sep 2012, at 19:07, Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info> wrote:
On 29/09/2012 16:28, Jan-bart de Vreede wrote:
Hi James (and others)
What I find puzzling in your reasoning is that you automatically assume
bad faith on the part of the WMF. At this point everyone should be
concerned about the fact that over the past months we have had several
(highly) irregular activities within the UK chapter. It is important
that we (as in the movement) conduct a thorough review to see what the
complete facts are so that we can make sure that we can learn from this
and draw proper conclusions.
Woah, hold it right there Jan-bart. What *I* find puzzling is how you
(personally and WMF in general) assumes that Wikimedia UK has done wrong
before this supposedly independent review has started never mind been
completed.
KTC
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