Hi Jan-Bart,
Don't worry, I understand, "irregular" is often used as a euphemism for
improper but I guess that's something that a non-native speaker may not
necessarily be aware of.
At the same time I should have said I think the Foundation's actions are
understandable and reasonable in the circumstances, even if they are very
disappointing. These are serious allegations after all.
Regards,
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevreede(a)wikimedia.org
wrote:
> Hi
>
> Thank you Andrew, although I must confess that I thought that my English
> was very good I apparently chose the wrong words. What I meant to convey
> was "unusual" and unusual enough to warrant further review…
>
> Jan-Bart
>
>
> On 29 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Andrew Turvey <andrewrturvey(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi Jan-Bart and others,
>
> I would hope we can wait until we hear the results of the review before
> jumping to the conclusion that what has gone on is "highly irregular"
> (which incidentally, clearly *is *an accusation of wrong doing). There
> are certainly allegations that have been made that are of serious concern
> but I would hope people are able to wait to see the evidence and the report
> before assuming they are well founded.
>
> In the meantime, everyone involved is clearly going through a very
> difficult time so I hope we are able to pull together, work through this
> and we can come through a stronger chapter at the end.
>
> Regards,
>
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede <
> jdevreede(a)wikimedia.org
wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> It doesn't work like that, as I indicated there have been some (highly)
>> irregular activities in the past months (which is not the same as what you
>> state below). The timing is such that a decision on Payment Processing
>> (which is indeed not the same as fundraising or applying to the FDC, but is
>> actually quite separate) had to be made now. After what I know was a lot of
>> consultation both ways this is the conclusion that we arrived at.
>>
>> Please don't read more into this than that. Its not a power grab and its
>> not an accusation of wrongdoing, its what we feel is the right thing to do
>> under the difficult circumstances.
>>
>> (oh and payment processing is actually work, it does not get done
>> automatically)
>>
>> Jan-Bart de Vreede
>> Wikimedia Board of Trustees
>>
>>
>> On 29 Sep 2012, at 19:07, Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info
wrote:
>>
>> > On 29/09/2012 16:28, Jan-bart de Vreede wrote:
>> >> Hi James (and others)
>> >>
>> >> What I find puzzling in your reasoning is that you automatically assume
>> >> bad faith on the part of the WMF. At this point everyone should be
>> >> concerned about the fact that over the past months we have had several
>> >> (highly) irregular activities within the UK chapter. It is important
>> >> that we (as in the movement) conduct a thorough review to see what the
>> >> complete facts are so that we can make sure that we can learn from this
>> >> and draw proper conclusions.
>> >
>> > Woah, hold it right there Jan-bart. What *I* find puzzling is how you
>> (personally and WMF in general) assumes that Wikimedia UK has done wrong
>> before this supposedly independent review has started never mind been
>> completed.
>> >
>> > KTC
>> >
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