I'm still not offering an opinion, merely playing devil's advocate, but it is
possible that the WMF stripped WMUK of its fundraising rights (note fund*raising*, which
is not quite the same thing as being trusted with funds) because they felt that donors
might not want to donate to an organisation that has been subject to two unfortunately
timed controversies which many people feel (and I make no comment on the legitimacy or
otherwise of the sentiment) that the chapter has not handled well.
Not being privy to the thoughts of WMF/WMUK representatives nor to the discussions that
took place around this, I don't know any more details than are contained in the blog
post, but (and I'm no real fan of the WMF) I suspect the issue is a little more
complicated than a "power grab".
Harry Mitchell
http://enwp.org/User:HJ
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Skype: harry_j_mitchell
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From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2012, 17:20
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation
Jan-Bart,
The problems at Wikimedia UK, while certainly very concerning, haven't involved any
misuse of funds, so it is very disappointing that the WMF has used this as an excuse to
stop Wikimedia UK taking part in the fundraiser. This decision will cost the movement a
lot in wasted time and money spent preparing for this fundraiser and in lost donations and
gift-aid.
You could have waited for the independent report before making any decisions, since there
is no reason to believe Wikimedia UK can't be trusted with funds (and their
eligibility for the FDC hasn't been revoked, so clearly the WMF does trust them with
funds).
On Sep 29, 2012 5:09 PM, "Jan-bart de Vreede" <jdevreede(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Hi David,
I do assume that people have been following the payment processing discussion but I also
assumed that they would find these developments important enough to see that there is no
way we can just move on from this point.
I repeat my statement which I made at Wikimania: I am very happy that the chapters are
moving towards a Chapters Association which will hopefully play a very constructive role
in situations like this. I am disappointed that the Association isn't farther along
the road because that could have been very helpful at this point. The chapters are an
essential part of the movement and if the foundation is forced into this kind of
relationship with chapters all the time it will keep us achieving our goals and working
together constructively.
Jan-Bart de Vreede
On 29 sep. 2012, at 17:57, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 29 September 2012 16:28, Jan-bart de Vreede
<jdevreede(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
What I find puzzling in your reasoning is that
you automatically assume bad
faith on the part of the WMF.
I find it puzzling that you assume that people aren't generally aware
of the long and acrimonous discussions of payment processing over the
past year, and quite surprised that you are puzzled that people put
this in the context of that.
- d.
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