Re: [Wikimediauk-l] PR industry blames 'cumbersome' Wikipedia

-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk On Nov 15, 2012 11:40 AM, "Stevie Benton" stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: > Do you think that's a bad thing Andy? > > On 15 November 2012 11:36, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: > >> Thanks for the additional info; I'm familiar with the history. My >> point is that - for whatever reason - the CIPR guidelines are stricter >> than Wikipedia's own, and we need to be mindful of that. >> >> On 15 November 2012 10:58, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk >> wrote: >> > Thanks for your email Andy. I've already requested they correct that >> error. >> > >> > With regards to your point about COI editing - the guidelines the CIPR >> refer >> > to were developed with WMUK, some Wikipedians and some people from CIPR >> and >> > PRCA. The development took place on the WMUK Wiki and was widely shared >> and >> > people were encouraged to participate. >> > >> > Regardless of whether there is a total prohibition on editing article >> spaces >> > directly in EN:WP policy, we have seen (many, many times) that when PR >> > professionals directly edit article space bad things happen. Even if >> edits >> > are benign and factual, if it comes to light that they were made >> directly by >> > PRs acting on behalf of a client, nobody wins and a COI is automatically >> > assumed by many. It's not good for trust in Wikipedia, it's not good >> for the >> > PR industry and it's not good for their clients. >> > >> > If you'd like some more background on the development of the guidance, a >> > good place to start is at >> > http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Draft_best_practice_guidelines_for_PR >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Stevie >> > >> > >> > >> > On 15 November 2012 10:51, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 15 November 2012 10:09, Stevie Benton < >> stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > PR Week have published another story on this - >> >> > >> http://www.prweek.com/uk/news/1159715/wikipedia-defends-editing-processes-fo... >> >> >> >> They have you as "Wikipedia [with a "p"] UK comms organiser". is >> >> suspect we may never win that battle. >> >> >> >> I note that it is claimed (and I don't doubt) that the "CIPR [...] >> >> guidance for PROs [is that] they should not directly edit Wikipedia >> >> pages relating to their organisation or a client". I should like >> >> people to be mindful that that's not what en.Wikipedia's CoI guidance >> >> says; there has never been consensus for a total prohibition (though I >> >> acknowledge that some feel strongly that there should be). >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Andy Mabbett >> >> @pigsonthewing >> >> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> >> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >> >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Stevie Benton >> > Communications Organiser >> > Wikimedia UK >> > +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 >> > @StevieBenton >> > >> > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and >> > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered >> > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A >> 4LT. >> > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia >> > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation >> (who >> > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). >> > >> > Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control >> over >> > Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia UK mailing list >> > wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Andy Mabbett >> @pigsonthewing >> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> > > > > -- > > Stevie Benton > Communications Organiser > Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 > @StevieBenton > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. 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